Inside the Sick Mind of a School Shooter Mod

[Erja_Perttu]

Seriously? Inside the "sick" mind of a school shooter mod? I'm guessing you're slightly biased against this guy.

I agree with most of his points. Not about why he wanted to make it, because that's just silly, but his answers to your questions. I mean, it was hilarious that people were going on about how they wanted to kill Jack Thompson and its brilliant that he sticks by his idea of what a game should be. He wants the game to be a mindless shooting game that's rude and offensive and where you kill people, and do you know what?

That is absolutely fine

More power to him. At least he's sticking by his ideals as a person, and these ideals aren't truly hurting anyone. The man gets a respect five from me.

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As a point of interest. I wonder how many of you would mind so much if it was shooting monsters for points before the big bad boss monsters killed you?

And as pointed out below, I wonder how many of you were ok with Call of Juarez but not ok with this?

I agree to a point that the game this guy has made is fine, it's up to the person who plays it to judge it, but your point about comparisons to other games is moot. In those games the NPCs fight back, whereas it's specifically stated the 'innocent' students your shooting at can't defend themselves against you. The swat teams are another story entirely, but you don't start off shooting them.

Considering there's a game that lets you play as a jihadist, it's not hugely shocking someone would make a game like this at some point. I will freely exercise my right to not play it.

 

[Dogstile]

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A fair point, my humble apologies sir.

Seriously? Inside the "sick" mind of a school shooter mod? I'm guessing you're slightly biased against this guy.

I agree with most of his points. Not about why he wanted to make it, because that's just silly, but his answers to your questions. I mean, it was hilarious that people were going on about how they wanted to kill Jack Thompson and its brilliant that he sticks by his idea of what a game should be. He wants the game to be a mindless shooting game that's rude and offensive and where you kill people, and do you know what?

That is absolutely fine

More power to him. At least he's sticking by his ideals as a person, and these ideals aren't truly hurting anyone. The man gets a respect five from me.

Tito's not the only one on the staff who is biased against this guy. While I promote this mod creator's freedom of expression, some of his justifications are questionable. I can honestly see some of his points, but when he calls out the media for "victimizing the victims" of school shootings, or tries to adopt a position of moral superiority because his violent game has provoked a violent reaction, I just can't relate to his way of thinking.

I don't mind when something is "rude and offensive," but I do take exception when creators set out to offend people and then simply dismiss the people who get offended. Not every game has to try to advance the genre, but this just confirms the biases of many non-gamers with no clear gain. To suggest "these ideals aren't truly hurting anyone" is incorrect.

Reading the forum for the studio, it does just seem to be a bunch of trolls with a well spoken leader.

I can kind of understand how the guy is thinking. He doesn't have the moral high ground, but he has the basic right, that was my entire point. From the interview it didn't seem like he did it just to offend people, it looked like a "why not?" type of deal, so i'm sticking to that too, because that's my observation of it.

The fact that the gaming community itself thinks this is douchebaggery (I love how that "word" sounds) should be enough proof to non-gamers that this really isn't the norm. If they think so, then my statement shall be retracted.

Although I hope it doesn't have to be.

 

[Jim Grim]

As a point of interest. I wonder how many of you would mind so much if it was shooting monsters for points before the big bad boss monsters killed you?

Of course I wouldn't mind if it was shooting monsters. Because monsters aren't school children.

Creating an entire game devoted to trying to kill as many children in a school is possible is fucking appalling. It seems that the only way this guy is really justifying this is by saying "It's just a game, it'll be fun." That's not an adequate reason to release something like this.

 

[The Zango]

Is it strange that I find myself oddly relating to this guy and his views?

OT: While even I find the presentation of his point extreme, he makes an odd, twisted kind of sense and while I do not agree wholesale with his views and I cant say that I would play the mod, I understand where he's coming from, but that might point out my own problems than the validity of his argument.

 

[The Wykydtron]

I see no reason why this shouldn't be made... I also see no reason why this SHOULD be made. Once again my neutral nature makes me dislike the biased nature of this article rather than the article itself...

 

[Studd_Jozz]

To put it nicely, we cam either make fun and play games about everything, or we get nothing.
I like this idea. I don't really care if people are offended by this game, I think it's something that will be fun to play with friends.
This reminds me of the hoopla over JFK Reloaded, another fun game me and my friends (BSA members, none the less) played for quite a time.

 

[Random berk]

Seriously? Inside the "sick" mind of a school shooter mod? I'm guessing you're slightly biased against this guy.

