Is there the equivalent of spelling bees in other languages?

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So English has a lot of strange spellings for words. There are almost as many exceptions to any rule as there are words following. Some words have extra letters just for the heck of it, others are pronounced completely differently based on the tense in which they are read.

It's such a mess that apparently simply being able to spell correctly is a feat worthy of acclaim in the form of contests. That makes me wonder, do more sensibly structured languages also have events similar to spelling bees?
 

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Maybe for some, but apparently the concept is puzzling to a lot of non-English speakers.
 

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No contests that I can think of, but there used to be an annual tv game show where people were tested on their spelling.

Participants were mostly middle aged people.

Now I have this weird desire to watch Hey Arnold and write "onomatopoeia".
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
Um yeah? What's so English about spelling?
It's "concurso de deletreo" in Spanish.
Well just that I've heard other languages tend to stick more to their phonetic rules and English is just all over the place. I was just curious if they were a thing in other countries/languages.
 

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We do have the 'Groot Dictee der Nederlandse Taal' which can be roughly translated as the grand spelling test of the Dutch language. I say roughly because dictee is normally a form of test in primary schools where the teacher dictates sentences to be transcribed by the students, to be looked at after to see if they can spell the words and have decent handwriting. I don't know an English phrase that means quite the same as that. I think the 'Groot Dictee' is getting less popular. I think it works slightly different in that somebody reads you a sentence or piece of text, which you have to transcribe correctly. The person with the least mistakes in the whole thing wins but this is checked after handing in your all the transcriptions. What I've seen of American spelling bees, they work a little different.
 

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Drathnoxis said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
Um yeah? What's so English about spelling?
It's "concurso de deletreo" in Spanish.
Well just that I've heard other languages tend to stick more to their phonetic rules and English is just all over the place. I was just curious if they were a thing in other countries/languages.
I don't know about logographic writing systems like Japanese but surely any language based on the Greek/Latin alphabet is going to have some version of a spelling bee used to teach proper spelling & writing.
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
Drathnoxis said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
Um yeah? What's so English about spelling?
It's "concurso de deletreo" in Spanish.
Well just that I've heard other languages tend to stick more to their phonetic rules and English is just all over the place. I was just curious if they were a thing in other countries/languages.
I don't know about logographic writing systems like Japanese but surely any language based on the Greek/Latin alphabet is going to have some version of a spelling bee used to teach proper spelling & writing.
The concept of testing if a person is capable of spelling is probably fairly universal, and I imagine a huge deal in languages like simplified Chinese that have hundreds of characters and you can accidentally change meanings by being a crappy handwriter. That said, I was always under the impression that the "stand in front of a crowd and spell words" thing is really a North American thing centered mostly on the US. It blew me away when I found out that not only is it a fairly big deal, but massive scholarships and competitions are centered around it in the US.
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
I don't know about logographic writing systems like Japanese but surely any language based on the Greek/Latin alphabet is going to have some version of a spelling bee used to teach proper spelling & writing.
I think what OP believes to be 'special' about English and it's rather haphazard relationship with phonetic spelling (or rather, a lack thereof), is the somewhat free and loose 'rules' that are drawn from historic standards developed and agreed upon at different points in time by different groups of people with little (read: no) effort by central government to integrate or standardise anything ('correct' spelling in English, with very few exceptions, came about thanks to consensus, not by rule, and while this is true for many languages, the blurred lines of English's linguistic heritage make said consensus an exercise in madness). Which causes crap like: tough; though; thought; and through, all of which draw the 'ough' letter cluster from largely different etymological roots.

ObsidianJones said:
I was actually thinking he meant ideographs from Asian Languages. But I could have been wrong.
'Spelling' in (East-)Asian ('cos that's my point of reference) is variously pointless and impractical:

Vietnamese uses Latin with heavy application of diacritics and is entirely phonetic.
Thai (and by association Lao) is written using syllabic characters (best analogy are kana from Japanese) which also infer tone, which, consequently, is entirely phonetic.
Tagalog (AFAIK) uses Latin script with diacritics and is, again, entirely phonetic.
Korean hangul is entirely phonetic and hanja (more below) aren't used for the most part to the extent that 'spelling bees' would not be practical given the scarcity of characters used by the general population.
Japanese hiragana and katakana are also entirely phonetic and kanji have a similar problem as above Korean hanja (again, more below), if to a much lesser extent.

