Inside the Sick Mind of a School Shooter Mod

Madara XIII

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Sniper Team 4 said:
Holy. Shit.

This person is sick. You know why the media "overplayed" the drama of some crazy idiots murdering innocent people? You know why the shooters are made out to be monsters? Because the shooters are monsters and having innocent people--children especially--get gunned down is dramatic and sad. This guy is...words cannot describe his failure as a human being.
^ I gotta go with you on this one dude. I mean GTA4 is one example, but to play out a school shooting is just...God Awful

I mean honestly this game is going to only support the Right Wing Extremists in that video games make people more violent.

Just because you have the right to do it doesn't necessarily mean you should.

I can only say this about the person who made this...

GUNDAM FACEPALM:
 
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You know, I don't mind the mod. It is not that much different from running over people in GTA. What I have a problem with is how little he cares for the medium, how little he cares for other people's opinions(especially the people who had to live through this stuff), and how much he just doesn't give a shit.

Just a damn disgrace. Thats fine if you don't want games to be more then mindless shooters devoid of anything interesting. But don't fuck it up for the people who want more out of it.

The asshole.
 
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WanderingFool said:
Actually save for the FO3 kids, I never did any of those things... God... not even the Fatman can kill those bastards...
Doing one, you might as well have done them all. I only ever went there once though, the only kid I liked was the one you had to sell to the slavers, the rest were absolute dicks.
 

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Wow this kind of reminds of of "Super Columbine RPG" except that that game was made to help worth through some of the issues caused by the shooting anf made an attempt to help you understand WHY it happened. Actually the game made a lot of statements about violence in general.

This game on the other hand has no satisfactory reason to be made.
Damn this is an even bigger facepalm than the time you found out about the Virtual Miku Hatsune concert and the Green Onion Glow sticks hehehehehe, but seriously this game is going to really bring the game industry some serious hell.
 

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Jim Grim said:
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As a point of interest. I wonder how many of you would mind so much if it was shooting monsters for points before the big bad boss monsters killed you?
Of course I wouldn't mind if it was shooting monsters. Because monsters aren't school children.

Creating an entire game devoted to trying to kill as many children in a school is possible is fucking appalling. It seems that the only way this guy is really justifying this is by saying "It's just a game, it'll be fun." That's not an adequate reason to release something like this.
Because its the same game, different context. Nothing really changes except the character models. It's not real.

He doesn't have to justify it to anyone, he's making it for anyone who will enjoy it to enjoy. Quite frankly, I think its "fucking appalling" that he has to justify making a mod for a game.

(Damn, I can see myself arguing this point all night)
Context makes all the difference. What your targets represent is far more important than how they look. The fact that it's not real is beside the point, the player is still encouraged to gain enjoyment from a school shooting.

The idea that people should be allowed to produce whatever material they want and not have to justify it is a horrible idea. What the developer is doing here is communicating an idea to the world, of course he should have to respond to criticism. If you create something so obviously controvesial you can't ignore people's responses to it, and you'd better have some damn good reasoning behind your choice to create it. This guy doesn't have that. It would be better for him and I'm sure for many other people if he simply cancelled the project, though of course if he chooses to go ahead with it, he should have the right to. Equally, I should have the right to complain and protest against this, and I should have the right to a proper response to my criticism.

Oh, and you'd better be prepared to spend a long time arguing this point. You said something very contentious in a public forum, and now you'll see the results.
I don't actually think that last one is a right at all... By all means, dole out criticism as you see fit but there is no law or declaration of rights anywhere that says the creator must respond to such criticism in any capacity.

I don't really see the point in arguing shoulds.


Also, how do you feel about abstraction? If we remove the models used in the mod and replace them with cardboard cutouts with the word student on them, you can argue against that in the same way, right?
 

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So I watched some gameplay. I know it's probably far from finished and all, but just now it just looks like the HL2 story taking place in a school. If it wasn't for the name you'd assume the name of the mod would be "Mediocre HL2-mod set in a school".

Nothing to get worked up about, really.
 

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The thing is, its not like the mod uses models of real school children. They're just Half-Life 2 resistance fighters (which you can explode in Garry's Mod anyway). The police aren't in uniform or have faces. They're just Combine soldiers who, last time I played, are the bad guys.

