Is The Witcher 3 overrated?

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Some of the quests in the game were really good thanks to some excellent storylines but I think this was offset by as many(if not more) quests that were really boring but the dialogue itself being well written and with a convincing delivery so you didn't notice it as much. The Witcher 3 is one of the few genuinely 'mature' titles as it deals with aspects of life other games don't really touch so the well written themes and quests enrich the setting giving it depth and complexity. Despite this though much of the dialogue goes on too long and is unengaging. And with a cutscene around every corner there is no way around it. The Witcher is like an excessively voluminous book with too many boring pages.

So the writing of the game is good(if often long-winded) which is unique in games and adds to the ambiance and world building. Away from the story though the game is open world but doesn't really feel as such. You don't really feel like you're exploring or could aimlessly wander the map and always find something new like in Skyrim. The map in Witcher lacks a coherent interactive geography b/c everything is subservient to the story so there aren't really any unscripted 'player moments' like in a Bugthesda game. The game has little to offer in terms of adventure or discovery you have to listen to the well-written NPC prattling on for 15 minutes to get any engagement out the game.

The graphics are very pretty but feel very brittle like they are made of paper. There is very little interaction between Gerard and the environment other than his clumsy movement. Geralt also feels made of paper lacking weight with ultra light controls that make Ger move like a feather through the paper game world with his two swords that feel like two little toothpicks. There is no 'oomph' to the combat either espescially after Ger goes into combat stance and it's like he's moving on ice with your controller enveloped in a thick syrup. It's unresponsive shit combat and you could argue that's not the point of an RPG but there is no real exploration either so again you go back to the NPC prattling on for over 15 minutes. Geralt is a cool character though he's sympathetic and a player who likes p00n.

TW3 in many ways feels more like an interactive story book. Like the one you turn the page and then the page flops open with a little cardboard castle and trees. It's pretty to look at and can be well-written you just wish it could be interactive.
 

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stroopwafel said:
TW3 in many ways feels more like an interactive story book. Like the one you turn the page and then the page flops open with a little cardboard castle and trees. It's pretty to look at and can be well-written you just wish it could be interactive.
I'm prettysure thats what they were going for, or certainly what the loudest voices of praise desired from it.

The Witcher games are presumably a well done audio-visual adaptation of a series of novels. By that merit, they're mostly well presented, decently written, and technically sound. Whether you enjoy that is going to come down to your personal taste as far as the characters and world goes.

In a general gameplay sense, its fine. Nothing really jumps out as innovative or outstanding. It doesn't bend the open world standard design particularly much. It even uses systems it should be above, like Eagle Vision/Witcher Sense for details they clearly have enough design chops to not need.

Structured as an RPG, it has some flaws. Geralt's not dynamic enough to get much personal flavor on the character. The progression mechanics don't mesh with the narrative. It has the commonplace pitfall of using an urgent call to action while deluging the player in side content.

"Overrated" is a complex concept though. Witcher 3 isn't strongly and consistently listed in the extreme upper echelons of games, and most of the praise is still as the recentest, shiniest, big RPG game. And it probably is a standard bearer as such. To apply Overrated usually requires a lot higher opinions over a long period of time after the honeymoon phase has died down.
 

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Let's be frank, "overrated" is an inherently personal viewpoint. It basically means that your experience with a thing wasn't as good as everyone else's experience with it, so whether or not you think it's overrated comes down to what you personally think.
 

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Incredibly overrated.

Terrible combat
Terrible controls that geralt control like a tank
most of time riding in horse and travelling form point A to point B
Incredibly long and boring dialouges that mostly feel like talking simulator
Geralt sound too much like robotic

and i could go on and on. its one of the most overrated game of this gen. im amazed its most praise game on steam and many reviewers rate it 10/10 .
 

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Ezekiel said:
Yes. Characters that go on and on and on about shit nobody cares about.
Wut?

Like I know you have a pension for shitting on everything, but seriously, wut?

OT: Can anybody give me an example of something that isn't overrated? This term has become pretty much meaningless in the geek community.
 

