Issue 32: Casual Friday - My Gamer Lady

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Bruce Nielson"I would find some unsuspecting girl and convince her I was not a nerd, until she married me. Then, I would slowly but surely corrupt her until she, too, found computer games fun." Bruce Nielson details the evolution, and results, of his master plan.
 

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Original Comment by: hostile
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II've tried and tried to get my wife into games...I just can't make it happen.

She likes creating characters in World of Warcraft, but that's as far as she gets. I let her control one of my night elves one time...and she got me stuck behind a shop counter in Stormwind. It took me 10 minutes of clicking and jumping to finally get out. Sure I have a hearthstone...but it was on cooldown. I had ported to SW specifically to show her the Christmas decorations.

The only game she plays is Zuma on the MSN network...ugh. I can't begrudge her though, she pretty much lets me play WoW 24/7.
 

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Original Comment by: RadiantDreamer
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You see, the problem with his plan is more on a primal level, as seen in one of the older issues of Escapist about female gamers - males are interested in dominating, hunting and all that jazz, while women are interested in relationship matters (be it conflict or resolution). Games like WoW, Icewind Dale, etc. Are all targetted towards male audiences. Sure, the fun factor was there, but the story was not. (not in the sense that it targetted females, anyway)

Games like Katamari Damacy, Animal Crossing, etc. are geared towards a "general audience" but do interest female gamers. I couldn't for the life of me get my wife to touch a controller, until these games came along. Sure, she'd play an ocassional Soul Calibur, but again, it's just not her thing. The fact that she's playing any games at all is a wonder.

If you really want to get your girl started on gaming, start with the Katamari's, the Mario's, and the Sims. Once you are there, and they have some form of hand-eye coordination, introduce them into more competitive games, but still maintain that fun factor. Guitar Heroes, Donkey Konga, Klonoa, etc. Work them up from Mario Kart to Gran Turismo, to Grand Theft Auto, to Guild Wars, and THEN to WoW - in that order. The frog is indeed boiling in that pot!

WARNING: DO NOT give them "girl games" like barbie or whatever. That's just insulting them. :)

Cooperative multiplayer is always a good thing - your wife enjoys spending time with you, but not beating each other up in video games. You two got married so that you can approach problems and work together. Not against each other. The same principle applies here.
 

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Original Comment by: bnielson
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>>> You see, the problem with his plan is more on a primal level, as seen in one of the older issues of Escapist about female gamers - males are interested in dominating, hunting and all that jazz, while women are interested in relationship matters (be it conflict or resolution). Games like WoW, Icewind Dale, etc. Are all targetted towards male audiences. Sure, the fun factor was there, but the story was not. (not in the sense that it targetted females, anyway)

I wish I had known that back then!!!! ;)
 

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Original Comment by: Raja

I agree with RadiantDreamer. My girlfriend played the family Atari as a kid, but didn't keep the hobby up. The first time she came to my place, though, I put Katamari Damacy in the PS2 and handed her the controller. She loved it, and just as I had done after being introduced to the game at a friend's place, she bought a TV and a PS2 of her own to play it.

Since then, we've started playing Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance together, which has been a fun romp, and when we're both in our respective homes we've begun to play the original Neverwinter Nights campaign online together. We're both having a lot of fun -- indeed, the lion's share of our gaming sessions get started at her request. :)

She has expressed some interest in my single-player recommendations, so I'm going to be loaning her Ico next. *grin*
 

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Original Comment by: Brinstar
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What's with the image of the ball and chain on the article? Seems a bit disrespectful to your wife, IMO.
 

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Original Comment by: cudthecrud

My fiance was never interested in playing games, just mildly interested in watching me play games. She doesn't like intense games all that much (sometimes she ends up pulling my hair with anxiety and frustration when I can't get something right). But SHE ASKED ME (instead of me begging her to try something) to try out Burnout 3 in crash mode. We had a couple of epic sessions of going through all the crash junctions in a row (I was so sad when we ran out of them). She's given Burnout Revenge crash mode a couple of tries, but I think it lost its novelty with the golf swing start mechanic. She wants me to get her certain cars in certain colors in games like Grand Theft Auto and Gran Turismo and then never drive them. She's a keeper.
 

