Insurers Blame Fatal Stage Collapse on Illegal Music Sharing
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Here I was thinking I bought CDs because I'm a bit of an audiophile and can't deal with shittily ripped sound files, but thank you soulless insurance company, I didn't know that all I was trying to do was save people from dying at a concert.
But seriously, I can't even believe that people feel they can even say shit like that unless it's when they're drunk and to their friends. Piracy is just a blame figure for everything, they forget that when we used cassettes and videotapes, we'd pirate shit right off of TV/radio, or off of other videotapes/cds and hand them out to our friends or sell them in Chinatown.
But seriously, I can't even believe that people feel they can even say shit like that unless it's when they're drunk and to their friends. Piracy is just a blame figure for everything, they forget that when we used cassettes and videotapes, we'd pirate shit right off of TV/radio, or off of other videotapes/cds and hand them out to our friends or sell them in Chinatown.
Yeah, just a little. My first reaction was...That's...Original....Andy Chalk said:
But seriously, concerts have been getting bigger since well before Napster, and piracy had nothing to do with it. Corporate greed did. When Queen had to redrill supports in stadiums in the 80s, they did. When corporations cut costs on their music festivals, this happens.
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The decrease in CD sales is due SOLELY to the increase in popularity digital distribution like Itunes. The recording industry is actually making MORE money now than they were in the 90's when CDs were at the peak of their popularity.
And, to refute your other point; pirates buy more music that people who don't pirate. Because they are exposed to much more variety, they are far more likely to purchase music than they would not have otherwise even known about. Whereas, those who aren't exposed to the increased volume and variety of music aren't as likely to spend money on musical acts that they have never heard or heard of.
If that was true, the decline wouldn't have started before DD, or even before file sharing.Elementlmage said:
[Citation needed]
According to pirate-friendly studies which are few in number. A neutral (Not funded by the RIAA or similar as well) source would be nice.
Which is why the best sellers are still the crap you hear on the radio.
Which is why the best sellers are still the crap you hear on the radio.
That isn't pretty much what it says. No one mentions filesharing and no one blames falling record sales, no one is quoted, no companies are named, the article simply says that insurance experts have said due to falling record/CD sales concerts are getting larger and therefore when things go wrong they do more damage, that does not equal blaming a fatal stage collapse on filesharing. Maybe I don't quite speak french well enough to get the subtle nuances of language but I can't even see the original article implying that insurers are blaming this on filesharing, let alone any evidence that actual insurers are doing so. Now, maybe the article is putting in as little real info as possible and leaving idiots to jump (a very long way) to conclusions but they are not saying illegal music sharing caused this accident.ExileNZ said:
AbsolutelyMekado said:
Yup
I wouldn't be surprised but the article doesn't even say what the escapist and BoingBoing article are claiming, it is as you say, sensationalist and I shall add a word: "bullshit".
That has nothing at all to do with the RIAA. I love when people just blame the "free market". The RIAA is not a "free market" group. They are a group that have personal interests in controlling the market, therefore, not "free market". All groups such as that are anti-free market. I know you must have been desperate to put that out there, but be rational. Just because they operate outside a government body, doesn't mean they are free market. Also, a musician is absolutely able to self publish these days on digital platforms for a fraction of the money that a record label pays. Sure, you don't get to open for big people, but don't sit there and feel sorry for the artists, they have choices, and they are just doing what gets them the most easy money the fastest. What happened there was a tragedy, but you demean it by trying to turn it into an anti-Republican agenda item. What that group does is steal from the musicians, but the musicians enable them. It's not the RIAA's fault that happened, it's not music piracy. It's actually the government regulation (the safety inspector) that allowed them to go onto a stage that was unfit for the conditions they were playing in.dyre said:
Sorry, but the not-so-subtle nuance here is just that, that illegal downloads are to blame. The way in which the "article" was written is fairly damning - any article that short written about a collapsing stage has no other reason to bring up falling CD sales unless they're trying to blame it on piracy. If it was a longer article where they said more, sure, it'd just be one detail of many. But here it's almost half the article. You don't spend half an article leading up to "the decline in CD sales" unless you're trying to implicate them.scumofsociety said:
Also, why are you looking for names, quotes and concrete information in a sensationalist piece like that? If they'd taken the time to write down exact details they wouldn't have had the space to blame "falling CD sales" PIRACY
Next you'll be looking for actual facts presented in a relevant context on Fox News.
Please.
Really? There wasn't the slightest mention of illegal downloading or piracy, they said falling CD sales, you are the one assuming it refers to piracy, could be the economy. Why not just add the words "that experts say is caused by piracy" on the end? Not exactly a controversial view for such a paper to air.ExileNZ said:
Anyway, you are missing my main point: No one blamed the fatal accident on filesharing or even falling sales, it was a shitty piece to be sure, but thinking anyone is blaming the stage collapse on filesharing is just idiots jumping to conclusions without reading things properly.
I'm not looking for quotes etc, I'm pointing out that there aren't any. The article is bollocks and anyone jumping to the conclusion that an insurance company is blaming this accident on piracy based on it is an idiot, especially as it doesn't say that.
Next you'll be assuming they blame god for the storm.
Please.