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I find the controls pretty smooth for an RPG, at least compared to the first two games. I think people just really need to enjoy being ?The Witcher? and immersed in the world to avoid it feeling like a slog, because there is a lot there between the massive menu system and different gameplay elements like managing loot, gathering ingredients, crafting, etc. I?m more interested in Kingdom Come: Deliverance right now because it feels more easily digestible despite being rooted in ?realism?. Perhaps that?s the difference is that most of the gameplay systems feel logical and more purposeful/practical.

But I know I?ll still enjoy TW3 when I get around to it, because next to the first two games it feels like CDPR finally found its footing, even though they give possibly too much ground to cover.
 

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In my opinion, not really. But in a lot of people's, of course.

My main take away from The Witcher 3 is apparent when compared to the likes of AAA titles like Assassin's Creed Origins. CD Projekt Red employs around five to six hundred staff and is, by and large, an independent developer.
Ubisoft Montreal employs over three thousand people and has the publishing power of their parent company to back investment for their development.

Given that TW3 was the third game an indie studio developed, I'm willing to cut some of the jankier aspects of the game some slack. It also helps that I really enjoy the universe of the Witcher and had been dying to just go out and do some basic Witcher contracting since played the first game. The end result was a game that played well enough, looked great and told a consistent story with some excellent character building. On top of the wonderful pro consumer decisions they made with DLC and Expansions. Overrated? Not to me.
 

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No it's not. For fans of the Witcher series or dark fantasy RPGs in general is pretty much unmatched in what is trying to accomplish. It set the bar where there's no game in sight that even gets close.
 

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The people who didn't like it are going to say yes, the people who did are going to say no. What are you expecting from this?
 

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Casual Shinji said:
OT: Can anybody give me an example of something that isn't overrated? This term has become pretty much meaningless in the geek community.
Tetris.

Extensively popular but never embodied by a fandom singing its praises. A simple design not held back by technical limitations of its time that will make it awkwardly dated later on.

You can take Witcher 3, or Ocarina of Time, or Bloodborne or FF7, or Half Life 2, or Undertale, or Portal. And pretty easily pick out obvious spots for improvement.

Essentially, we know on a fundamental level that these are not *perfect* games, yet we see 10/10 ratings for them. Even the devs could probably go on for a good bit about having to cut some piece of the vision out here and there because budget/tech/talent/whatever couldn't manage it.
 

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No fucking way for me. Even after all the hype it still absolutely blew me away.
B-Cell said:
Incredibly overrated.

Terrible combat
Terrible controls that geralt control like a tank
Yeah, no. By what standards are these two even remotely true? What is the point of comparison? I would really like to hear you elaborate on this.
 

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I would really like to hear you elaborate on this.
He can't. He watches that retard from "Worth a Buy" and he simply adopts his opinions as his own. I doubt that he even played TW3 considering his general hatred for third person games, especially third person games that aren't even shooters.

As for me, I think it's the best game ever made.
 

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Of course it is, any game sitting in the 90s with an average score is overrated. Shape of Water just won for Best Picture and averaged an 8.4/10 for example. Not only does Witcher 3 have to do more with regards to story and characters than a movie because of length, it also has gameplay as well. Are you going to tell me that a game that has to have as much as probably at least 5 or so movies of writing plus being a game while having all the gameplay elements being really good is better than the best movie in a year? So even without me going into actually criticizing Witcher 3, there's no way it's 91-93/100 amazing that it has been rated, and thus overrated.

So, onto the criticisms of Witcher 3. The combat is average at best (worse than average for me), it's some mishmash of Souls and Arkham combat that just doesn't work. Plus, Geralt is a witcher, who are monster hunters, and the monster fights just plain suck ass. The movement alone needed to be patched because of how bad it was, even alternate movement makes it better but movement is still far below basically any other game. So, how is the gameplay considered good by anyone when Geralt can't even run around the game world properly? Not to mention how unbalanced and broken some of the game's skills like quen and axii are. The writing is definitely a high point for the game and possibly gaming as a whole, which is quite an accomplishment; however, the main story does devolve into literally 'save all worlds' while the main "side" quests like the Baron are far above what the overarching story is so I'd probably give the writing an 8/10 (which is a damn good score people). And I'll ask, how is the game an overall 91-93/100 when the best part of the game is not even at that point?

