Is Anonymous finally showing its weaknesses?

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Kilgengoor

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Seems like Anon's been quite the talk lately-- first WikiLeaks, then the RIAA, then the GeoHot incident and finally, looks like some of its members are responsible for the PSN intrusion and subsequent outage. I've been following these events quite closely, and although I've been wondering this for quite some time, it looks more clear to me than ever: Is Anonymous finally showing its weak spot?

Now, before I go on I should probably mention that I don't consider myself part of Anonymous. I'm no good at hacking and I don't frequent 4chan or other anon-friendly sites at all. I do, however, aknowledge that Anonymous is dangerous, powerful and on occasion, right (with its silly moments, I admit). I used to read about its exploits, primarily in Encyclopedia Dramatica, and I kinda regarded them as the predator in the jungles of some of the darkest, most out-of-control sites. They kind of kept a little order, sorta like the alcoholic, belligerant Sheriff in a Western: he might be an asshole sometimes but damn you kinda end up loving him.

What makes me think Anonymous might be spiraling towards an absolute loss of power is not the fact that Anonymous is being harassed by a lot of powerful corporations / organisms, or the fact that Moot is trying to get 4chan under some semblance of control, going as far as to testify against a couple of forum users that posted some compromising photos on the boards. If anything, the last daring (or retarded, it all depends on how you interpret "pissing off some of the biggest Internet companies in the world") actions from Anonymous has showed me that its biggest strength -the fact that there's no structure, no known number of members and no official location- has worked on the big boys the same as with the pedophiles, perverts, kids, furries and whatnot. What, in my opinion is threatening the reputation and very existence of Anonymous is... well, is Anonymous. Starting with its bigger, more famous heists, Anon has gained popularity. And with its popularity the always lethal entitlement.

Some of you might say "yeah well, they've been fucking around with the Scientology Church and also got in that documentary". I won't deny it, and moreover, I also include these in the list of factors that slowly piled up until now, but none of those activities did get as much coverage as the RIAA/Pirate Bay mishap, the WikiLeaks or the PSN one. What every one of these actions has done is to swell Anon's ego, up until the point of emitting "official statements" and explaining the "reasons" behind their actions. There's a logical problem with that. You can't say things represent a group when you don't even know the approximate size of it, much less if the majority would approve of a determined action. And now with the PSN outage it's pretty clear to me that Anon is reaching the point of critical disagreement. Everyone talks for Anonymous yet no one has any kind of proof about being right. People are starting to point fingers to fellow Anons. Splinter, well-formed groups (such as AnonOps) are starting to surface to make statements related to these past events.

Anonymous might become way less anonymous in a near future.

Caesar was right about the Divide et Impera rule. If Anonymous start ratting each other, taking official stances and isolating themselves in order to solidly represent those stances Anon will soon be drained of its main power source-- that is, the anonimity and invisibility of it all. That in my opinion can have two sepparate effects: people no longer seeing a reason to be part of it anymore, and Anon losing a huge chunk of 'street cred' , meaning that more people will possibly leave the core to go solo or with small groups, and less people will form the hulk of Anonymous. I'm not saying it will explode or disappear, but it's possible that it'd wither and end up as the shadow of its former self. Just like the Mongol empire after uniting many, many belligerent individuals and groups under a single banner, keeping them together under the promise of mayhem and slaughter, it could get to the point of weakening up to the point of no longer being capable of keeping all these individuals together. And losing control over their actions means, among other things, losing part of its collective conscience and doing things that don't match with their past behavior, like dunno, stealing thousands of credit card numbers.

And y'now what? I think it's a shame. I think Anonymous is the lesser evil, and that we sould also thank them for a couple of things. Just my opinion, though.
 

Loop Stricken

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... okay?

Anonymous' weakness is people are dicks. That's some stellar news right there.
 

