Question:
Is sheet music that has never been played "real music"? Or is it merely "conceptual music"?
Is sheet music that has never been played "real music"? Or is it merely "conceptual music"?
'[Insert genre I don't like] isn't real music'!
- Thread starter Froggy Slayer
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Different strokes for different blokes?
now if the argument is quality, then yes, that has taken a major downturn, but preference does not always follow logic and science.
now if the argument is quality, then yes, that has taken a major downturn, but preference does not always follow logic and science.
Oh, fuck, I remember that thread. There was a guy in it who tried to claim that using Music 2000 on the PS1 was the same as using a professional DAW.Vault101 said:
Everything from Field Recordings to Drone is music, any form of noise arranged in a pattern is music, Merzbow writes music. Sunn O))) writes music. Skrillex writes music. People who don't understand this should not be in any form for intellectual conversation about music.
Beck released an album in the mid-90's I think that was just sheet music, so yeah it counts. Music is an art form, and sheet music is a way of expressing that art form.Trollhoffer said:
'It's just noise! You know, noise, organised into a specific arrangement to create what we call music! But it's just noise!' Yeah, this argument really annoys me too. Just because it's not what you're used to/what you enjoy doesn't mean you get to narrow the definition of music so that it isn't included.
Jesus, for a guy that has studied music he sure as hell knows nothing at all about it. The entire concepts of music were destroyed before electronic music even existed properly, listen to this:Vault101 said:
Made with actual instruments, instruments playing in different tempos, instruments in different keys playing at the same time, is nowhere near as tuneful as the majority of electronic music but is it music? Yes of course it's goddamn music?! You may not like it but it is music, that guy was a class A pleb and I'm glad you didn't stand for him spewing bullshit.
It's...!Froggy Slayer said:
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People having strong opinions! So strong that they forget that music is art. Now, what's the definition of art? :-D
I'll admit that certain artists push "music" into some strange directions (Merzbow, Sunn 0))), John Zorn, Captain Beefheart, etc.) but no matter how unpleasant sounding or discordant they get, they're still music. Taste does not dictate what is or is not music in a general sense.
I have no idea why so many people crawl out of the woodwork with the OP's statements though. I guess it's just "Hey, we both don't like the same thing! Lets commiserate and whine about it!"
I have no idea why so many people crawl out of the woodwork with the OP's statements though. I guess it's just "Hey, we both don't like the same thing! Lets commiserate and whine about it!"
They may take our logical arguments, but they will never take our NO TRUE SCOTSMAN FALLACY!
When people don't like something they some times try to belittle it. Claiming its not 'real' is one way of belittling it without actually having to find any fault with it.
When people don't like something they some times try to belittle it. Claiming its not 'real' is one way of belittling it without actually having to find any fault with it.
Because people are idiots. It especially pisses me off regarding dubstep cos generally the people who attack it do so based on them not knowing or researching even the basics of the genre and just go off what they think they know of it in passing.
Have you heard Burial yet? With dubstep, everyone always falls back on BurialTuesday Night Fever said:
I'm curious, what part or parts of dubstep do you listen to? Cos it's pretty varied.Vault101 said:
I tend to go by a quality standard for wether something is music or not, and dont actually set the bar that high.
Anyone who's heard me depress piano keys in an attempt to play a classical piece on it would say it wasn't music.
For many genres however theres an issue as they often require a more tuned ear to tell a bad example technically from a good example. I know very few people, even among the subeset of friends who hate it that can't tell awful classical from great classical. Conversely even among those who like heavy metal have a harder time distinguishing bad from good, and apart from a select few exceptionally musical people those who dont like it cant at all.
Note likeing something is not the same as thinking its any good. In the film world the classic is Judge Dredd, I know a large number of people who enjoy watching the movie, but no-one who thinks its a good movie. Many people however have a difficulty distinguishing the difference between liking something and whats actually a good example, and even those with some talent get it wrong.
Anyone who's heard me depress piano keys in an attempt to play a classical piece on it would say it wasn't music.
For many genres however theres an issue as they often require a more tuned ear to tell a bad example technically from a good example. I know very few people, even among the subeset of friends who hate it that can't tell awful classical from great classical. Conversely even among those who like heavy metal have a harder time distinguishing bad from good, and apart from a select few exceptionally musical people those who dont like it cant at all.
Note likeing something is not the same as thinking its any good. In the film world the classic is Judge Dredd, I know a large number of people who enjoy watching the movie, but no-one who thinks its a good movie. Many people however have a difficulty distinguishing the difference between liking something and whats actually a good example, and even those with some talent get it wrong.