Witcher 3 just has so much stuff in it that doesn't support it's core experience. The game really doesn't even need its open world. The progression system makes no sense with regards to both basic logic and gameplay mechanics. Why can't a master witcher hold a level 2 sword at the beginning of the game? Why is there even a loot system in place when acquiring witcher gear contradicts having that whole loot system to begin with? The loot system not only contradicts other RPG elements (witcher gear) found in the game but also contradicts the character of Geralt himself. The combat system being designed for humanoid enemies vs monsters also demonstrates the lack of focusing on what the core game should be. Back to the open world, which negates the urgency of Geralt finding Ciri, the game didn't need tons of sidequests and activities (regardless of how good or bad they are). Geralt wouldn't be taking time to play Gwent or finding some woman's pan nor diving in water for treasures. Wither 3 could've been a much more focused experience IMO.

Casual Shinji said:
OT: Can anybody give me an example of something that isn't overrated? This term has become pretty much meaningless in the geek community.
Not much if we're classifying overrated by critical reception. The only games that I say could merit really high scores are the games that just do one thing and do it really well (whether it's like a sports game, fighting game, linear action combat game, etc.). A lot of games not only have at least a feature film's worth of writing but also have several different gameplay elements to boot. So when a game actually has writing on par with the best movies/tv shows and books while having some of the best gameplay in its own medium is when I'd say a game getting a score in the 90s is not overrated. Getting an average score of 80+ should be special and not par for the course.

hanselthecaretaker said:
I find the controls pretty smooth for an RPG, at least compared to the first two games... I'm more interested in Kingdom Come: Deliverance right now, most of the gameplay systems feel logical and more purposeful/practical.
"Good for an RPG" is not a valid excuse though. If the gameplay of any game, RPG or not, is mainly fighting enemies then the combat system should be legit good and on par with other great combat systems (whether action or turn based). RPGs have the easy way around that by not having combat be a major gameplay element while an action combat game obviously has to be about combat. Kingdom Come is an example of an RPG having very little combat because RPGs shouldn't really have an abundance of combat. The most engaging actual gameplay of Witcher 3 was the "choices" you have as a player when Geralt finds Ciri, I wish the game was far more of that suff instead of basically a poor man's hack and slash. Basically, if a game has an element in it and the developer doesn't care to make it top-notch, then it either shouldn't be in the game or be in there only very sparingly.
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
The people who didn't like it are going to say yes, the people who did are going to say no. What are you expecting from this?
Does this help? I think the Witcher 3 is overrated mainly because people blindly ignore all of its faults. But I still think it is the game of that year. It could still be the best RPG. But that doesn't mean it's prefect in any shape or form.
 

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trunkage said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
The people who didn't like it are going to say yes, the people who did are going to say no. What are you expecting from this?
Does this help? I think the Witcher 3 is overrated mainly because people blindly ignore all of its faults. But I still think it is the game of that year. It could still be the best RPG. But that doesn't mean it's prefect in any shape or form.
Has the label 'perfect' or 'without flaws' ever been placed on The Witcher 3 by fans though, or on any other well regarded game? At best you'll have people saying they loved a game so much they choose to ignore the flaws. Maybe this is miscommunication, but people tend to confuse fans saying 'I love this game to death' or 'This is the best game I ever played' with them claiming there is absolutely, positively nothing wrong with it.
Phoenixmgs said:
Basically, if a game has an element in it and the developer doesn't care to make it top-notch, then it either shouldn't be in the game or be in there only very sparingly.
First of all that's a bit unfair, since no game can make every element top-notch, hence why there's no such thing as a perfect game. Just look at the way the spear was handled in Horizon: Zero Dawn, or the climbing for that matter... not great. And secondly, this can be very subjective. Some people think the horse controls in Shadow of the Colossus is garbage.
 
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It has flaws for sure, but it still became one of the most influential RPG experiences I've had since the first RPG I ever played.

I haven't played the game in a year and I STILL think about it. I was thinking of firing it up again pretty soon once I'm done with Far Cry 5.
 

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Nope, it deserves the praise it received.
This

Witcher 3 is fantastic. A beautiful, vibrant world, quests with unexpected twists that people actually took time and writing to plot out, awesome witcherized retellings of classic fairy tales, great characters (seriously, I don't think there has been a video game character I have loved to hate more than King Radovid).

Yeah the controls were kinda meh, still the greatest open-world game ever.