Inside the Sick Mind of a School Shooter Mod

[Catalyst6]

I first started reading the interview because I thought that he was using the game to make a statement about the industry, one that challenged the idea of a "evil game" or the controversy surrounding it.

No, no, he's just a rat bastard.

In other games we shoot people because they are a threat to us, it's self-defense. Maybe not in GTA, but in general. In this game they are innocent people, and you are a nameless psychopath. There's no statement, no purpose. This isn't art. It's just the sick pornography of someone's mind.

As for the media, yes, he's correct in that aspect. The media does make a bigger deal out of the games than they should. However, this isn't going to help anything; it's just setting us back as a medium. Oh, and the note about how he was more disgusted at the media's coverage of real shootings than the shootings themselves? That's disgusting.

I hope this mod gets buried. I know it won't, the news will pick this up and he'll get his undeserved fifteen minutes of fame, and gaming will be set back again.

 

[Bigsmith]

You see, I'm on the fence here. This mod is based off of some horrible stuff, but, then again, could the option to do it virtually cut down on the amount of times this happens?

(pretty much what I said about the Jap rape games)

 

[Dr_Steve_Brule]

I don't have the time or the resources to write a book about how all of you knee-jerk "reactionists" are wrong. Don't like it? Don't play it, don't even talk about it.

I fucking hate this argument.
This argument, the "don't like don't talk" one is probably the dumbest argument in the world.
So what, should I just sit aside and NOT voice my opinion about how cruel and unfitting this game is?
Where would society be right now if it weren't for criticism?
It really makes no sense to demand somebody who just watched something NOT to say anything bad about it and to DEMMAND that they close the window and say nothing about it all.
HOW IS THAT EVEN SUPPOSED TO WORK IN THE FIRST PLACE? Comments in the end aren?t there only to spew positive comments to whatever article/video/game there is since luckily for us, we?re not trapped in a world where everybody has the same taste. To demand not to say ANYTHING bad to ANYBODY is a human impossibility to the nth degree.

 

[Zef Otter]

Kill one million people, its ok.

Kill one kid then, YOU CROSS THE LINE!!!!!!!!!

I find that mindset funny.

 

[Bassman_2]

This is not just his fault. Though.
Imagine all the people who've played and support the game and the articles on the internet discussing it (no bad publicity, right?); if he had uploaded it into the internet and nobody bothered to try it out and give much attention, this wouldn't be a problem for us.

But because we like to feed trolls, we will result in feeding the media and anti-game critics.

 

[Joshic Shin]

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Free speech and free expression doesn't mean I can use it as it suits me, it means free speech, fairly, to everyone.

So yeah, so long as it isn't actually illegal, its fine. Some people like to murder people in games, some people like loli. Its not like they're actually going out and doing it is it?

Stop, stop right there. You aren't thinking this through.

Free speech is not universal in all regards. For instance, you can not go an yell fire into a theater. Why not? Because it harms the public good.

You can not go up to someone and say, "I will kill you." That is called a threat, even though you have free speech.

You can not go up and use hateful speech, that is called a hate crime.

There are numerous examples, but let me just give you the short version of this argument. Many of us on here calling for this game to not be made are not calling for government action. We are asking the developer to stop, think about what he is doing critically, and realize that his game will only hurt people and serve no artistic purpose. In fact, what he is doing could easily fall under obscenity laws. That is, one can not put out into the public sphere things of an obscene nature.

In other words, it if serves no artistic, scientific, or other noble purpose and is against public morals then it will be banned. It is tricky to define, and this game would not easily fit it. One could make an argument saying it is artistic in some way, but the developer said that it isn't. He flat out said he is making it just to kill children.

Why is that better than the previous analogy of making a game just to rape children to get points?

I'm sorry for attacking you so much by the way, but you are the only consistent poster on here arguing for the game, so I'm trying to wrap my mind around why you would not just defend his right but be for him making the game. I can understand defending his right, but not making the game.

 

[felixader]

Hey Annonymous, we could need you rigth here rigth now, please?