I agree with most of his points. Not about why he wanted to make it, because that's just silly, but his answers to your questions. I mean, it was hilarious that people were going on about how they wanted to kill Jack Thompson and its brilliant that he sticks by his idea of what a game should be. He wants the game to be a mindless shooting game that's rude and offensive and where you kill people, and do you know what?

That is absolutely fine

More power to him. At least he's sticking by his ideals as a person, and these ideals aren't truly hurting anyone. The man gets a respect five from me.

Edit:

As a point of interest. I wonder how many of you would mind so much if it was shooting monsters for points before the big bad boss monsters killed you?

And as pointed out below, I wonder how many of you were ok with Call of Juarez but not ok with this?

Which Call of Juarez? The old ones were no worse than any Western movie, but the new one is almost (not quite, but almost), as stupid an idea as this.

 

[PhoenixOnly]

After watching the gameplay on moddb it just looks like a generic shooter set in a school canteen. The enemies dont even look like kids...

 

[nightshadered]

This guy is an obvious troll. Not only is he making a game with a despicable premise, he also "agrees" with the california game law, a law that every game developer and player should be against. He is trying his best to piss off as many people as possible so they talk about it more, thus getting free publicity.

I personally support his right to make such a game though. Games like this have existed for years in the flash game community, this game just happens to be the first one that wasn't made over the weekend with stick figures. These types of games will always exist, the only way we can lessen their impact is by giving the attention they deserve, which is absolutely none.

People still publish novels about how the Holocaust "never happened" and why the white race is superior. Movies glorifying rape are still being produced. But the reason these pieces of "entertainment" are tolerated is because everyone has the decency to ignore them when they come out, ultimately silencing any impact they might have on society. We have to do the same with this game. Let the designer know that the gaming public doesn't care whether or not the game is fun, and will not play such filth.

It saddens me though, because on some level, the design for this game is not that bad. Despite the subject matter, it sounds like the game itself might have been fun. To bad the developer decided that he would rather piss people off then to make something that would truly be fun.

DO NOT DOWNLOAD THIS GAME. Let him make it, but DO NOT DOWNLOAD THE GAME.

 

[Rooster Cogburn]

I love how he talks down video games as a medium to make his mod look less objectionable by comparison. I guess you can't expect someone working on something like this to be a class act. He actually did make some good points, but I don't see how any of that makes this mod any less obnoxious.

 

[squid5580]

His arguments and responses are sound but creating such a mod are just wrong. Horribly wrong.

I disagree. I see no problem with him creating such a mod even though I find the content utterly offensive. It is your kind of comments that are holding us back. We shouldn't be trying to stifle creativity even if we find the content offensive and would never touch it in a million years. He is trying to make a good game. That is all that should matter. Let the people decide whether or not they want to play it based on the content.

 

[Feylynn]

I won't play the game, I don't like the idea of the game, I don't agree with some of the points the creator made in this interview, but I don't care that it is actually being made. Any creator, has the right to see a design through to the extent that its construction does not require the harm of others.
If someone deeply hurt by this content goes out of their way to modify their gaming experience to become this then they should probably consult a psychiatrist.
To clarify I don't mean this in an offensive way, I mean to say that if someone that is truly against this, is hurt by this or the real shootings that occurred...
Then they should fully avoid this easily escapable and insignificant sliver of user created content and continue about their lives, not actively seek out reminders of the incident.

In that respect the news this game is seeing is no help to people that would just like it ignored. There is a lot of sick shit in the world but most of it is left quietly where those who would seek it are the only ones that care to find it.

Enough of the rant though the short version is that I don't like it but I don't care if it's made. I don't think it's significantly worse then seeking out the murder of NPCs in GTA unless you have had a relatable experience to it yourself. Then you should have the responsibility to not harm yourself by playing.

 

[teh_Canape]

Oh for fuck's sake.
I bet somewhere in the world, someone has a family member that died in a shooting at some street. GTA is still existing though!
I bet somewhere in the world, someone has a family member that died in a one of the many wars that video games are based on. There are still video games about war!
I bet somewhere in the world, someone has a family member that got BACKSTABBED, and TF2 is still there!

What makes this any different?
How is this more horrid than, say, GTA?
Because we kill children, not adults?

not even children, they're adults

(you can totally see that the model is made to represent an adult and not, say, a teenager)

 

[mjc0961]

Okay, I stopped reading at the part where the guy said he supports the bill before the Supreme Court about making it illegal to sell violent games to minors. Between his mod and that statement, his status as someone who wants to see gaming destroyed is confirmed as far as I'm concerned.