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Original Comment by: Lake Desire
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Series like Katamari and Animal Crossing are good introductions for nongamers, but aren't gender-specific. I've introduced the former series on nongamers of both genders. I do find it interesting I'm more pressing towards my female friends when inviting them to game. I assume most males have been more exposed to games and had more of a chance to decide it is something they don't like. Perhaps I just prefer the group dynamics when playing multiplayers with groups dominated by my own gender for a change.
 

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Original Comment by: Georgie

>> You see, the problem with his plan is more on a primal level, as seen in one of the older issues of Escapist about female gamers - males are interested in dominating, hunting and all that jazz, while women are interested in relationship matters (be it conflict or resolution). Games like WoW, Icewind Dale, etc. Are all targetted towards male audiences. Sure, the fun factor was there, but the story was not. (not in the sense that it targetted females, anyway)

I wish I had known that back then!!!! ;)

I don't know about that brielson, if I'm honest I see little I can relate to in the 'biological determinist' argument (but then again I'm also a long-time female gamer;-)
 

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Original Comment by: bnielson
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Brinstar,

I didn't add the image of the ball and chain. Images aren't done by the original author.
 

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Original Comment by: Lyf
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I think that it is a dangerous affair to get people into games. RPGs especially are very demanding of your time, and if you feel that you have things to get on with in the real world you can be practically allergic to them. I go through cycles of relaxing and playing games quite often - an hour a night or so - and then getting into some project, i.e. writing an essay or reading a book or planning a holiday etc., and trying to play games makes me feel awful.

Games are not, in themselves, particularly rewarding, unless you make of them a great importance. And if you already find something really important then they seem trivial, stupid, and even harmful.
 

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Original Comment by: William
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I've introduced people to games who had little interest in them before. I have to agree with Lyf: games are just one of many ways to spend one's leisure time, and by no means are they the most edifying. Time spent with poetry, art, travel, exercise, writing, drawing etc.. is probably going to be more rewarding. If one enjoys them, wonderful - but there's a difference between encouraging someone to a new activity that would authentically enrich them, and simply looking for a playmate because one is lonely.

That said, the game may offer something unique - a way of understanding life as kinds of relationships, of appreciating agency, of harnessing attention in a novel way. Games are not just about other worlds - they are about the conditions of the possibility of other worlds, of what-could-have-happened, of the possibilities of a system or engine of simulation.

One piece of advice I proffer: that one simply hand over the controllers and shut up. Too many experienced gamers over-teach, explain, hector, patronize, and coach the people they think they are "encouraging" to play. This takes all the autonomy away from them, the very process of exploration and discovery that makes games appealing to begin with. Perhaps it comes from seeing the frustration of the would-be new player and feeling obliged to intervene: what is misunderstood here, then, is an understanding of the role of frustration itself in the pleasure of the game. When asked, while watching, how to solve a particular problem, I usually respond, "you'll figure it out... give it a few minutes." This change in attitude has worked - I've brought many people, with very diverse backgrounds and interests, into an appreciation of games.
 

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Original Comment by: Guilded Lily
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I've read through the article and the comments section, and I have one bit of advice to add:

Maybe you guys should look among your gaming buddies for your future spouses, it would solve this whole problem completely.
 

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Original Comment by: jlaakso
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There was a possibility my wife wasn't into videogames. I made sure she was into tabletop roleplaying games, though, since back when we met that was such a big part of my life. Thankfully, there hasn't been much conflict between my relationship and my gaming. It turned out she's been quite a bit into computer and videogames since early childhood. We shared many a tale of early Sierra stuff, for instance.