And now for the kicker: Chinese (hanzi); and by extension hanja and kanji. From a practical standpoint, these are impractical to vocally spell. Seriously, how do you 'spell' 輛 for example? Say 'vehicle-two (meas.)'?(!) Saying how you'd write the character by stipulating stroke placement and order is dumb (go on, spell 龜 in that way, I dare you!). But OK, perhaps instead of saying, how's about writing? Part of the challenge of spelling bees is to provide words that the participants would not be expected to actually know, but by analysing their own vocabulary, spelling conventions and educated guesswork have fair odds of spelling correctly. This cannot be (reasonably) applied to Chinese/Japanese/Korean. In a linguistic vacuum, how a character is pronounced (be it hanzi/kanji/hanja, and don't even get me started on kunyomi vs onyomi (not to mention the multitude of onyomi readings) or the various Chinese dialectal differences in reading hanzi) has literally zero bearing on its meaning (like... across the world, how many ways are there to pronounce this most simple of characters: 一 ? More to the point, how are these pronunciations phonetically related (even just in Chinese or just in Japanese)?). Worse yet, every character in Chinese (irrespective of how complicated its script and definition is) is monosyllabic while in Japanese it can be mono-, di- or even tri-syllabic but the syllable count has, again, literally zero bearing on anything else to do with the character in question (can't speak for hanja, so won't). Further, character construction can be done in one of four ways (by literal ideography, by phonology, by definition built on a previous character, or by character loan), any combination of which can be relevant for a particular character. Consequently, for a character that a 'spelling bee' participant has not been educated in, providing a contextual sentence demonstrating usage of the character is virtually useless, as constructing a character from existing vocabulary is just not a thing.

*dramatic shrug*
 

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I don't think we really have spelling bees, or at least not like in English-speaking countries, but in the Netherlands and the Flanders part of Belgium we have the "Groot Dictee der Nederlandse Taal". Literally the "Great Dictation of the Dutch Language", it's a yearly contest with 30 Dutch and 30 Flanders participants who are dictated a particularly tricky text, which they then have to write down correctly. Used to be televised nationally in both countries.

It goes a little beyond just spelling, since you also need to take into account proper grammar and punctuation to write correct sentences.
 

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It seems like a bad idea; other languages are much harder to spell.
 

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Baffle2 said:
It seems like a bad idea; other languages are much harder to spell.
To you, perhaps, but I doubt very much their native speakers feel differently about English, or that they find their own language inherently difficult to spell (or equivalent).
 

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SckizoBoy said:
Baffle2 said:
It seems like a bad idea; other languages are much harder to spell.
To you, perhaps, but I doubt very much their native speakers feel differently about English, or that they find their own language inherently difficult to spell (or equivalent).
Can't speak for Baffle's truest darkest and most definitely criminal intentions, but I do believe that was meant to be the joke. Unless it wasn't. In which case...
 

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Neurotic Void Melody said:
SckizoBoy said:
Baffle2 said:
It seems like a bad idea; other languages are much harder to spell.
To you, perhaps, but I doubt very much their native speakers feel differently about English, or that they find their own language inherently difficult to spell (or equivalent).
Can't speak for Baffle's truest darkest and most definitely criminal intentions, but I do believe that was meant to be the joke.
I'd forgotten that I wasn't supposed to do jokes any more. :(
 

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EvilRoy said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
Drathnoxis said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
Um yeah? What's so English about spelling?
It's "concurso de deletreo" in Spanish.
Well just that I've heard other languages tend to stick more to their phonetic rules and English is just all over the place. I was just curious if they were a thing in other countries/languages.
I don't know about logographic writing systems like Japanese but surely any language based on the Greek/Latin alphabet is going to have some version of a spelling bee used to teach proper spelling & writing.
The concept of testing if a person is capable of spelling is probably fairly universal, and I imagine a huge deal in languages like simplified Chinese that have hundreds of characters and you can accidentally change meanings by being a crappy handwriter. That said, I was always under the impression that the "stand in front of a crowd and spell words" thing is really a North American thing centered mostly on the US. It blew me away when I found out that not only is it a fairly big deal, but massive scholarships and competitions are centered around it in the US.
It's probably more popular (and life-changing, apparently) there than in most places, but spelling bees aren't uniquely a US thing.
 

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Drathnoxis said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
Um yeah? What's so English about spelling?
It's "concurso de deletreo" in Spanish.
Well just that I've heard other languages tend to stick more to their phonetic rules and English is just all over the place. I was just curious if they were a thing in other countries/languages.
As cultures continue to communicate with each other and rub off on one another, we'll likely see the same curiosities of English become part of their languages too. There's a lot of weird spellings in English because a lot of the words come from other languages. As other languages continue to take phrases and words from their neighbors they will also begin to change.
 

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CaitSeith said:
Does the UK have spelling bees?
Apparently we do, but it looks like its basically get-bullied central. By the parents first, then everyone else.