Is finding aliens a good idea?

[pulse2]

Okay, no matter what you may believe, yay or nay, in the interest of dicussion, do you think the determination to find others like ourselves is such a good idea? (No matter how long it takes) Brought this up because there has been a lot of alien related news recently.

First of all, you have the fact that humans are destructive in nature, we are sure to spark an intergalactic war with them eventually, thats if they don't declare one on us first.

Second, if they DO have much better technology I hardly doubt they'd want to associate with our primitive ways, some people treat animals on our own planet as though they are stupid, aliens will have us in test chambers and such studying our caveman like behaviour.

Thirdly, we have resources they might want, they have resources we might want, how do we settle that trade civilised.

Fourth, we still have racism and sexism on this planet we haven't yet gotten rid of, how would we adapt to other new beings?

Discuss the pros and cons.

 

[Colour Scientist]

It would be a pretty terrible idea, as of now. There're so many problems here at the moment we should probably attempt to tend to those before we get ourselves caught up in an intergalactic war, which will inevitable happen. It'll probably be sparked by us as we'll probably attempt to exploit any resources they have.

Having said that, no amount of reason is going to quell human curiosity so the search will continue. I don't think money going into space exploration is a necessarily a waste but if we can't take care of our own species or planet properly alien contact will only bring more complication.

That and I think we'll only be disappointed by their appearance given the variety of aliens we've created ourselves.

It's a stupid idea but I would, more than likely, whole-heartedly support it, regardless of logic.

 

[gostlyfantom]

YES its a good idea so that we can kill them and harvest their organs! in reality though yes its a good idea, we just have to hope that they arent fucking tools!

 

[TeeBs]

which will inevitable happen. It'll probably be sparked by us

Your comparing apples and... undiscovered elements. Yes we seem violent and manipulative, compared to dumb founded animals who don't know any better, but we have no proof that aliens are more peaceful then us.

BTW this is aimed at OP as well.

 

[Colour Scientist]

which will inevitable happen. It'll probably be sparked by us

Your comparing apples and... undiscovered elements. Yes we seem violent and manipulative, compared to dumb founded animals who don't know any better, but we have no proof that aliens are more peaceful then us.

BTW this is aimed at OP as well.

I just realised I typed "inevitable happen", smooth.


Well, I'm going by the way we've treated other, previously undiscovered, humans in the past, who may as well have been aliens at the time. Like when Europeans first went to America, the natives who weren't killed by disease were worked to death.
We don't have the best track record.

 

[RatRace123]

I say it is. We have no way of knowing what types of life are out there beyond looking for them and making contact with them. It'll (probably) happen eventually, and mankind won't ever truly be "ready" for it, why not make it happen sooner rather than later?

We don't know that it'll end in war, it could just as easily end in friendship (and hopefully entrance into the larger galactic society, but that's just wishful thinking on my part.)

 

[pulse2]

which will inevitable happen. It'll probably be sparked by us

Your comparing apples and... undiscovered elements. Yes we seem violent and manipulative, compared to dumb founded animals who don't know any better, but we have no proof that aliens are more peaceful then us.

BTW this is aimed at OP as well.

Lol, that's why I said this: "First of all, you have the fact that humans are destructive in nature, we are sure to spark an intergalactic war with them eventually, thats if they don't declare one on us first."

As destructive as we are, at least we know the extent to which we are capable of, we have no idea what hides in space, giants 10 times our size, or planets so advanced they could vapourise us in a blink of an eye, is that really what we are so determined to find?

And when we do find them, what then? Make contact? How? They don't speak English, I'll be damn well shocked if they did, lol. Our attempts at asking for peace might infact be a global insult to them.

 

[Binerexis]

I always have a bit of a giggle at the notion that aliens would put humans in test chambers to see how they'd react when there's an entire planet filled with people that they can observe.

 

[Daverson]

Yes. The potential benefits far outweigh any possible malefits*.

We'll inevitably have disagreements with alien races, if we do find them, some would argue even conflict would be a certainty, but we'd have the potential to learn things we couldn't even dream of now, even it were from a species that, technologically speaking, wasn't as developed as ourselves.

Right now, we can only view things from a human perspective. Until we meet another species that has the capability to communicate logical information like we do, this isn't going to change.

