Inside the Sick Mind of a School Shooter Mod

[SinisterGehe]

His arguments and responses are sound but creating such a mod are just wrong. Horribly wrong.

But he still has the right to do it. You can not deny it. He has right to reflect this subject with hes own mean and has right to publish it. Should we ban people thinking about School violence in internet blocks because they might give someone ideas.

Note: I am not defending the game, I am defending the right to create one.

Of course he has the right to make the game but that doesn't make the act less strange or justified

So you are saying he is not allowed to make one? That sounds, rather - restricting. Strange indeed, but am I breaking so law or unwritten abstract social code if I create a game in which you can do the same actions as this game of which we currently discussing - even if I wouldn't publish it.

You trying to imply that there are certain topics that are allowed to be handled by a certain medium. Can I do a book about school violence - there have been many of them, Film - I am sure theres one or two, Song - I can find these for sure, Verbal communication - Yes, Interactive game, all the sudden no?

Why do we restrict a certain medium of communication or subject reflection from handling some certain subject. We have pieces in all medium that cover everything from Sex, violence, drugs, addictions, all to way to racism and even more. Why restrict this particular subject, under who's name it is done?

When I got in to a dramatic even of school violence, in which I got hurt really bad physically and the school community had even more dramatic trauma of having to witness a such a horrid act of unjustified violence. I would like to cover this in a game that would inspect situation of both parties, am I now allowed to? Or am I allowed to create such "piece" because I have been personally 'Touched' by this subject. Are my friends allowed to self-reflect about this subject via this game or from their own, or is it banned topic to be handled by interactive media due to some abstract social code we need to obey?

If the game had something valuable to say about it, then MORE POWER TO HIM. Satire is good, shock value is good, etc.

He stated himself that it's not designed to have any value beyond "students there, murder them".

If you self-reflect from the game, the creator says you're doing it wrong. Your argument doesn't work.

The argument was aimed at different subject, not of this game but to games about school violence. So it does work.

 

[WanderingFool]

His arguments and responses are sound but creating such a mod are just wrong. Horribly wrong.

But he still has the right to do it. You can not deny it. He has right to reflect this subject with hes own mean and has right to publish it. Should we ban people thinking about School violence in internet blocks because they might give someone ideas.

Note: I am not defending the game, I am defending the right to create one.

Yes, I believe he does have the right to make such a game. But is it a good idea? That is what I want to know. I honestly couldnt read past page 1 though. The idea itself is just distasteful, to put it utterly mildly. I just hope there is some kind of social value, otherwise, this sounds like it would be worse than all of EA's marketing discussed last week.

 

[Atmos Duality]

Another shock value "game" from another real life troll.
Looks like he got a few good strikes though.

Ignore his cries for attention, and move on.

 

[Gigano]

Sounds pretty irrelevant to me, I'd view it as just a shooting gallery with the words "school shooting" pinned on it to garner attention and controversy.

Though its maker does answer quite well for himself, there's apparently nothing in the way of build-up, established setting, or creating a persistent sense of a slide towards a moral event horizon for the protagonist that eventually leads into such events.

It seems to add nothing in way of depicting and understanding the unsettling mindset and world of a school shooter, and is thus neither informational nor makes for compelling story telling. Taking on the perspective of one, and experiencing the process that lead to his deeds, might have made for a meaningful and interesting game, but none of that seems present here. Just sort of a replay of the (initially boring) MW2 massacre level with some buzzwords thrown in.

So merely bait for offence. Personally, I'm not offended in the least. I've played through far worse; and yet far better.

 

[awesomeClaw]

Meh.

I´m so goddamn jaded i´m not even offended. Sure, the game might suck, but who cares, really?

The anti-game people? Ha! Like they´d actually succeed!

 

[Creepybard]

Alright, now that I'm over the initial shock and outrage at this... thing, and I've taken a moment to think about this... I honestly do not care that this exists. This is a mod, which is basically like a fanfic or youtube video by comparison to other media. If this guy wants to be an idiot and make something offensive as this, whatever, I can't stop people from making fanfics or youtube videos, so I can't stop this guy. Better to just ignore him, since he is obviously looking for attention, than to feed his idiocy.

