In what possible way would a 3rd Party Developer putting an exclusive game on non-Nintendo systems result in Nintendo making more money? How does that happen?LysanderNemoinis said:
Is Nintendo Back? Company Reports Unexpected Profits
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Wow, methinks you're a bit more biased than you think I am. I never said the WiiU was shitty and despite owning a PS3 and loving the crap out of it, I'm not a fanatically fanboy. I for one, couldn't shrug at Uncharted any harder without dislocating my shoulders. My reasoning is not that WiiU is shit, but that the average WiiU owner is not the type of person to be in the market for a game like Bayonetta 2. I would buy a WiiU if I had the money (and it had more games that I was interested in than a couple), but I don't and it doesn't. That's not me being bitchy and pissy about it, just clearly stating my feelings on the subject.Razhem said:
Bayonetta 2's exclusivity bothers me because a lot of fans of the original aren't going to buy a WiiU just to play the sequel. Nintendo can have all the third-party exclusives it wants, but I'd prefer if they were original IPs rather than sequels to originally multiplatform games. Remember Eternal Darkness? That game was frigging awesome, and it sold less than half a million units. Why? Because it was on the GameCube. If Nintendo had made it a timed exclusive or something, or had bonus Ninty-flavored content like Bayonetta's special outfits and then released for the other systems, Nintendo would have made MORE money in the long run and that IP could have blossomed into a full franchise.
And as for my little example, I'll admit it wasn't perfect because those games are first party, and I should have said something like Final Fantasy, but the point ultimately still stands.
Yeah, never bought the whole "Nintendoomed!" idea, considering people were saying the same thing about the Wii...and the Gamecube.
And the N64. And the SNES, and...well, you get the point.
Anyway, if they continue to keep up the pace by releasing a steady supply of solid games for the Wii U, they may be able to fully pull the system out of its early nosedive.
And the N64. And the SNES, and...well, you get the point.
Anyway, if they continue to keep up the pace by releasing a steady supply of solid games for the Wii U, they may be able to fully pull the system out of its early nosedive.
More like the "early nosedive" was just typical launch doldrums only they were compounded by 3rd parties being a bunch of dickbags because Nintendo didn't worship the ground they tread on. And to think after this we still have SSB, Captain Toad, and the coming year with stuff like Xenoblade, Splatoon, Yoshi's Woolly World, Kirby and the Rainbow Curse, Mario Maker, Zelda, Devil's Third, and probably a few other titles they're keeping under wraps.marioandsonic said:
...Or it could be that Pachter is just irritated that, having failed to heed his advice that Nintendo offer up its properties to every mobile device on the market, Nintendo hasn't experienced a resultant withering.StewShearer said:
Can we please, please find another expert to cite on these matters...?
Personally this is the issue I have with Nintendo, ask the fans what games are avalaible and you get Mario, Zelda and Kirby. 3 old and boring franchises that I don't give a damn about. What they need to be giving examples of are things like Xenoblade (as you did), Wonderful 101, Fire Emblem (I think this is 3DS though), Bayonetta and other newer more interesting games.Aiddon said:
The problem I have with Mario and co is that it's always the same story, Princess Peach forgets to hire security and Bowser kidnaps her because.... he's lonely? So Mario once again sets off to save her AGAIN rather than say "stuff it if you can't be assed to get better security" and the game quickly feels like the same thing I played in 1995. Yes the gameplay has advanced but to be frank it's story that interests me more than anything in a game and Mario has the weakest I have ever seen, it's a snore fest.
Zelda from what I hear isn't much better (unlike Mario I haven't actually played Zelda yet however plan to get Windwaker and Hyrule Warrior when I get a Wii U). The issue is that these games are marketed to kids so they keep the stories so simple and bland, this is the real issue. It's not the colour or the gameplay, it's that the story and game feels so dumbed down for kids that it puts me to sleep.
EDIT: Actually no I take that back, it's the overzealous fans that shove their love for Mario down your throat and harass those that don't love their favorite remake that turns me off Nintendo more than anything else. Esp since they always focus on 1 or 2 games it makes the system sound bland when in actuality there are interesting titles if you go looking.
Looks like I'm not the only one either....Neronium said:
First, I'm quoting this even though I know you've made another post since. It relates to emphasis on the original issue.LysanderNemoinis said:
Did you not see the "smallest violin" picture? Did you not understand it? Because in your subsequent post, you remained whiny. The implication of the gif is that "hey, we don't all get what we want". Back in the day, I wanted Journey and LBP. But oh well. Wrong system. But I enjoyed plenty of other games.
What I didn't do was make up shit and pretend it was good business advice, like that LBP should be a pc game for Sony's benefit.
So suck it up. If you really want Bayonetta, you'll have to just buy a Wii U. Can't afford it? Haha. I could. My big TV and new furniture are really nice too. And if I one day want something enough on a PS4, instead of lying about economics, I'll get a PS4. Because I'm an adult with disposable income, and not a whiny kid.
