And how is this any different from shooting a bunch of civilians on GTA before the cops get you?
Inside the Sick Mind of a School Shooter Mod
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There's a fine line between making good, moral points about a topic like this and just trying to offend as many people as possible.
This crosses over into the second category.
This is another one of those things, kinda like those muslims wanting to build their church (or whatever their place of worship is called, I can't remember what it was) near the site of 9/11. Do you have the right to do this? Absolutely. Is it the right thing to do? No.
Also, why would you do this if you obviously enjoy games? Your mod would only put it in worse light.
I've never really liked games where you kill innocent people for fun. I know it's just pixels, but it still feels wrong. Maybe that means I have a bit too big a heart? I don't know.
This crosses over into the second category.
This is another one of those things, kinda like those muslims wanting to build their church (or whatever their place of worship is called, I can't remember what it was) near the site of 9/11. Do you have the right to do this? Absolutely. Is it the right thing to do? No.
Also, why would you do this if you obviously enjoy games? Your mod would only put it in worse light.
I've never really liked games where you kill innocent people for fun. I know it's just pixels, but it still feels wrong. Maybe that means I have a bit too big a heart? I don't know.
What the hell? this i just sick and wrong! I dont see how he can justify it by comparing it to bulletstorm. that game is designed be as far away from reality as possible, to not be taken seriously and the enemies are clear threats. this is just the embodiment of EVERYTHING that the media has inacurately blamed games of doing and it will set back the image change the industry is going through.
plus can anyone imagine the shitstorm if fox news hears about this?
plus can anyone imagine the shitstorm if fox news hears about this?
and has gta ever been based on actual tragedies that have occurred in resent history? I've havent played much of the gta series but i can still see that the rampages were completely unrealistic and you werent at any point instructed to "go kill as many unarmed civilians as possible". Plus this is a direct middle finger to all the relatives of those who have died in incidents like this.GenericAmerican said:
What you don't think people get gunned down on the streets every day? Have fun living your sheltered life, join us in reality whenever you are ready.uguito-93 said:
Please refer here:
ouch111 said:
Dude im not defending those games, the point i was trying to make was that they have never made something DIRECTLY based on events like these. if rockstar had been the one making this mod i doubt that it would get any support from anyone besides the complete idiots.Hells High said:
P.S. Have you ever lived in a third world country? Dont assume that everyone who comments here has lived a sheltered existence.
"The way the news... overplayed the evil of the shooters disgusted me more than the shootings themselves".
Ah, moral subjectivism: Also known as "I'm too stupid to form an opinion, so I don't, and I think that makes me smarter than everyone else."
These people are trolls. Don't feed them, please.
Ah, moral subjectivism: Also known as "I'm too stupid to form an opinion, so I don't, and I think that makes me smarter than everyone else."
These people are trolls. Don't feed them, please.
Could the same not be said about a WWII game? Or even a modern game like the new Medal of Honor? What about the new Call of Juarez game where you run around modern day Mexico shooting up the place in a drug war?uguito-93 said:
Theres nowhere in here I'm directly defending the game, I'm simply challenging people to come up with a more effective argument than "Omg horrible twisted how could someone be this sick."
This is wrong on so many levels. There is no irony, message, or even weight to the actions by the player in this mod. You are awarded points for attacking unarmed innocent people, then you are given the option to kill yourself, to absolve the player of any wrong doing after the fact, like being tried and incarcerated, and are allowed to continue.
This isn't some dumb consequence of gameplay like in GTA, where everyone in the universe is messed up. There is no weight to the carnage like with MW2's No Russian where it makes the enemy all the more satisfying to defeat. There is NOTHING to gain from this mod than a sick thrill. Games aren't all just murder simulators. We can all name at least two games where violence isn't vital to core gameplay, and even if there was, there's reason behind it.
Even among mods I've played, this is pathetic and sad. Dear Esther has nothing in it but exploration and manages to invoke tears, Dissolution is, at best, someone's personal image of what System Shock would have been if it didn't exist, the Radiator series tackles relationship issues in an interactive form. Even Tedium is a parody/pastiche of the soul crushing monotony of daily life. You want to know what all of these mods have in common? Human basis!! We've all come across uncertainty, monotony or snags with a significant other. This is just you as a player, gunning down innocent people for no reason other than you can. In other words, you're not role playing a psychopath in a thrill ride of a game, you're just being psychotic! This has no reason to be made other than to push this industry back twenty years or just to cripple it as a whole. That Supreme Court Case is still going through you know, and like it or not, it will change things in the industry forever. This should not be supported and to everyone who does, shut your idiot holes and come back when you've matured a little.
