Gaymaster Nacelle said:
Erm... I was talking about fantasy humiliation, as part of the D/s scenario - a fantasy reflective of, and hence named after the actual humiliating insult against "horned husbands".
Language is polyvalent. The qualitative meaning of words can change depending on how and under what context a person uses them. The term "******" was a descriptor which became an insult due to the perceived negative characteristics of people it described, for example, but today it can be used either with or without those insulting implications depending on context and intent. The same with "queer".
When people use these words positively and affirmatively, they aren't denying that they were ever insults, but they're also not using them as insults, they're using them as a kind of knowing inversion of critique of the ideology which made them insults in the first place. People who engage in cuckolding or describe themselves as cuckolds don't necessarily feel insulted or "humiliated" by the word. Cuckolding was adopted in BDSM circles as a positive affirmation of the validity of the sex act it describes. Why is it necessary to view the term as essentially humiliating?
Words, including insults, rely on the acceptance of shared meaning. In this case, there is no clear shared meaning. You could hypothetically use any word as an insult by simply using it in a particular tone and context, but if it's not immediately apparent what you mean then it's probably not a very good insult.
Gaymaster Nacelle said:
What you say has been "recently renamed" into open relationships and polyamory, I've always called open relationships and polyamory - distinguishing it from swinging not because of negative connotations but because I associated swinging with like group orgy sessions and those are distinct from general open relationships?
The term "polyamory" was only invented a decade or two ago and is already controversial. Swinging, on the other hand, dates to the 70s at least. A lot of what today would be called polyamory was until quite recently described as swinging, because that was one of the few commonly understood terms to describe it.
Anyone can make up words or decide to use words differently if they don't like the words that exist, see "hotwifing". The thing is, just because you've decided what words mean doesn't mean everyone else still disagrees. There are swingers who follow a very stereotypical relationship pattern of living like a normal couple and then arranging hookups on the internet or going to parties, but reality means that some swingers will develop long term networks of other swingers and end up doing something which you might associate more with polyamory. However, they might still call it swinging, especially if they come from that generation before the term polyamory existed or to keep up contact within the scene.
Also, most swinging parties are not necessarily group orgy sessions. They usually take place in private houses, and there will be a group room and several private rooms. Not everyone who is into swinging is into group sex, and some swinging relationships don't allow it, indeed, most people who go to swinger parties (or private fetish parties) don't actually participate for their first couple of parties, or will only have sex with established partners.
Gaymaster Nacelle said:
Um no, you're confusing passive and active here - I hadn't been "poked"; I did the poking, though technically it was a use mention thing; or perhaps use+mention (i.e. construction craft^^).
That's just your perspective. From my perspective, Baffle did the poking with the basement dweller comment and you responded by replying to his thread. The reason why you think you responded or the quality of your argument doesn't matter, what matters is my PHUN and lulz, which is entirely independent of your perception of the situation. It doesn't matter whether you think you responded in a way which was amusing or "voluptuous", I can decide for you that you did, because in this hypothetical scenario I'm an idiot and I don't need the participation of other human beings to amuse myself. I can sit here mentally jacking off on the notion that you got TRIGGERED and emotionally reacted without requiring any genuine interaction or exchange of shared meaning which might result in a shared experience. You don't need to understand why or how you've been humiliated or exposed in this scenario, you have because I've decided you have. Why else would you have responded at all?
Gaymaster Nacelle said:
If you want to reduce me to tears, you're gonna have to do much better than this I fear....
That's exactly what someone who hated fun and was crying big salty tears would say.