 

[Giuglea]

Although I hate society and all..this game is just stupid..it goes against all the things the guys from Extra Credits fight for..with stuff like this and EA marketing, the gaming industry will never be seen as a respectable media..or games as a form of art for that matter..if it were to be a movie about this..it would be just fine..it would be a bad movie but nobody will give a crap about it..in my opinion its time to stand our ground as a community and demand a better quality from our games..a new level of refinement..we need to make it clear to checkborarded studios that we don`t want their "game"(piece of *^*^$#^%##^)and tell them to go and read a good book..but reading a good book isn`t enough,now is it?after reading a good book Dante`s inferno came out..as a flaming bag of poop on cultures door step.i`d better stop my rant here before i start a crusade against bad games...i mean bad developers..its not the games fault its retarded..it is the makers fault..but we as a community should have the power to influence the future of the community,because its as they say..the customer is always right..as 3dog said fight the good fight guys..make the gaming world a better place..


P.S. can i get a show on the escapist and talk about things i hate..much love to u fellow escapists

 

[Silva]

There is a point where free speech becomes a ludicrous suggestion and this is it. Yeah, I support free speech - to a degree. But I think it's a display of die hard extremism to say that under free speech we should allow people to run simulations of killing children.

It's not so much that this game will incite or "inspire" someone to directly go out and shoot people. It's that it might desensitise people to hurting innocents in various lesser ways. Yes, GTA has had this problem too, but since you could at least avoid it by choice and it was not really the focus of the game, that made it at least a little bit excusable. Making killing innocents the point of the game from the ground up - by choice - is just sick.

The developer himself showed a great degree of desensitisation and a lack of human empathy for victims in disasters merely because they did not happen in front of him, or because they did not happen to him. That selfishness in itself should condemn anything that he produces in the eyes of a consumer with the intent to encourage good deeds with their investments. And even if it didn't, it proves that gamers have been desensitised. Yeah, it's fine in the short term. But if everyone's a gamer, how will such a subtle effect, spread over the entire population, effect society? I don't see it helping crime rates, particularly regarding the abuse of women and children.

Yes, an unhinged person "might" play the game then go shoot someone... But here's the thing. The first part, "being played by an unhinged person", is not actually a "might" at all now, is it? Because games are so popular by now, developers really should consider and understand that some people in their audience, statistically speaking, will be unhinged, whether it's made worse by drugs, alcohol, mental illness or all three. Creating games from the ground up to enjoy the killing of minors is an irresponsible use of the audience one is given and deserves condemnation by anyone who respects peace. After all, if we're less effected by war, we're more likely to enjoy it, and more likely to seek it out. None of these circumstances will benefit anyone except the developer.

I think that this game goes too far and should be banned. Everywhere. Considering its content, in many places it will be illegal to commercialise it anyway. And for once, I'm very glad that a game would be if it went so far. This isn't just some playful attempt at offending people - it is a sick minded grab for attention with no human compassion involved in its execution.

 

[Sakurazaki1023]

I would say something about this guy, but I'm pretty sure that will get me suspended.

And I would say something about people defending him, but I don't want to pick fights.

All I have to say is:

I think the media tried to cover it in a way that made the events more dramatic than they actually were. Even in my younger age, I saw right through most of it. The way the news victimized the victims and overplayed the evil of the shooters disgusted me more than the actual shootings themselves.

That's a horrible point of view to take. Utterly sickening.

That quote was the point where I realized that the guy was irredeemable. Of course you victimize victims, this isn't like that news story a while back were a kid got shot while trying to mug someone and then got labeled the victim. He wasn't the victim, he instigated the confrontation and got exactly what was coming to him.

A person who was innocently living their life when they are shot by a random kid with anger management issues is a victim. As a "survivor" of school bullying, I can sympathize with the shooter's anger toward their tormentors. However, going on a shooting spree and killing a bunch of innocent people is not how anyone should deal with their problems, especially something as inherently temporary as bullying. Anyone who could derive pleasure from the slaughter of (real) innocent people is a complete monster and deserves no sympathy.

As far as the game is concerned, I think it's insipidly distasteful and pointlessly inflammatory. I support free speech, but some things just shouldn't be done. The thing that I don't like about free speech is that many people use it as an excuse to do or say anything they want. As Moviebob touched upon in his last Big Picture, just because you have the freedom to say anything you want doesn't mean you should. There's such a thing as personal respect and tact (along with common sense). Yes, you could recreate 9/11 in the form of a comedy puppet show that's laced with pro extremism sentiment and show it to relatives of the victims, but that would be in horribly bad taste. People need to know the difference between free speech and smart speech. Respect other people, and try to be empathetic to your fellow man and try not to be a dick for no reason. The true monsters are those people who are completely incapable of feeling empathy for others.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

I'll play it, probably enjoy it as well.