I DO think the reason he made this is a bit creepy, but you could probably call it something like "Half-life 2 Hallway" or "Test weapons on the Combine" and no one would bat an eye. Its the name that people are most upset about in my opinion.

He has a right to make it. Freedom of speech and all that jazz. I just hope that anyone playing has enough common sense to know that its not real, its just in the computer.
 

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lacktheknack said:
La Barata said:
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Something like this speaks directly to the bullied teenager in all of us. Know what this game is? It's cathartic. Without mincing words, I fucking hated high school. I had no friends, and was picked on for fun by just about everybody because, being bigger than most and quiet, I make a good target. Hell, there was a month back in grade 12 where a group of people would follow me around at lunch and throw garbage at me. I never fought back, though. I just bottled shit up and turned it into pure hate and misanthropy. Even now, several years later, I keep up a shell and am always on the defensive. I keep people away because I quite honestly hate them now.
Why, may you ask, am I giving you lot my life story? It's on topic, not just because they both involve high schools. I have to say, playing a game like that would be cathartic. If I played this back in high school, it'd give me some sort of satisfaction. I couldn't strike back against my tormentors in real life, so I'd gun them down in the virtual world. It hurts nobody, no harm is done but to pixels.
To all of you saying "this is terrible, this is the worst thing ever, you need to die for making this!" think back to yourself at high school and how the people in it made you feel. If everyone was your best friend, then congratulations, you've succeeded in doing something that no other human in history has done. To the rest of you, however, remember how those people (you know exactly who I mean, EVERYONE has them) made you feel, and tell me taking your digital revenge wouldn't make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

...No. It wouldn't. It would only make me madder. Because then they'd still be there.

How am I supposed to sympathize with you if you sat there, did nothing about it, and wished deeply for their horrendous death? At least I DID SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
To begin, I don't appreciate your attacking me for simply stating my opinion. YOu have done nothing here, made no valid argument, you've simply attempted to defame me and say that I'm wrong for feeling a certain way. What, pray tell, do you suggest I do? Go to the office? Seriously, when was the last time you were in a high school? The administration doesn't give a flying fuck about you. I can tell you exactly what they'd say, because the first thing I did WAS go to the office. "Oh, avoid the people who give you trouble". That's the entirety of their solution. The administration would not lift a finger to help you, they couldn't be bothered to piss on you if you were on fire. Hell, when someone actually set me on fire in grade 9, they simply said that if I didn't have any proof of who it was, they couldn't do anything. So should I fight them, then? Sure, get myself expelled and probably hurt because there's a good deal more of them than me. Talk to them? Seriously? It doesn't work that way. Regardless, I never asked for your sympathy, I simply gave personal context to help me make a valid argument.

On to your other point, that it would make you madder because they're still there. Well, yippee for you, that's just too damn bad. Guess what, though? If you DIDN'T play the game, then they'd still be there, just the same as if you had played, only if I did play, it would act as a sort of stress relief. That's the entire point I've tried to make, that it works cathartically, like a stress ball with a trigger.
I find it interesting how you accuse me of attacking you (which I didn't), then go on an aggressive rant.

Anyways, I graduated last year out of a school where the staff successfully defused no fewer then four bullies groups in three years. I even was involved mere weeks ago in a defamation via Facebook case where fifteen people got a warning, one got a two day suspension, and another got a five-day suspension. So no, the administration was awesome.

Still, did you get your parents involved?

Did you consider switching schools?

Did you consider psychological warfare?

Were you friendly to everyone else?

Did you stay in good status with the teachers?

Did you consider hiding in a closet and reading, since you claim to have had no friends?

Did you react to them?

Did you withdraw into an easily prodded shell?

Seriously, if you did the last two and almost none of the others, then no wonder high-school sucked.
In that case, you were luckier than most. Both the high schools I went to, the administration refused to do anything.
I don't intend to show any aggression here, and I understand that it's hard to tell tone over the internet, so I can understand how you'd think that.

I DID switch schools, after someone set me on fire.
I treated those people who would treat me with respect well
Please define psychological warfare
I was in good with the teachers
I tried my hardest to ignore them
I think I may have done the last, but I'm not sure.

