144 said:
Whatislove said:
144 said:
Whatislove said:
Just a friendly reminder that Nintendo has sold more Wii U consoles than Microsoft has sold Xbox Ones.
Hardware sales were/are slow, but they do pick up with big game launches. If ~7.3m consoles is abysmal then Microsoft must really be in trouble with only 5.5m Xbone sales.
The Wii U has more on the table in the not-too-distant future than the Xbone and PS4 do as well, It doesn't seem to be stopping the PS4 sales though (mine's been collecting dust since I finished infamous second son :/).
The Xbox One is likely sold at a loss, the PS4 sells for a small profit, and as is traditional Nintendo style, the Wii U sells for a profit. I never had any doubts Nintendo would "turn it around", not that I thought operating at a loss for such a short time was a bad thing anyway.
Nintendo's first ever operating loss was in 2012, their second ever in 2013.
Microsoft's gaming division operated at huge losses for 8 straight years from the year 2000; and Sony operated at losses ranging from half a billion to more than 1 billion for 4 years from 2006.
Nintendo's losses have been minuscule in comparison to others in the industry, $220 million in 2012, which is the lowest ever reported loss from any of the 3 big companies apart from Sony in 1995 who lost $93 million, and then under $500 million for 2013. These were far from worrying figures for an $18.4 billion dollar company (Sony is only worth $17.7 billion).
All the ludicrous Nintendo is doomed talk over the last few years has really been blown out of proportion... even if things continued on that 2 year "trend" (which obviously hasn't happened), we would be at least 10 years off seeing Nintendo die/turn into Sega.
TL;DR Companies are allowed to report losses, it happens, it happens all the time. Reporting losses for 2 years isn't the end of the world. If Nintendo's Wii U sales are "abysmal" then the Xbox One's sales must be truly in the shit. Nintendo has more big releases in the holiday period and early 2015 than either the PS4/X1 to help boost sales, and above all else, the 3DS is still the best selling console (not just out of handhelds).
Ok, but that's not good either. If you're a Nintendo fan, be happy when Nintendo does well. But don't be happy when Microsoft doesn't - we want "gaming" to be healthy. It's just as obnoxious to be spouting gloom now for MS as it was when people were doing it for Nintendo.
Where was I spouting doom for MS?
I said that MS operated at huge losses for 8 years in a row and they are still around, I was using at the prime example for the reason Nintendo wasn't in any real trouble.
I also said that Nintendo has sold more Wii U consoles than MS had sold Xbox One consoles, but that was just simply fact, and I use that statement to reiterate that the Wii U sales are not
that bad, and if they are considered abysmal, then why is the X1 considered a success (at this point in time)?
I never once said MS were headed for doom, or that they were in trouble, and I certainly didn't mean for my post to be portrayed that way.
P.S I'm not an anyone fan, I have a PS3, PS4, PS Vita, Xbox 360, Gamecube, Wii U, 3DS XL, and a gaming PC. I don't discriminate, there should be an Xbox One added to the collection at some point before christmas.
First of all, as I implied to gmaverick019 above, listing your credentials means nothing. It's the same as wearing a black belt you bought from a costume store. A martial artist can fight in any outfit, and if your argument is good, it'll stand on its own. Watch this: I have every console. Are my arguments better now? Do you think I'm telling the truth? And if you really do own every console, show it by being knowledgeable when you speak.
Second: the phrasing of your post led me to my conclusions regarding your intentions. I also think there are a variety of stats that you haven't cited (I don't think nefariously) that would tell a more full story. The earlier lightknight post takes care of that, though.
Dude.. what is wrong with you?
Twice now you have basically personally attacked me for no reason...
You assumed (wrongly) that I said Microsoft would fail (or that I wanted it to fail?), even though I said nothing of the sort, in fact, I was using Microsoft's
success despite their initial financial setbacks as an example for why a company can report losses a few years in a row and not be "doomed".