This isn't some dumb consequence of gameplay like in GTA, where everyone in the universe is messed up. There is no weight to the carnage like with MW2's No Russian where it makes the enemy all the more satisfying to defeat. There is NOTHING to gain from this mod than a sick thrill. Games aren't all just murder simulators. We can all name at least two games where violence isn't vital to core gameplay, and even if there was, there's reason behind it.
Even among mods I've played, this is pathetic and sad. Dear Esther has nothing in it but exploration and manages to invoke tears, Dissolution is, at best, someone's personal image of what System Shock would have been if it didn't exist, the Radiator series tackles relationship issues in an interactive form. Even Tedium is a parody/pastiche of the soul crushing monotony of daily life. You want to know what all of these mods have in common? Human basis!! We've all come across uncertainty, monotony or snags with a significant other. This is just you as a player, gunning down innocent people for no reason other than you can. In other words, you're not role playing a psychopath in a thrill ride of a game, you're just being psychotic! This has no reason to be made other than to push this industry back twenty years or just to cripple it as a whole. That Supreme Court Case is still going through you know, and like it or not, it will change things in the industry forever. This should not be supported and to everyone who does, shut your idiot holes and come back when you've matured a little.
My, my. This sure kicked up a beehive. Or a few hundred of them.
I'm really watching this with interest. Everything about it is interesting, actually. Except for the reactions, we all kind of expected those.
It's not often you find someone who makes a game like this and actually sticks to it. I'm kind of proud of this dev, it's not easy to keep your eyes clear when everyone is throwing shit in your face.
Good job, dev. Keep up the good controversy. This country needs to think sometimes, and realize that not everyone has the same morals. For example, I plan to try this out. I also plan to get rapelay at some point in the future. Why? because I want experiences. I want to experience what I normally can't.
And for all those saying that school shooters are evil, yes, they are. A bit. Mostly what they are is sad little people who decided to show that they exist in other ways than they are percieved, and that their existance means something, whether it's good or not.
*Up flame shield*
I'm really watching this with interest. Everything about it is interesting, actually. Except for the reactions, we all kind of expected those.
It's not often you find someone who makes a game like this and actually sticks to it. I'm kind of proud of this dev, it's not easy to keep your eyes clear when everyone is throwing shit in your face.
Good job, dev. Keep up the good controversy. This country needs to think sometimes, and realize that not everyone has the same morals. For example, I plan to try this out. I also plan to get rapelay at some point in the future. Why? because I want experiences. I want to experience what I normally can't.
And for all those saying that school shooters are evil, yes, they are. A bit. Mostly what they are is sad little people who decided to show that they exist in other ways than they are percieved, and that their existance means something, whether it's good or not.
*Up flame shield*
It's not about whether or not you agree with it. It's about supporting freedom of speech/expression/etc in all cases, not just those we like. It's not that much of a stretch to think that eventually you'd find yourself in a situation where you're doing something someone else finds equally offensive and asinine. Then you'd be crying a rather different tune. It's fairly simple, either everything is permissible, or nothing is. Any middle ground is nothing more than hypocrisy.witness51 said:
Personally, I find the whole premise repugnant, and I'm certainly never going to touch it. It's a stupid game built on a worse concept, but that should not interfere with the guy's ability to create or distribute it.
I´m not exactly sure why you felt the need to quote my post.Agayek said:
I do not hate the guy and never said I did. And I CERTAINLY do not want to stop the production of games like this (quite the opposite, as I said at the end of my post).
I said that he seems unable to see ANYTHING wrong with it. Or at least consider that there might be something wrong. For example he seems unable to at least understand and give lipservice to the fact, that some people might be legitimatly horrified by the game and not just "unable to relate to the premise personally".
But anyway.
Your opinion is that he has the right to develop such a game, distribute it and not get in any way threatened or punished for it ? That´s great, because I agree. I just wish he would go about the buisness with a bit more thought. But that´s just my opinion, which I am however free to state in any form I desire.
A short note at the end:
I should maybe add that I do NOT agree with the notion that "the only valid way to display displeasure with a product is not buying it.". I think voicing your opinion that a given product is harmful or at least illconcieved and then trying to convice other people through rational argument of your position, is also a valid way.
But discussing that does defnitly not lie within the remit of this thread. (Maybe we should make a new one for that some time. Might certainly be interesting)
**GROOOOOOOOOAN**
it's crap like this that enforces the stereotype that video games are murder simulators. Because this one actually is a murder simulator. it's ridiculous, this is just feeding the fires of politicians who games to be hyper regulated.
it's crap like this that enforces the stereotype that video games are murder simulators. Because this one actually is a murder simulator. it's ridiculous, this is just feeding the fires of politicians who games to be hyper regulated.