 

[lacktheknack]

Ok, fair point about COJ, but the monsters game. You're shooting little baby monsters, who can't shoot back, for points until mamma gets home. Would that be as bad or is it different altogether because of that point?

Myself, I find that to be different, yet very disgusting and repulsive as well if that's all there is to it. Context needs to be used as well.

Again, sure he can make it, but I'm allowed to think he's an incredibly dangerous, unlikable, emotionally and intellectually stunted asshole who no one loves in return.

 

[GamingAwesome1]

While I give some respect for the guy for standing up for his work, the work itself is twisted and sick and serves no purpose other than offending everyone simply because he can offend everyone.

 

[Space Spoons]

This guy sounds like a sociopath, and that's not a term I use lightly. I feel sorry for him and everyone around him, because it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that this is going to explode into a firestorm of controversy.

 

[lacktheknack]

His arguments and responses are sound but creating such a mod are just wrong. Horribly wrong.

But he still has the right to do it. You can not deny it. He has right to reflect this subject with hes own mean and has right to publish it. Should we ban people thinking about School violence in internet blocks because they might give someone ideas.

Note: I am not defending the game, I am defending the right to create one.

Of course he has the right to make the game but that doesn't make the act less strange or justified

So you are saying he is not allowed to make one? That sounds, rather - restricting. Strange indeed, but am I breaking so law or unwritten abstract social code if I create a game in which you can do the same actions as this game of which we currently discussing - even if I wouldn't publish it.

You trying to imply that there are certain topics that are allowed to be handled by a certain medium. Can I do a book about school violence - there have been many of them, Film - I am sure theres one or two, Song - I can find these for sure, Verbal communication - Yes, Interactive game, all the sudden no?

Why do we restrict a certain medium of communication or subject reflection from handling some certain subject. We have pieces in all medium that cover everything from Sex, violence, drugs, addictions, all to way to racism and even more. Why restrict this particular subject, under who's name it is done?

When I got in to a dramatic even of school violence, in which I got hurt really bad physically and the school community had even more dramatic trauma of having to witness a such a horrid act of unjustified violence. I would like to cover this in a game that would inspect situation of both parties, am I now allowed to? Or am I allowed to create such "piece" because I have been personally 'Touched' by this subject. Are my friends allowed to self-reflect about this subject via this game or from their own, or is it banned topic to be handled by interactive media due to some abstract social code we need to obey?

If the game had something valuable to say about it, then MORE POWER TO HIM. Satire is good, shock value is good, etc.

He stated himself that it's not designed to have any value beyond "students there, murder them".

If you self-reflect from the game, the creator says you're doing it wrong. Your argument doesn't work.

The argument was aimed at different subject, not of this game but to games about school violence. So it does work.

And I agreed with you on that, but your argument cannot cover this game.

 

[googleback]

I am 100% behind this guy. Because you will always be killed in the end either by your own gun or the police. this is why GTA games a re ok, as much havoc as you wreak, you will ALWAYS be taken out by the coppers (unless you escape, but you cant do that in this game)
It shows how pointless such an act of brutality will bring and may even serve as a sort of stressball type game.

good on him, I wish him the best.

 

[La Barata]

Something like this speaks directly to the bullied teenager in all of us. Know what this game is? It's cathartic. Without mincing words, I fucking hated high school. I had no friends, and was picked on for fun by just about everybody because, being bigger than most and quiet, I make a good target. Hell, there was a month back in grade 12 where a group of people would follow me around at lunch and throw garbage at me. I never fought back, though. I just bottled shit up and turned it into pure hate and misanthropy. Even now, several years later, I keep up a shell and am always on the defensive. I keep people away because I quite honestly hate them now.
Why, may you ask, am I giving you lot my life story? It's on topic, not just because they both involve high schools. I have to say, playing a game like that would be cathartic. If I played this back in high school, it'd give me some sort of satisfaction. I couldn't strike back against my tormentors in real life, so I'd gun them down in the virtual world. It hurts nobody, no harm is done but to pixels.
To all of you saying "this is terrible, this is the worst thing ever, you need to die for making this!" think back to yourself at high school and how the people in it made you feel. If everyone was your best friend, then congratulations, you've succeeded in doing something that no other human in history has done. To the rest of you, however, remember how those people (you know exactly who I mean, EVERYONE has them) made you feel, and tell me taking your digital revenge wouldn't make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

...No. It wouldn't. It would only make me madder. Because then they'd still be there.