Also, what the hell is with 3 pages? What did I pay for Publisher's Club for if the features it's supposed to give me don't work 100% of the time? This isn't the first time this has happened, and it's starting to get annoying.

 

[Dogstile]

As a point of interest. I wonder how many of you would mind so much if it was shooting monsters for points before the big bad boss monsters killed you?

Of course I wouldn't mind if it was shooting monsters. Because monsters aren't school children.

Creating an entire game devoted to trying to kill as many children in a school is possible is fucking appalling. It seems that the only way this guy is really justifying this is by saying "It's just a game, it'll be fun." That's not an adequate reason to release something like this.

Because its the same game, different context. Nothing really changes except the character models. It's not real.

He doesn't have to justify it to anyone, he's making it for anyone who will enjoy it to enjoy. Quite frankly, I think its "fucking appalling" that he has to justify making a mod for a game.

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Which Call of Juarez? The old ones were no worse than any Western movie, but the new one is almost (not quite, but almost, as stupid an idea as this.)

The new one. Which many people said was completely fine even though people had been directly affected by what it depicted.

They're hardly 'school children' they're the adult civs from half life it's only the location that makes it provocative and the context, not the people your killing.

It looks boring to me.

Actually, those are placeholders. He intends on modelling younger characters.

I think an important point has yet to be brought up, here.

The game looks like shit. I just looked at the alpha video. I've played a game where I can do that... it's called Garrysmod. He uses civilians and Combine for kids and police. The mod will completely miss the point he's trying to get across.

Which is a good thing, because the guy is an insult to real developers everywhere. Seriously, fuck that guy and anyone who agrees with his philosophy on "games being meant for violence".

If you look into it more, you'll find those are placeholder images.

And why can't games be meant for violence exactly? Isn't that the entire point of say, the COD series? Which is selling by the millions?

Seriously? Inside the "sick" mind of a school shooter mod? I'm guessing you're slightly biased against this guy.

I agree with most of his points. Not about why he wanted to make it, because that's just silly, but his answers to your questions. I mean, it was hilarious that people were going on about how they wanted to kill Jack Thompson and its brilliant that he sticks by his idea of what a game should be. He wants the game to be a mindless shooting game that's rude and offensive and where you kill people, and do you know what?

That is absolutely fine

More power to him. At least he's sticking by his ideals as a person, and these ideals aren't truly hurting anyone. The man gets a respect five from me.

Edit:

As a point of interest. I wonder how many of you would mind so much if it was shooting monsters for points before the big bad boss monsters killed you?

And as pointed out below, I wonder how many of you were ok with Call of Juarez but not ok with this?

I agree to a point that the game this guy has made is fine, it's up to the person who plays it to judge it, but your point about comparisons to other games is moot. In those games the NPCs fight back, whereas it's specifically stated the 'innocent' students your shooting at can't defend themselves against you. The swat teams are another story entirely, but you don't start off shooting them.

Considering there's a game that lets you play as a jihadist, it's not hugely shocking someone would make a game like this at some point. I will freely exercise my right to not play it.

Ok, fair point about COJ, but the monsters game. You're shooting little baby monsters, who can't shoot back, for points until mamma gets home. Would that be as bad or is it different altogether because of that point?




(Damn, I can see myself arguing this point all night)

 

[moretimethansense]

I'm offended... by the fact he thinks that games shouldn't have any deapth or message to them, I am a games art hippy and the very idea that games have no value above bang bang shooty time pisses me right off.

Hm?
Oh the mod?
eh, I'll download it give it a few runs laugh a little then probebly get bored and delete it, just like I did with Postal.

EDIT: I also am offended by the fact he thinks that stupid fucking bill should pass, he even uses the same arguements as those idiotsa that know shit all about games...
Oh my god!
*dons tin-foil hat* He's one of them!
This is a false flag operation, he's trying to get violent games banned by giving the enemy ammunition against us, we are screwed if they find out about this, show this to the folks that make the laws and make an appeal to emotion, probly by saying something like "Look at this, they are quite clearly advocating school shootings!" well I'm not falling for your trick mister!
You nearly got aay with it but you revealed youre true intent by condemning games as murder sims and speaking in favour of the anti game bill, no true gamer would do that!
*Foll hat off*