I used factual console sales to gently remind people that the Wii U console sales are not that bad, it is usually the primary argument for "doomsayers" of Nintendo, but they aren't in third place, Microsoft is currently in third place... but it's not a bad third place. 7.3 million and 5.5 million consoles respectively is far from a failure this early in to the generation (though the Wii U has been in this generation for longer).
What stats have I not cited?
There was no need to cite any other stats because I wasn't damning another company, I wasn't saying any company was in trouble, I was using industry figures from a variety of companies to show that operating at losses (sometimes significantly large ones) isn't the end of the world.
Was I supposed to mention that Microsoft made money during those periods from other sources? Does it matter? Big companies like Microsoft would not keep a one billion dollar a year drain on their finances if they didn't think they could turn it around and make it profitable, which they did, and they are now in a good spot.
I even mentioned that Sony (the company as a whole, not just the gaming division) is worth less than Nintendo, and as far as finances go, Sony are in worse shape than Nintendo, and much worse off than Microsoft (who are easily the most financially stable)... but you didn't accuse me of damning Sony (which would be nonsensical anyway considering I've defended their financial stance in other threads on a number of occasions).
Literally the only thing I was saying in my first post was Nintendo doom talk was way too premature and, based on industry numbers and financials from the last 20 years, reporting losses for a relatively short period of time is not something to get too worried about; other companies (and divisions of companies) have been in worse spots before and have managed to completely turn it around.
If you are referring to the sentence: "The Xbox One is likely sold at a loss, the PS4 sells for a small profit, and as is traditional Nintendo style, the Wii U sells for a profit" as some kind of negative for Microsoft, then you have completely misinterpreted the sentence.
It's all but confirmed that the Xbox One console costs Microsoft more than they sell it to us for, so it is selling at a loss, this is not a bad thing and certainly not out of the ordinary for the industry... the PS3 sold at a loss for the majority of it's life cycle.
Sony confirmed that the PS4 is sold for a very small profit ($18 per console) after speculations they were selling it at a loss.
Nintendo rarely sell their hardware at a loss, because they are a different type of company, they don't have finances from other divisions to offset selling hardware at a loss.
To touch on 1), I wasn't listing my credentials... if I wanted to do that I would have mentioned my current job position, but I didn't, because although fairly relevant to the topic at hand, it isn't pertinent. I wasn't listing my consoles to bolster an argument that doesn't exist (I literally have no idea what argument you think I am trying to make here...), You passive aggressively accused me of being a Nintendo fan, all I was trying to tell you was that I was a
gaming fan. Hell, if I was going to pick a "favourite" company, it would be Sony... Sony platforms are the home of most of my favourite games.
I would just as quickly defend any of the 3 company's positions and financials (and I have in the case of Sony, Microsoft has never needed such a defense because their position has always been a good one, even when it
looked like it's gaming division wasn't in a good one), and I would most likely use much of the same stats and numbers that I used in my original post to defend either Sony or MS if there was ever a need in the future.
I really don't know what I have done to offend you so personally, especially after not even coming close to doing what you originally accused me of, which was spouting doom for MS.
Literally the only thing I was trying to say in my first was post was that
Nintendo was not headed for doom just because they reported losses for two years. That's it, that's all I was saying.
I was
NOT saying "MS is headed for doom", "X company is headed for doom", "I hate X company", "X company is in a bad position".
If you really feel I have neglected to say something, or if you could point me specifically to the part where you think I said Microsoft was headed for doom, I would be more than happy to clear the air.
P.S "And if you really do own every console,
show it by being knowledgeable when you speak."
I'm not quite sure how I wasn't being knowledgeable, none of what I said was false, and some of the things I said are not common knowledge, even among gamers, which is why I said them.
P.P.S "
And if you really do own every console, show it by being knowledgeable when you speak."
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The only thing not pictured is my Gamecube, because I don't play it that often. This doesn't mean my "arguments" mean more now, whatever "arguments" you think I was trying to make, and I would never claim it would somehow bolster my non-existent arguments, but it should appease your worries that I am some nefarious Nintendo fanboy.