Iron Man Director Hints at Mandarin for Sequel

[Julianking93]

For fuck's sake it's about goddamn time.

Mandarin is Iron Man's arch rival. He should have been in the first movie.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

Except for the fact that the Mandarin doesn't actually use magic...

He finds the rings in the ruins of a crashed spacecraft, where they served as part of its propulsion system. He masters the alien technology, and uses that as the basis of his various campaigns of terror/world domination.

Yeah, was gonna say didn't Marvel retcon the rings so they were tech and not magic?

Maybe if they get the guy from the first movie to play the Mandarin, he already had a ring. Be easy to explain it away as some sort of advanced resurrection device.

 

[Raesvelg]

It wasn't a retcon, that's just the way it's always been.

 

[jasoncyrus]

So magic would be akward yet we readily believe he can just create a brand new element to replace his pre-existing element....with a fancy laser?

I was under the impression that it was a particle accelerator.

And, yeah, the rings = alien tech.

Ah thanks for correcting me =)

But anyway magic is ackward yet particle accelerator spontaneously creating new element basically out of thin air isnt?

Alien tech rings sound awesome although a bit cliche these days, everything super powerful elsewhere has been alien tech. An alien mineral yeah that would fit in nicely, but a whole alien tech is pushing the constraints of the movieverse a little far.

 

[Marik2]

I suspect the lineup we see will be similar to the Ultimates, with Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Wasp, and Ant-Man/Giant Man/Yellowjacket (who knows which one). I'm sure they'll add in Black Widow too, and possibly Hawkeye. I'm split on whether or not I think we'll see The Hulk, and if he'll be an ally or an enemy.

Well in the end of The Incredible Hulk Bruce Banner was meditating and had green eyes which means he's able to control his alter ego and Tony Stark did swing by after the credits which he said "I'm making a team"

 

[Gildan Bladeborn]

I thought the rings weren't so much magic as they were alien technology from a crashed space ship? Let's see... a quick check online...

Aha!

Hoping to find a means of revenging himself upon the civilization that had taxed him and rendered him homeless, the Mandarin explored the forbidden "Valley of Spirits," where no one had dared to set foot for centuries. There he found the skeleton and starship of Axonn-Karr, an intelligent dragon-like alien from the planet Maklu-4, who had come to Earth centuries ago and died. Over the following years, the Mandarin studied Makluan science until he mastered it. He also learned how to use the ten rings he found within the starship which were apparently its propulsion source, among other things. The Mandarin then became a conqueror and subjugated the villages around the Valley, and, through his advanced science, rapidly became a power that not even the Chinese Army could successfully challenge. He then embarked on a long series of attempts to achieve world domination.

The Mandarin sees technology as the surest means to achieve his goals.

Like I thought, it's more a case of "sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" than him possessing actual magic rings. They don't need to "ret-con" his rings to make them technological, they already are - whether or not the bit where he got them from a crashed starship presents a problem is another issue.

Edit: D'oh, ninjaed.

Except for the fact that the Mandarin doesn't actually use magic...

He finds the rings in the ruins of a crashed spacecraft, where they served as part of its propulsion system. He masters the alien technology, and uses that as the basis of his various campaigns of terror/world domination.

Yeah, was gonna say didn't Marvel retcon the rings so they were tech and not magic?

Maybe if they get the guy from the first movie to play the Mandarin, he already had a ring. Be easy to explain it away as some sort of advanced resurrection device.

It wasn't a retcon, that's just the way it's always been.

What Raesvelg said - I've read the original Iron Man comics where they explained The Mandarin's origin story and they definitely came from a starship in that version.

 

[JediMB]

Ah thanks for correcting me =)

But anyway magic is ackward yet particle accelerator spontaneously creating new element basically out of thin air isnt?

Well, I'm not exactly well-read on the subject, but I'm assuming that he used whatever-the-machine-was to fuse pre-existing elements together (i.e. nuclear fusion) and create the new one.

I'm not sure of what the process is, but I do recall reading that humans have created a number of "artificial" elements that don't exist in nature.

 

[jasoncyrus]

Ah thanks for correcting me =)

But anyway magic is ackward yet particle accelerator spontaneously creating new element basically out of thin air isnt?

Well, I'm not exactly well-read on the subject, but I'm assuming that he used whatever-the-machine-was to fuse pre-existing elements together (i.e. nuclear fusion) and create the new one.

I'm not sure of what the process is, but I do recall reading that humans have created a number of "artificial" elements that don't exist in nature.

True, true, but to survive nuetron damage it would take a *massive* amount of energy. Especially since the molecule design was a sphere made up of hundreds upon hundreds of atoms. The energy needed to create such a thing would be astronomical. Plus arn't particular acceleator beams rather...dangerous if aimed outside of their equipment?

 

[JediMB]

Ah thanks for correcting me =)

But anyway magic is ackward yet particle accelerator spontaneously creating new element basically out of thin air isnt?

Well, I'm not exactly well-read on the subject, but I'm assuming that he used whatever-the-machine-was to fuse pre-existing elements together (i.e. nuclear fusion) and create the new one.

I'm not sure of what the process is, but I do recall reading that humans have created a number of "artificial" elements that don't exist in nature.

True, true, but to survive nuetron damage it would take a *massive* amount of energy. Especially since the molecule design was a sphere made up of hundreds upon hundreds of atoms. The energy needed to create such a thing would be astronomical. Plus arn't particular acceleator beams rather...dangerous if aimed outside of their equipment?

Can't speak for the dangers of the particle accelerator, but this is the guy who's been poisoning himself with a Palladium-driven reactor in his chest for months...

As far as energy needed, I'm thinking Stark might be covered on that front. He's constructed multiple highly advanced Iron Man suits and miniature ARC reactors in that basement, after all.

I'm not sure how well I paid attention to those scenes, but since the Starks talked about creating a new element, and not a new molecule or alloy or anything like that, I was also under the impression that the model was of a single atom with all the smaller components being protons and neutrons. Can't wait for that DVD release...

 

[Canid117]

I thought his rings were technology just alien technology. I don't really read the comics though so I am not sure.

 

[jasoncyrus]

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True, true, but that just makes the energy requirements to create the new hyper complex atom all the more astronomical.