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Kilgengoor said:
I do, however, aknowledge that Anonymous is dangerous, powerful and on occasion, right (with its silly moments, I admit).
No, no, and eh. Seriously, nobody they've attacked consider them anything more than an annoyance. DoS attacks are a pain to deal with, sure, but they aren't going to ruin your business or do any real damage. It's people like you who glamorize and exaggerate anon that make the media freak out over it. And their targets deserve it just as often as they don't.

They are the internet equivalent of kids in high school keying their teacher's car. To treat them as something greater just encourages them to do something worse and eventually maybe even really do something wrong.
 

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Jack the Potato said:
Kilgengoor said:
I do, however, aknowledge that Anonymous is dangerous, powerful and on occasion, right (with its silly moments, I admit).
No, no, and eh. Seriously, nobody they've attacked consider them anything more than an annoyance. DoS attacks are a pain to deal with, sure, but they aren't going to ruin your business or do any real damage. It's people like you who glamorize and exaggerate anon that make the media freak out over it. And their targets deserve it just as often as they don't.

They are the internet equivalent of kids in high school keying their teacher's car. To treat them as something greater just encourages them to do something worse and eventually maybe even really do something wrong.
Basically, this. They act as if they are big boys and do crazy dangerous things, and people treating them as such will only push them to do crazier and crazier stuff.
Anon is just a giant collection of trolls, and giving them the attention they want only makes them stronger.
 

Lionsfan

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Anon isn't anything. Everything they do is overblown by the media and people on the internet. They really have no impact on the world whatsoever
 

Kolby Jack

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Unfortunately, the members of anon who themselves believe anon to be more than what it is appear to greatly outnumber the more self-aware ones. They treat like some kind crusade, eagerly awaiting their next call-to-arms. Thankfully for now the self-aware members seem to be keeping things from getting too nuts.
 

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Even if a few of the ringleader in Anonymous do turn on each other, the massive amout of people (and zombie computers) running programs like their Low Orbit Ion Cannon will still be very large and very anonymous with huge amount of processing power. If three or four people at the top get arrested, three of four more out of these thousands will step up and take their place.

Even when people speak of Anon as having no group or structure, most people still think of some kind of structute. Maybe no written documents, but at the very least leaders and followers. In actual fact, all Anon is is a time, an IP address, and a few hundred thousand instances of the LOIC firing away.
 

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Lionsfan said:
Anon isn't anything. Everything they do is overblown by the media and people on the internet. They really have no impact on the world whatsoever
Apart from all the people talking about them and, assuming it is indeed they that did Sony over, all the people wailing at the sky over their hacked account details.

Yep. No impact whatsoever.
 

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The only thing I'll thank Anon for is bringing down the WBC site.

right now, they want to disable the Iranian Governments computers and such so that the people can rebel and get their right to free speech.

its just too bad that an AK-47 isnt controlled by a computer, and the military can easily slaughter the people in the streets. If any rebelling happens in Iran, I'm blaming Anon, the blood wil be on their hands. Then maybe they can stop getting this hero worship they get for complete dickery.
 

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Kilgengoor said:
I think Anonymous is the lesser evil
I know this is pretty cliched, but the lesser evil is still evil. Just because they attack "evil" mega-corporations, that doesn't make them right. I can't say that I disagreed with many of their actions in spirit, but in a practical sense, I feel like they may end up doing more harm than good. And I often feel like even when they are "right", they take things too far. That's my two cents, though.
 

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I support wikileaks completely and anyone willing to try and hurt or comprise any corrupt or unjust thing in the world. Anonymous is fine though, they have a noble goal in my mind, but no real damage is done, they take down sites for a bit, maybe every now and then do somthing worthwhile. So far they arnt really on the government hunted list, but once they do and they are in real danger, I think that means they finaly did somthing incredible, stole somthing the government doesnt want the people to know
 

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Loop Stricken said:
Apart from all the people talking about them and, assuming it is indeed they that did Sony over, all the people wailing at the sky over their hacked account details.
Yep. Think of their "We are legion" motto. The whole are blamed for the few, especially since Anon is more a blanket title that actual organization.