It's not just you. I think a coinflip or goat who points at newspaper clippings would be as reliable as his predictions, but he acts like he's Nostradamus if he's right 1 in 10 times. Which Nostradamus would probably have killed for, but still.HaileStorm said:
I under stand your view but your commenting on the tip of Ignorance.RicoADF said:
The Zelda series though have similar themes can have completely different stories. Majora's Mask and nothing about that game is simple or bland (and most games are for kids). You'll enjoy WW I think.
If you want a deep story in Mario that isn't the same thing try the RPGs (ds and paper), i'd like a console Mario RPG too.
But I agree, Nintendo need more than the staples that made them house hold names hell, bring back ones they've left behind. If Nintendo did more like what they did with the 3 RPGs in Operation Rainfall maybe there'd be less skepticism and more competition.
It annoys me that Nintendo supported Guilty Gear XX Accent Core version but won't get Xrd on their console, what is that?
Is it any worse than PS COD Colonels and Xbox Madden Kings reigning superiority over the "GRAPHICS" and "BROWN&GREY" and the rest, I mean c'mon? Other consoles barely have the unique franchises comparable to Nintendo because most are on every console anyway and the ones that aren't? They'll become what Nintendo franchises have.
Well, Microsoft always has Windows and other divisions, so they'll be fine.nima55 said:
Also, there's no catchy name that you can use for saying the XBone is doomed...
...maybe "Xboned"?
That would imply they ever left. Nintendo does some damn fine work in the midcard, why people mistake that as them having less credibility is beyond me. Nintendo don't lose those midcard feuds (EA, Ubisoft, and the other upper midcard heels have all been jobbing to Nintendo consistently), are a safe pair of hands, and no competitor is as accomplished or as renowned as them.
Just buy the Wii U, its great. Damn fine supplement.
Unfair you have to pay the Nintendo tax you say? Well life isn't fair, you want those games than pay the tribute to Lord Nintendo. You want to see Nintendo pull off its famous finishers and signature moves live than pay to see a live show, otherwise just watch them on TV like the rest.
Why would Nintendo ever put an Exclusive they can hold no problem on other systems? That isn't how consoles work (well Microsoft haven't quite fully learnt that lesson).LysanderNemoinis said:
Just buy the Wii U, its great. Damn fine supplement.
Unfair you have to pay the Nintendo tax you say? Well life isn't fair, you want those games than pay the tribute to Lord Nintendo. You want to see Nintendo pull off its famous finishers and signature moves live than pay to see a live show, otherwise just watch them on TV like the rest.
9.5 Billion yen? Wow, thats almost a whole dollar! But serioulsy they were surprised? They release games that people want and to their surprise they finally make some profit? Was it the same surprise Miyamoto had when he found out people do in fact still like Star Fox?
If they keep this up then the Wii U will unquestionably become the best console to have this generation (and I already have one so their could be some bias in that). And yes, Pacter. The same Pacter who said that Call of Duty should have charged for multiplayer because so many play it now, and thus they could have gotten that much extra money? Yeah surprised people still listen at all to that guy.
If they keep this up then the Wii U will unquestionably become the best console to have this generation (and I already have one so their could be some bias in that). And yes, Pacter. The same Pacter who said that Call of Duty should have charged for multiplayer because so many play it now, and thus they could have gotten that much extra money? Yeah surprised people still listen at all to that guy.
I will agree that my opinion is based on old info (I played the old super mario games and got bored after 3), what others say and the small run I had at Galaxies which story wise felt like super mario again (new gameplay yes but the story felt the same). So i will agree it is boarderline ignorance, but that's kind of the point of what I'm saying. The perception that Nintendo need to fix is that of "same thing done again" which most people that don't play the games see and feel. I may grab the paper mario games then on my Wii, or if it comes on Wii U when I get one.V4Viewtiful said:*SNIP quotes*
I under stand your view but your commenting on the tip of Ignorance.
The Zelda series though have similar themes can have completely different stories. Majora's Mask and nothing about that game is simple or bland (and most games are for kids). You'll enjoy WW I think.
If you want a deep story in Mario that isn't the same thing try the RPGs (ds and paper), i'd like a console Mario RPG too.
But I agree, Nintendo need more than the staples that made them house hold names hell, bring back ones they've left behind. If Nintendo did more like what they did with the 3 RPGs in Operation Rainfall maybe there'd be less skepticism and more competition.
It annoys me that Nintendo supported Guilty Gear XX Accent Core version but won't get Xrd on their console, what is that?
Is it any worse than PS COD Colonels and Xbox Madden Kings reigning superiority over the "GRAPHICS" and "BROWN&GREY" and the rest, I mean c'mon? Other consoles barely have the unique franchises comparable to Nintendo because most are on every console anyway and the ones that aren't? They'll become what Nintendo franchises have.
Interesting info on Zelda, it did seem more interesting but I just never had time to get into it, as I said I do plan to get WW as I've heard good things about it as well as Hyrule Warrior, so I may have to eat my hat regarding that one. Still glad we agree they need more variety.