(*This is an undiscovered word I've scientifically extrapolated - it relate to benefits the same way malefactors relates to benefactors, I challenge everyone to use it in a sentence sometime this week)

 

[Jamboxdotcom]

definitely not a good idea. i've always held the belief (long before it became mainstream (yeah, "i liked that before it was popular!")) that even if we contacted a peaceful alien race, there would be war, because we would start one. this would be due either to simple xenophobia, or to greed, or fear outside of xenophobia. basically, either "kill them because they're different" or "kill them for their stuff" or "kill them before they kill us".

 

[TeeBs]

which will inevitable happen. It'll probably be sparked by us

Your comparing apples and... undiscovered elements. Yes we seem violent and manipulative, compared to dumb founded animals who don't know any better, but we have no proof that aliens are more peaceful then us.

BTW this is aimed at OP as well.

I just realised I typed "inevitable happen", smooth.


Well, I'm going by the way we've treated other, previously undiscovered, humans in the past, who may as well have been aliens at the time. Like when Europeans first went to America, the natives who weren't killed by disease were worked to death.
We don't have the best track record.

Honestly though, ever since we stopped seeing the world as black and white *or to make this statement seem less confusing White Christian Male and everyone else* and started to see it as people being people there has been a push for equality, I would assume that by the time we make it to another planet the world would have reached a social climate where even the slightest mistreatment of these aliens would be treated with huge political backfire.

 

[HigherTomorrow]

Why does everyone assume alien life is more advanced than us?

What if we find a planet (with intelligent life) that's about 50 or so years behind us in technological advances. Do we kick their ass instead?

 

[TeeBs]

which will inevitable happen. It'll probably be sparked by us

Your comparing apples and... undiscovered elements. Yes we seem violent and manipulative, compared to dumb founded animals who don't know any better, but we have no proof that aliens are more peaceful then us.

BTW this is aimed at OP as well.

Lol, that's why I said this: "First of all, you have the fact that humans are destructive in nature, we are sure to spark an intergalactic war with them eventually, thats if they don't declare one on us first."

As destructive as we are, at least we know the extent to which we are capable of, we have no idea what hides in space, giants 10 times our size, or planets so advanced they could vapourise us in a blink of an eye, is that really what we are so determined to find?

And when we do find them, what then? Make contact? How? They don't speak English, I'll be damn well shocked if they did, lol. Our attempts at asking for peace might infact be a global insult to them.

Well if Sci-fi is any what correct we would spend years studying them from space, seeing if they have some form of media and then we would try to translate using that the same way a baby learns to speak without knowing any form of language or context at birth. Which seems like the logical choice.

And assuming they are a space faring race before we discover them chances are they already know of us, and if they don't they have probably already found other alien races and has a certain way of dealing with it.

Also I never really got what makes Earth resources so valuable, other then life what resource do we have that is worth raping our civilization from a moral point of view, and if a alien race has reached a point of space travel they must have some moral system.

 

[Hectix777]

Okay, no matter what you may believe, yay or nay, in the interest of dicussion, do you think the determination to find others like ourselves is such a good idea? (No matter how long it takes) Brought this up because there has been a lot of alien related news recently.

First of all, you have the fact that humans are destructive in nature, we are sure to spark an intergalactic war with them eventually, thats if they don't declare one on us first.

Second, if they DO have much better technology I hardly doubt they'd want to associate with our primitive ways, some people treat animals on our own planet as though they are stupid, aliens will have us in test chambers and such studying our caveman like behaviour.

Thirdly, we have resources they might want, they have resources we might want, how do we settle that trade civilised.

Fourth, we still have racism and sexism on this planet we haven't yet gotten rid of, how would we adapt to other new beings?

Discuss the pros and cons.