The main reason I had no friends was that I came into the school later, after the cliques had already formed, and that I knew some of the people from when I was younger (grade 4, 5) when I was going through some tough times, and they spread the word that I was "weird" or whatever.
 

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Bad idea.

I mean, I could understand if it was entirely over the top a la borderlands, as a satire of how the media is today, i'd be more understanble, but still a bad idea.

But this, this is a REALLY, REALLY bad idea.
 

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I'm not even wholly sure what to make of this all; nothing good, certainly, and whilst I accept he has the right to make this ...thing... it doesn't me he's right to do so.
Irridium said:
You know, I don't mind the mod. It is not that much different from running over people in GTA. What I have a problem with is how little he cares for the medium, how little he cares for other people's opinions(especially the people who had to live through this stuff), and how much he just doesn't give a shit.

Just a damn disgrace. Thats fine if you don't want games to be more then mindless shooters devoid of anything interesting. But don't fuck it up for the people who want more out of it.

The asshole.
I will say only that the difference as I see it is that running over NPCs in GTA isn't the goal or purpose of the game, whereas this is build from the ground up to be about murdering children and innocents. At least in GTA, the goal was typically to kill other killers, or defend yourself from them.

As for the 'developer', I suspect he's just a teen kid, too absorbed in himself and his 'beef with society' to realise the scope of what he's doing; possibly.
 

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Jim Grim said:
dogstile said:
Jim Grim said:
dogstile said:
As a point of interest. I wonder how many of you would mind so much if it was shooting monsters for points before the big bad boss monsters killed you?
Of course I wouldn't mind if it was shooting monsters. Because monsters aren't school children.

Creating an entire game devoted to trying to kill as many children in a school is possible is fucking appalling. It seems that the only way this guy is really justifying this is by saying "It's just a game, it'll be fun." That's not an adequate reason to release something like this.
Because its the same game, different context. Nothing really changes except the character models. It's not real.

He doesn't have to justify it to anyone, he's making it for anyone who will enjoy it to enjoy. Quite frankly, I think its "fucking appalling" that he has to justify making a mod for a game.

(Damn, I can see myself arguing this point all night)
Context makes all the difference. What your targets represent is far more important than how they look. The fact that it's not real is beside the point, the player is still encouraged to gain enjoyment from a school shooting.

The idea that people should be allowed to produce whatever material they want and not have to justify it is a horrible idea. What the developer is doing here is communicating an idea to the world, of course he should have to respond to criticism. If you create something so obviously controvesial you can't ignore people's responses to it, and you'd better have some damn good reasoning behind your choice to create it. This guy doesn't have that. It would be better for him and I'm sure for many other people if he simply cancelled the project, though of course if he chooses to go ahead with it, he should have the right to. Equally, I should have the right to complain and protest against this, and I should have the right to a proper response to my criticism.

Oh, and you'd better be prepared to spend a long time arguing this point. You said something very contentious in a public forum, and now you'll see the results.
But that's just it. You can question why the hell he made it, but expecting justification for it is silly. There is a difference. Questioning why someone made something and getting a "because I want to" is different to asking why and expecting a "real" reason. There doesn't have to be one. He can make it "just because" and that's still a good enough reason.

Expecting somebody to just bend to your will and say "ok, fine, I won't make this because you don't want me to, even though I want to and so do these guys" is a horrible idea, because it takes freedom of speech away from the developer (and that is what we're arguing for here in regards to games here, right guys?)

You would have the perfect right to protest, if this was being shoved in your face. But its not, its a mod, in the murky depths of the internet that someone happened to find and take interest in.

And i'll argue the point until someone can bring up a good enough point against it. I'm not the only one who thinks damning this to hell is a stupid idea it seems.
 

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Father Time said:
I don't see how this will hurt the game industry. All we have to do is point out that this was an online mod that is unrated by the ESRB, not sold in stores and made by a very small group of individuals.
Where it that simple - alas, groups with a desire to attack the games industry or destroy the medium for their own goals (fame, influence, or 'for the children!', etc) will either not understand, choose not to understand, ignore the facts, or just plain say it doesn't matter. Whilst we all know this doesn't represent gaming, the general public are not as informed.