I agree that there are CoD fans, Madden fans etc that are just as bad however as you said yourself those games are not system specific and as such they reflect badly on the games rather than the systems. Nintendo games (especially Mario) as basically what people see the system as, so when fans make the game look bad it reflects on the system. The xbox also suffers this with Halo abit, the xbox has the abusive online gamer stigma due to halo fans that make the community, game and thus system look bad from others perspective.
Note I have all 3 systems and PC's, while I prefer PC and Playstation due to the selection of games I find on them I don't care much for brand loyalty. One plastic box with CPU/motherboard/ram/HDD is the same as another (I work in IT so yeah....)
Though when you break it down, Nintendo supposedly being a one-trick pony has always been a falsehood that can best be described as a very flimsy smear tactic; they make new franchises CONSTANTLY, moreso than any other developer around. When it takes me around six hands to count the amount of franchises they have, that is insane. Heck, just look at the Smash Bros' roster and that alone tells enough. Most companies are lucky to have ten regular franchises, Nintendo literally has DOZENS.V4Viewtiful said:
Forget Nintendo, the real story is Michael Patcher is still around. I thought the relative silence from him in a while was a sign that someone had realised he was just throwing darts at the wall when he made his predictions, and shown him the door.
Just a friendly reminder that Nintendo has sold more Wii U consoles than Microsoft has sold Xbox Ones.
Hardware sales were/are slow, but they do pick up with big game launches. If ~7.3m consoles is abysmal then Microsoft must really be in trouble with only 5.5m Xbone sales.
The Wii U has more on the table in the not-too-distant future than the Xbone and PS4 do as well, It doesn't seem to be stopping the PS4 sales though (mine's been collecting dust since I finished infamous second son :/).
The Xbox One is likely sold at a loss, the PS4 sells for a small profit, and as is traditional Nintendo style, the Wii U sells for a profit. I never had any doubts Nintendo would "turn it around", not that I thought operating at a loss for such a short time was a bad thing anyway.
Nintendo's first ever operating loss was in 2012, their second ever in 2013.
Microsoft's gaming division operated at huge losses for 8 straight years from the year 2000; and Sony operated at losses ranging from half a billion to more than 1 billion for 4 years from 2006.
Nintendo's losses have been minuscule in comparison to others in the industry, $220 million in 2012, which is the lowest ever reported loss from any of the 3 big companies apart from Sony in 1995 who lost $93 million, and then under $500 million for 2013. These were far from worrying figures for an $18.4 billion dollar company (Sony is only worth $17.7 billion).
All the ludicrous Nintendo is doomed talk over the last few years has really been blown out of proportion... even if things continued on that 2 year "trend" (which obviously hasn't happened), we would be at least 10 years off seeing Nintendo die/turn into Sega.
TL;DR Companies are allowed to report losses, it happens, it happens all the time. Reporting losses for 2 years isn't the end of the world. If Nintendo's Wii U sales are "abysmal" then the Xbox One's sales must be truly in the shit. Nintendo has more big releases in the holiday period and early 2015 than either the PS4/X1 to help boost sales, and above all else, the 3DS is still the best selling console (not just out of handhelds).
Hardware sales were/are slow, but they do pick up with big game launches. If ~7.3m consoles is abysmal then Microsoft must really be in trouble with only 5.5m Xbone sales.
The Wii U has more on the table in the not-too-distant future than the Xbone and PS4 do as well, It doesn't seem to be stopping the PS4 sales though (mine's been collecting dust since I finished infamous second son :/).
The Xbox One is likely sold at a loss, the PS4 sells for a small profit, and as is traditional Nintendo style, the Wii U sells for a profit. I never had any doubts Nintendo would "turn it around", not that I thought operating at a loss for such a short time was a bad thing anyway.
Nintendo's first ever operating loss was in 2012, their second ever in 2013.
Microsoft's gaming division operated at huge losses for 8 straight years from the year 2000; and Sony operated at losses ranging from half a billion to more than 1 billion for 4 years from 2006.
Nintendo's losses have been minuscule in comparison to others in the industry, $220 million in 2012, which is the lowest ever reported loss from any of the 3 big companies apart from Sony in 1995 who lost $93 million, and then under $500 million for 2013. These were far from worrying figures for an $18.4 billion dollar company (Sony is only worth $17.7 billion).
All the ludicrous Nintendo is doomed talk over the last few years has really been blown out of proportion... even if things continued on that 2 year "trend" (which obviously hasn't happened), we would be at least 10 years off seeing Nintendo die/turn into Sega.
TL;DR Companies are allowed to report losses, it happens, it happens all the time. Reporting losses for 2 years isn't the end of the world. If Nintendo's Wii U sales are "abysmal" then the Xbox One's sales must be truly in the shit. Nintendo has more big releases in the holiday period and early 2015 than either the PS4/X1 to help boost sales, and above all else, the 3DS is still the best selling console (not just out of handhelds).