Is life getting too f*cking complicated for our own good as a society?

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Or more specifically as human beings?

After reading an interesting observational news bit, [https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/07/02/a-millennial-therapist-brings-up-the-biggest-complaint-they-bring-up-in-therapy.html] even as a circa-Gen X?er I can totally see where these millennials are coming from. I don?t envy them at all trying to navigate this clusterfuck that previous generations have created for them. Not sure how much different things are in other countries, but I?m sure they have their own unique struggles too.
 

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Any choice a millennial makes is going to be wrong in this age of inter-generational warfare. Nothing they do will ever be good enough until they lose both legs in the Second World War.
 

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Kids have too much time and choice on their hands, that's true, gone are the good old days where you were sent to work in the mines as a 14 year old, or maybe went into construction, or helped your da' in his carpentry / milk delivery business.

You just grew up and simply did what you were told, all this modern individualism is making us all weak.
 

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I don't think the problems from youths who can afford to consult a therapist accurately reflect society as a whole.
 

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*sighs* When nubs think RL should be like linear, class based MMORPG's.

CaitSeith said:
I don't think the problems from youths who can afford to consult a therapist accurately reflect society as a whole.
THIS. In addition, most do not have enough options rather than too many. This is an affluenza problem more so than a generational problem. Most people, Millennial or otherwise cannot even afford a therapist to complain to in the first place. Wealthy people have choices, everyone else does not.
 

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bluegate said:
Kids have too much time and choice on their hands, that's true, gone are the good old days where you were sent to work in the mines as a 14 year old, or maybe went into construction, or helped your da' in his carpentry / milk delivery business.

You just grew up and simply did what you were told, all this modern individualism is making us all weak.
Life really was easier when you died at 30. Who has time to have a midlife crisis at 15 when you have blacklung and the baby is sick with the fever
 

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Lil devils x said:
*sighs* When nubs think RL should be like linear, class based MMORPG's.

CaitSeith said:
I don't think the problems from youths who can afford to consult a therapist accurately reflect society as a whole.
THIS. In addition, most do not have enough options rather than too many. This is an affluenza problem more so than a generational problem. Most people, Millennial or otherwise cannot even afford a therapist to complain to in the first place. Wealthy people have choices, everyone else does not.
This TWICE; you got to it before I did. I stopped reading that bullshit at ?decision fatigue.? Give me a damn break, the gall to even publish this nonsense. The day I?m supposed to have compassion for the affluent who are apparently clinically fatigued from having to choose from the myriad paths in life that so many people (like myself) don?t even see as OPTIONS is the day I?ll sprout wings, grow gills and gain the ability to eat coal and shit diamonds. This is genuinely upsetting, the idea that those with too much to choose from merit some kind of sympathy. Wait a tic; I?m starting to get it, this ?decision? fatigue: should I hate these people a little bit, a LOT of bit, or ALL of it? Decisions, decisions?
 

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Eh, I could see some truth in it. I might be reading the article wrong, but I don't see this as an affluenza thing (excepting the sample you get from talking to people in therapy). Everyone is faced with decisions that will affect their life, everyone has opportunities to mess things up (possibly badly), and often the right choice isn't obvious.

This is not a new thing, though.
 

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Thaluikhain said:
Eh, I could see some truth in it. I might be reading the article wrong, but I don't see this as an affluenza thing (excepting the sample you get from talking to people in therapy). Everyone is faced with decisions that will affect their life, everyone has opportunities to mess things up (possibly badly), and often the right choice isn't obvious.

This is not a new thing, though.
Agreed, both there?s some truth in it and it?s nothing new; ?decision fatigue? is a nonsensical way of saying ?stress.? I personally feel far less empathy for those who can afford therapy to talk about their stress, and I?m not a fan that they get a fancy clinical term to describe it. Is someone living in a one bedroom, low income apartment who?s not sure where his next meal might be coming from simply be suffering from ?poverty fatigue??
 

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Xprimentyl said:
Is someone living in a one bedroom, low income apartment who?s not sure where his next meal might be coming from simply be suffering from ?poverty fatigue??
Though I get where you're coming from, poverty fatigue is surely a thing? The distinction, I suppose, between living in poverty (poverty) and thinking you'll always be living in poverty, with no way out and no real hope of getting out (poverty fatigue).
 

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Baffle2 said:
Xprimentyl said:
Is someone living in a one bedroom, low income apartment who?s not sure where his next meal might be coming from simply be suffering from ?poverty fatigue??
Though I get where you're coming from, poverty fatigue is surely a thing? The distinction, I suppose, between living in poverty (poverty) and thinking you'll always be living in poverty, with no way out and no real hope of getting out (poverty fatigue).
These quacks don?t? need any more buzz words. ?Poverty fatigue? is five syllables; ?stress? is only one syllable and the same damn thing.