I actually have a theory on that. Supposedly, all intelligent lifeforms came bacteria that evolved to there high evolutionary status. A couple of days ago, some bacteria that were fossilized in a meteor were discovered, several local to Earth the other unidentifiable. If you know the moon, you know it was made when a meteror hit Earth pretty early on in the milky way galaxy. What if this celestial object came from the center of our galaxy, a percect launching zone for any highly advanced society to launch supposed xenobiology observations by creating planets with bacteria specifically alterred by them to be launched to other star systems to analyze the bacteria's evolutionand the development of their culture in specific orbits of specific stars with other celestial bodies. If so, said meteor that hit the Earth may have been the Original Earth, one the advanced aliens hand in mind to be the observed planet hat had the bacteria that would become man. When they saw that the, let's call them XBOSS(Xeno Biological Observation and Study Satelite) of the intend planet collided with another they left unaccounted, they performed other studies in other systems because that believe all potential life wasndesteoyes in the collision, when in reality we survived and thrived. Possibly, after years of study, the aliens would have decided to send another XBOSS to the failed system and see if life would evolve again because they theorized that the damage from the two celestial bodies must have subsided by now. If they have seen Earth now, I'm pretty sure they would either resume monitoring us, try to establish first contact, or take closure in it. Maybe they won't enslave us, so much as teach, because in a way they would see us as their children. Supposedly/theorized similar to Egypt.

 

[Colour Scientist]

Honestly though, ever since we stopped seeing the world as black and white *or to make this statement seem less confusing White Christian Male and everyone else* and started to see it as people being people there has been a push for equality, I would assume that by the time we make it to another planet the world would have reached a social climate where even the slightest mistreatment of these aliens would be treated with huge political backfire.

The push for equality is extremely gradual. Assuming we do reach that point the aliens will still be, well, alien to us. Humans treating other humans equally seems more plausible than treating the unknown equally.

Of course, there would be opposition if the aliens were being mistreated but I imagine that for a majority of people fear of the unknown would over-ride their ethics.

 

[pulse2]

I always have a bit of a giggle at the notion that aliens would put humans in test chambers to see how they'd react when there's an entire planet filled with people that they can observe.

You can't poke the planet with an alien stick to see how it reacts, lol

Back on topic, I dread to think what would happen say the beings were in fact primative, would we put them in cages and invade thier planet for all thier resources? Or would we do as we like to dream about and just observe thier culture.

Avatar was on to something with it's plot, business is business, as soon as the word of a newly discovered healthy planet with resources surfaces, every country will be attempting to get there to rinse it of all it's resources.

 

[LongAndShort]

For us, sure. It'll probably unite the planet in order to defend ourselves from the common threat, bringing an era of peace and prosperity to the planet proper.

For the first aliens we meet... well... being the grand unifying threat has some disadvantages that they may or may not see coming.

 

[Antari]

I'm still convinced that any sufficiently advanced species that stumbled onto this planet would destroy it to stop the spread of the infection.

 

[TeeBs]

Honestly though, ever since we stopped seeing the world as black and white *or to make this statement seem less confusing White Christian Male and everyone else* and started to see it as people being people there has been a push for equality, I would assume that by the time we make it to another planet the world would have reached a social climate where even the slightest mistreatment of these aliens would be treated with huge political backfire.

The push for equality is extremely gradual. Assuming we do reach that point the aliens will still be, well, alien to us. Humans treating other humans equally seems more plausible than treating the unknown equally.

Of course, there would be opposition if the aliens were being mistreated but I imagine that for a majority of people fear of the unknown would over-ride their ethics.

What is truly unknown though, I would assume any space ship capable of space travel would also have a telescope capable of seeing farther then they can even travel, its not like they are going to jump into lightspeed without knowing there going to end up in a dark hole or an alien space fleet capable of blasting us to chunks.

I would assume we would observe for quite a long time before we attempt to make contact.

 

[Antari]

Honestly though, ever since we stopped seeing the world as black and white *or to make this statement seem less confusing White Christian Male and everyone else* and started to see it as people being people there has been a push for equality, I would assume that by the time we make it to another planet the world would have reached a social climate where even the slightest mistreatment of these aliens would be treated with huge political backfire.

The push for equality is extremely gradual. Assuming we do reach that point the aliens will still be, well, alien to us. Humans treating other humans equally seems more plausible than treating the unknown equally.

Of course, there would be opposition if the aliens were being mistreated but I imagine that for a majority of people fear of the unknown would over-ride their ethics.

What is truly unknown though, I would assume any space ship capable of space travel would also have a telescope capable of seeing farther then they can even travel, its not like they are going to jump into lightspeed without knowing there going to end up in a dark hole or an alien space fleet capable of blasting us to chunks.

I would assume we would observe for quite a long time before we attempt to make contact.

Ummm ... we've already sent out signals to contact alien races, the radio waves are still travelling out from our solar system. Your a bit late.