EDIT: Saw a gameplay video. A resounding meh. Unless you can capture the drama and the horror (it does give you that sick feeling watching it) your basically just shooting unarmed civilians.

Also how is this any different then Saint Row or GTA? Just cause it's a school? Meh. The new Twisted Metal is going to let you rampage through one.

 

[Dr_Steve_Brule]

Kill one million people, its ok.

Kill one kid then, YOU CROSS THE LINE!!!!!!!!!

I find that mindset funny.

Context.
A child can't do anything to you.
A million people can. Especially if they're armed.

 

[Voodoomancer]

This needs to Not exist, stat.

This and email threats are why no-one takes gamers seriously.

 

[Joshic Shin]

Kill one million people, its ok.

Kill one kid then, YOU CROSS THE LINE!!!!!!!!!

I find that mindset funny.

If only Hitler had only avoided killing the kids...silly Nazis.

Oh, wait, you meant games? OK...yeah, I suppose killing a million...wait, in what game did you kill a million unarmed fleeing people? Because this is a game with that, but they are children. So, yeah...what?

 

[Silversheath]

I am all for the the ability of designers to create whatever game they want. No matter how sensitive the subject matter is.

That being said, I question whether this is actually competent design. Mindless shooting tends to work best when there is some challenge to be overcome (the cops in GTA for example, because apparently every violent game must be compared to GTA by law). Without the thrill of overcoming a challenge, the beginning of the game will grow tedious, unless one is truly sadistic enough to enjoy the experience. The rest of the scenario when you are to fight off the swat teams will be just a dry knock off of other survival mods. So if its not innovative enough to be fun, and it isn't using the subject matter to be artful or educational, what's the bloody point?

 

[Dogstile]

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Free speech and free expression doesn't mean I can use it as it suits me, it means free speech, fairly, to everyone.

So yeah, so long as it isn't actually illegal, its fine. Some people like to murder people in games, some people like loli. Its not like they're actually going out and doing it is it?

Stop, stop right there. You aren't thinking this through.

Free speech is not universal in all regards. For instance, you can not go an yell fire into a theater. Why not? Because it harms the public good.

You can not go up to someone and say, "I will kill you." That is called a threat, even though you have free speech.

You can not go up and use hateful speech, that is called a hate crime.

There are numerous examples, but let me just give you the short version of this argument. Many of us on here calling for this game to not be made are not calling for government action. We are asking the developer to stop, think about what he is doing critically, and realize that his game will only hurt people and serve no artistic purpose. In fact, what he is doing could easily fall under obscenity laws. That is, one can not put out into the public sphere things of an obscene nature.

In other words, it if serves no artistic, scientific, or other noble purpose and is against public morals then it will be banned. It is tricky to define, and this game would not easily fit it. One could make an argument saying it is artistic in some way, but the developer said that it isn't. He flat out said he is making it just to kill children.

Why is that better than the previous analogy of making a game just to rape children to get points?

I'm sorry for attacking you so much by the way, but you are the only consistent poster on here arguing for the game, so I'm trying to wrap my mind around why you would not just defend his right but be for him making the game. I can understand defending his right, but not making the game.

Because this doesn't come under hate speech. It doesn't come under any sort of scrutiny other than the fact it might offend people and it doesn't serve an artistic purpose.

That is no reason for us to tell him he shouldn't make it. I understand he wants to make it to shock and make people go "oh my god, why would someone do that" but people using modern art can make entire /careers/ off the exact same thing.

I'm all for games are art, so I support his right to make it, until he breaks any laws, or pushes it in the face of people who don't want to see it. Simple as that really.

And its fine. I enjoy a good debate and you're actually making me think. That's quite rare, and its actually making my night rather fun. Thank you

 

[Zef Otter]

Kill one million people, its ok.

Kill one kid then, YOU CROSS THE LINE!!!!!!!!!

I find that mindset funny.

Context.
A child can't do anything to you.
A million people can. Especially if they're armed.

Point still stands.

The Kicker? They are pretend, not real.

Also stop thinking kids are defenseless, they can be killers too.

 

[icame]

Anon, pleas DDOS the hell out of this sick, disgusting person.

 

[Bouchie Bouch]

Anon, pleas DDOS the hell out of this sick, disgusting person.

Sorry pal but Anon would actually defend his right to make such an offensive mod