Ya? hear that, millennials? You?re STRESSED, just like the rest of us. Not our fault you got in line later than the rest of us; you don?t? get to show up late to the party and start renaming the shit we?ve all already been dealing with just to get special pity. Pour a drink, sit down and shut up; it?ll all be over soon, sweethearts.
 

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We've completely cut ourselves off mentally and physically from the world that grows us, in pursuit of abstract systems we're all collectively forced to follow, while the waste, suffering and destruction those systems generate, that we try to keep out of sight and mind, have built to the point we must either acknowledge and change or ignore and destroy the world which supports us and other life.
And we continue to choose to elect people who just increase the speed of the train over the cliff, because we have an uncontrollable urge for death because we believe there's another better world beyond this one.
So, yes.
 

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Kwak said:
We've completely cut ourselves off mentally and physically from the world that grows us, in pursuit of abstract systems we're all collectively forced to follow, while the waste, suffering and destruction those systems generate, that we try to keep out of sight and mind, have built to the point we must either acknowledge and change or ignore and destroy the world which supports us and other life.
And we continue to choose to elect people who just increase the speed of the train over the cliff, because we have an uncontrollable urge for death because we believe there's another better world beyond this one.
So, yes.
I'd say thinking there is a better world beyond this one is the opposite of a complicated life; because it reduces life to just a test of endurance.
 

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Xprimentyl said:
These quacks don?t? need any more buzz words. ?Poverty fatigue? is five syllables; ?stress? is only one syllable and the same damn thing.

Ya? hear that, millennials? You?re STRESSED, just like the rest of us. Not our fault you got in line later than the rest of us; you don?t? get to show up late to the party and start renaming the shit we?ve all already been dealing with just to get special pity. Pour a drink, sit down and shut up; it?ll all be over soon, sweethearts.
Not accurate though. I'm stressed because I have too much work and not enough time, but I don't have poverty fatigue because I'm quite a long way from poverty. And stress about poverty is just not the same as stress about having too much work (I can see a way out).

Not sure what the situation is in the US (I'm in the UK), but millennials have it so much worse that the previous generations, and they really are dealing with more than we had to. They're stuck in a need-to-have-it-all environment (that they didn't create) combined with a fuck-all-chance-of-getting-anything environment (that they didn't create) while people tell them they're feckless and lazy because they don't having it all. Eh, I sympathise.
 

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You know, my reply to the old platitude that socialism is incompatible with human nature is the following: there's so much weird, abstract, convoluted horseshit that people simply accept despite having no grounding in material reality that a socialist economy wouldn't be anywhere near the weirdest thing a society has adapted to. Daily life is full of frightening absurdities and alienating abstractions. While having "too many choices" is in many ways a privilege, the problem these people are facing is one less privileged people are facing as well, just in a different way. Think about it. You finish school. You look for a job. You realize you have no idea what you're actually good at, what you'd enjoy doing and if you're even capable of learning a specific occupation. But all around you there's a society saying "Find a way to get food on the table, because we sure as hell aren't gonna take care of it." You're lost, your afraid, you have no idea what to do. And suddenly every choice that's open to you seems like a trap that might very well lead to a life, or at least a very long period, of suffering.

And that's what it's like, being in your early twenties. A time when most people would do well to work on themselves, in my experience. People say that millenials are immature but that's because they've spent most of their lifes as adults in a state of crushing uncertainty which, I think, actively stifles personal growth. What helps us grow is challenge, not existential dread. The generation growing up no has every reason not to believe in a stable future, neither for themselves, nor for the world at large.

What else is there but to long for a simpler life? Sure you can treat the millenial love for low brow pop culture; video games, super hero movies, cartoons and so on, as symptoms of arrested development but for many of them childhood was the only point in their lifes when they had no reason to be afraid of the near future.

Maybe Pol Pot had the right idea. Maybe we'd all be better off living in primitive communes, chopping wood and ploughing fields until we die of a cold in our early 30s. I'm joking, of course. I think all the wonderful technology we have could help us live a simpler and happier life. But instead it's making us feel even more alienated. It's miserable, that's what it is.
 
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Bah, Millenials! They just need to do what us generation Xers did. Pump yourselves full drugs to the point where you don't care about anything else. Didn't do us any harm!
 

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Sometimes I miss the pleasant naivety of the past before I realised everytime I buy a computer or a pair of shoes I just probably helped to exploit some poor child labourer or something on the other side of the world.
 

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I thought most of us were millennials. How many people are older than 40 on here?