How am I supposed to sympathize with you if you sat there, did nothing about it, and wished deeply for their horrendous death? At least I DID SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

To begin, I don't appreciate your attacking me for simply stating my opinion. YOu have done nothing here, made no valid argument, you've simply attempted to defame me and say that I'm wrong for feeling a certain way. What, pray tell, do you suggest I do? Go to the office? Seriously, when was the last time you were in a high school? The administration doesn't give a flying fuck about you. I can tell you exactly what they'd say, because the first thing I did WAS go to the office. "Oh, avoid the people who give you trouble". That's the entirety of their solution. The administration would not lift a finger to help you, they couldn't be bothered to piss on you if you were on fire. Hell, when someone actually set me on fire in grade 9, they simply said that if I didn't have any proof of who it was, they couldn't do anything. So should I fight them, then? Sure, get myself expelled and probably hurt because there's a good deal more of them than me. Talk to them? Seriously? It doesn't work that way. Regardless, I never asked for your sympathy, I simply gave personal context to help me make a valid argument.

On to your other point, that it would make you madder because they're still there. Well, yippee for you, that's just too damn bad. Guess what, though? If you DIDN'T play the game, then they'd still be there, just the same as if you had played, only if I did play, it would act as a sort of stress relief. That's the entire point I've tried to make, that it works cathartically, like a stress ball with a trigger.

 

[ParkourMcGhee]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha... aaaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah.

Successful trolls are successful. This isn't a mod, it's barely a new map (hell I could knock this up in an hour. TOPS.)!

Children? Police? These are just Half Life 2 EXTRAS. I don't see how any of you can get so attatched.

I guess it's good as a humanities project though. You know - to see peoples overall reactions.

You could argue that this could be used to push against the "violence in games", but I wouldn't like to see that.

Overall enjoyment factor 3.5/5

...

The anonymous vs church story was much better.

 

[ZeroMachine]

*holycraphugesnip*

Just as a reply to what you said about my comment, the guy is saying video games are JUST meant for violence deep down. As in, the rest of it doesn't matter.

 

[AnarchistScum]

I do not frequent this forum. I come here from time to time, mostly because of Zero Punctuation. But some threads have caught my eyes.

I'll just raise my points when it comes to this game.
I myself have been bullied. In high-school and before high-school.
Who in their right mind would not want to shoot the person that has caused you so much anguish? I mean sure. I got them to stop by talking with the teachers. But the memories never really leave you. They are there, regardless.

When I played GTA IV the first time. Do you know what I did? I drove around in an SUV literally PLOWING people on streets. For 8 hours straight, whilst laughing. I cackle maniacally in Skype when I fire Stuka's in COH.

I love killing when it comes to games. In my opinion, Prototype is one of the best games ever made. Because it is that much fun in my opinion to wreak havoc and slaughter people who can do nothing to stop you.

In contrast, in real life I can't stand the sight of blood. It makes my knees weak and my hands feel weird like I can't control them as much. But in games, unleashing doom on anything is fun.

What this developer does, I fully support. I've had similar ideas myself, but with a more RPG influenced style where you pick classes like Nerd or Bully and various other things.

We have to remember that games are stress-relievers. Taking a stressful environment like a school and riddling it and its' inhabitants with bullets, I've got to say, I have no problem with that. I see potential in it.

I am not an American. I do not know the full extent of the repercussions of the Columbine Highschool massacre. What I do know though is that you people seem to have awfully little respect for those who did it. This kind of maltreatment and disrespect is what started the conflict in the first place. Everything in there that happened was a protest against how society works and how utterly stupid people can be because we are not taught to respect and understand each other.

The cause for this was nothing more than downright ignorance and disrespect. I am not saying that the people who got shot deserved it, even though some may have. What I'm saying is that I can empathize with them (The guys that did it). I've been mistreated and bullied and I know how it feels.

Yes. I support this game to vent frustrations of this kind.

 

[TheGuiggleMonster]

The only thing I find wrong is that this is going to help anti-video game activists. Other than that I don't see anything morally wrong with depicting things which are considered national tragedies. Those who don't like it don't have to play it.