Besides. It's the internet. Chances are someone's thumbing through your information right now. Hell, the U.S. Government has it in its power to use your identity and not tell you.
 

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Loop Stricken said:
Lionsfan said:
Anon isn't anything. Everything they do is overblown by the media and people on the internet. They really have no impact on the world whatsoever
Apart from all the people talking about them and, assuming it is indeed they that did Sony over, all the people wailing at the sky over their hacked account details.

Yep. No impact whatsoever.
Again...not a real impact. Not in the Real World anyway, on the internet yes it's a big deal (and rightfully so) because a lot of the people here use the PS3 and I'm sure the 100 million or so who got information stolen are mad (again, rightfully so too). But if you go outside the gaming websites/culture not many people are talking about it. In fact it's only getting the bare minimum press coverage from outlet's that aren't associated with the Gaming Culture.
 

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Anonymous are not an organization they are simply people, like any other people they can be dangerous or safe, powerful or weak. They have many weak spots and many strong spots because that's just how people are.

I've never understood the need to make anonymous seem like anything other than what it is.

DeadlyYellow said:
The U.S. Government has it in its power to use your identity and not tell you.
Go on.
 

Loop Stricken

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Lionsfan said:
Loop Stricken said:
Lionsfan said:
Anon isn't anything. Everything they do is overblown by the media and people on the internet. They really have no impact on the world whatsoever
Apart from all the people talking about them and, assuming it is indeed they that did Sony over, all the people wailing at the sky over their hacked account details.

Yep. No impact whatsoever.
Again...not a real impact. Not in the Real World anyway, on the internet yes it's a big deal (and rightfully so) because a lot of the people here use the PS3 and I'm sure the 100 million or so who got information stolen are mad (again, rightfully so too). But if you go outside the gaming websites/culture not many people are talking about it. In fact it's only getting the bare minimum press coverage from outlet's that aren't associated with the Gaming Culture.
Oh, okay. You give me your credit card details then; it's just the Internet world, it doesn't matter right?
 

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Saltyk said:
Kilgengoor said:
I think Anonymous is the lesser evil
I know this is pretty cliched, but the lesser evil is still evil. Just because they attack "evil" mega-corporations, that doesn't make them right. I can't say that I disagreed with many of their actions in spirit, but in a practical sense, I feel like they may end up doing more harm than good. And I often feel like even when they are "right", they take things too far. That's my two cents, though.
This reminds me of the hero-worship of Ernesto Guevara. El Che was a Robin Hood in his day, everyone thinks, but this "hero" was also responsible for many of Cuba's early atrocities before he left Castro to take the blame and went to go play hero on the mainland. Just because you fight bad guys to begin with does not make one inherently good.


AFTERTHOUGHT NOTE: if you believe I'm wrong about Che, then in place of hijacking the thread, accept that we disagree on what some consider a blurry historical figure.
 

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Nieroshai said:
Saltyk said:
Kilgengoor said:
I think Anonymous is the lesser evil
I know this is pretty cliched, but the lesser evil is still evil. Just because they attack "evil" mega-corporations, that doesn't make them right. I can't say that I disagreed with many of their actions in spirit, but in a practical sense, I feel like they may end up doing more harm than good. And I often feel like even when they are "right", they take things too far. That's my two cents, though.
This reminds me of the hero-worship of Ernesto Guevara. El Che was a Robin Hood in his day, everyone thinks, but this "hero" was also responsible for many of Cuba's early atrocities before he left Castro to take the blame and went to go play hero on the mainland. Just because you fight bad guys to begin with does not make one inherently good.


AFTERTHOUGHT NOTE: if you believe I'm wrong about Che, then in place of hijacking the thread, accept that we disagree on what some consider a blurry historical figure.
I can't say that I know enough about Che to really comment on it. I know a lot of people seem to hero-worship him, but I am not in that crowd. And honestly, from what I've seen, it seems more like it is popular and cool to like him more than to actually like him for anything he did. I've also heard that he was far from a "good" person. I could fix my lack of knowledge with Google, but I can't say that I care enough to do that.

From your comment, you seem to agree with me, though.
 

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Loop Stricken said:
Lionsfan said:
Loop Stricken said:
Lionsfan said:
Anon isn't anything. Everything they do is overblown by the media and people on the internet. They really have no impact on the world whatsoever
Apart from all the people talking about them and, assuming it is indeed they that did Sony over, all the people wailing at the sky over their hacked account details.

Yep. No impact whatsoever.
Again...not a real impact. Not in the Real World anyway, on the internet yes it's a big deal (and rightfully so) because a lot of the people here use the PS3 and I'm sure the 100 million or so who got information stolen are mad (again, rightfully so too). But if you go outside the gaming websites/culture not many people are talking about it. In fact it's only getting the bare minimum press coverage from outlet's that aren't associated with the Gaming Culture.
Oh, okay. You give me your credit card details then; it's just the Internet world, it doesn't matter right?
Like I said, for the 100 Million people they have every right to be mad. However...there's 300 Million people in the US alone, and the Sony consumer's are from all over the world. If this was a third of US people (or a third of any countries population for that matter) it would be a bigger deal. But since the world is made up of 6,500 Million people (or 6.5 Billion if we're gonna use different notations) statistically it has a very little impact on how the world is operating since it's only a small group (1.5385% actually) that was affected. Like I said, go outside of the affected group's media and you'll find very little coverage on the issue. Especially since it's not sure whether or not Anon was actually involved in the attacks, and people are talking more about how Sony screwed up and their response than how someone (or some group) did this.

I'm not trivializing the attacks or the effect it's had on the consumer's involved, but simply saying that "Anon might have been involved in this" doesn't make them influential in today's world as a grouping that needs to be feared. For the most part (excluding Sony since it's not certain they're involved), their "attacks" are random and more annoying than anything else. With no collective leader or goal there is no way they can be a real "force". More often than not it's just a bunch of guys pissed off at a slight they feel a company did to the consumer (which opens up a whole other can of worms) and then they "attack", crash the website, and generally steal some data (often due to the stupidity of the employee's of said company). But that's it, they're not changing the world for the better or for the worse, they're just there
 

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Saltyk said:
Nieroshai said:
Saltyk said:
Kilgengoor said:
I think Anonymous is the lesser evil
I know this is pretty cliched, but the lesser evil is still evil. Just because they attack "evil" mega-corporations, that doesn't make them right. I can't say that I disagreed with many of their actions in spirit, but in a practical sense, I feel like they may end up doing more harm than good. And I often feel like even when they are "right", they take things too far. That's my two cents, though.
This reminds me of the hero-worship of Ernesto Guevara. El Che was a Robin Hood in his day, everyone thinks, but this "hero" was also responsible for many of Cuba's early atrocities before he left Castro to take the blame and went to go play hero on the mainland. Just because you fight bad guys to begin with does not make one inherently good.


AFTERTHOUGHT NOTE: if you believe I'm wrong about Che, then in place of hijacking the thread, accept that we disagree on what some consider a blurry historical figure.
I can't say that I know enough about Che to really comment on it. I know a lot of people seem to hero-worship him, but I am not in that crowd. And honestly, from what I've seen, it seems more like it is popular and cool to like him more than to actually like him for anything he did. I've also heard that he was far from a "good" person. I could fix my lack of knowledge with Google, but I can't say that I care enough to do that.

From your comment, you seem to agree with me, though.
I do, I was highlighting how we so often as a culture justify someone's deeds because they're cool or they have a charitable justification no matter how fake it may be.