Fast forward a decade and there's occasional strife, but it goes both ways. When my wife is excited about a game, she plays it intensely until it's worn out. Now it's Space Empires IV, the last time it was Baten Kaitos, then there's been the Baldur's Gate series, KOTOR and so on. Often it happens that I introduce her to the game, then she takes it all for herself and I have to think of something else to do... Baten Kaitos she actually bought for me as a gift but I didn't much see of the game once she got started on it. I don't mind, of course: this gives me plenty of leeway with my own gaming.

We don't play games together, except with friends. The competition's not good for the relationship.
 

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Original Comment by: J'Dai

Hi Bruce!

I was happy to see you are the author of this piece. For that first two pages I was afraid that MY husband wrote it!!

The difference being that I still play and often with Mr. J'Dai, but not as often as I like because he is a student. Precious free time and all of that.

I have no sage advice for you, as Mr. J'Dai's ploy with BGII was successful. I have even moved onto MMORPGs and play WoW, um, a lot.

The article was a great read and I am always happy to see your work no matter the format.
~ JD
 

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Original Comment by: bnielson
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Hi J'Dai,

I enjoyed seeing your post and wish you did have some sage advice ;)

Honestly, I may some day try to get my wife into games again. But in the mean time, I'm no longer at a loss for playmates because my two boys and my oldest girl (ages 7, 5, and 3) love to play with me. Even the baby (age 1) sits on my lap and watches while we play.
 

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Original Comment by: John
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Hi,

This article stirred something within my mind-
made me decide that I will never try and change someone after marrying them, far too risky and if they don't like games I've missed out on something special, the enjoyment of a mutual passion with someone you love.

Singleplayer games only give tangible real world currency if you are very good at them and can compete in tournaments for the 100's of thousands in prize money.

Online mmorpg's are far more real because it's real people you're dealing with, and most online games have currency that's directly convertible to $US, makes sense...why slave away for 40 hours for something you could buy with $20, an ingame sword etc when you could simply work an hour at McDonalds and be done with it, saving you 39 hours! Just like paying to see a good movie before the rest of the country.


But I stray from the topic...
why is it that male gamers are attracted to female gamers more than non female gamers of the same cuteness?

(looks count, people that don't accept this are shallow...because we live in the real world, not a world of 'should be this' or "men should like women only for personality" in a relationship personality is important however.)
 

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Original Comment by: Slartibartfast

John:

Introducing somebody you love to something you enjoy, isn't necessarily trying to change them. It happens eventually in any relationship. The thing is you have to accept it when they don't like what you do.
 

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Original Comment by: bnielson
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You know, actually, my article was aiming for "humorous" and all that... but in all seriousness, my wife and I have done a number of "exchanges" that were successful. To this day I love "Pride and Prejudice" (laughed all the way through the recent movie because I get the jokes having read the book with my wife) and she watches Star Trek with me and really likes it. Neither of these are things that we'd likely have picked up an interest in if we hadn't introduced it to each other. Unfortunately, my wife still hated computer games even after she gave them a try just like I still hated Steel Magnolias after I gave it a try. (And I really came out better in that exchange because I only lost 2 hours of my life.) :p So really, I think trying to get your spouse to like what you like is a fantastic idea and my work.... probably will in a lot of cases. Just don't be disappointed if it doesn't work out for everything.

 

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Original Comment by: Lockves
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From what I see, it seems that I am probably one of the rare lucky guys having a wife that REALLY likes games. It happends that I am a game editor, so I can't really "avoid" playing. Fortunately, I met her about 7 years ago (we got married 3 years ago), when she was really young, 18 years old. She had some experiences with games and an incredible competitional way of being. So, I would say that it was easy. In a few years, she actually played almost every RPG I know and MMORPG as well. She played also some shooters and of course, the whole Age of... series. Then she got really addicted by Morrowind... we had some really big fights because we only had one computer at home and we were fighting for it badly. And, finally, she discovered World of Warcraft where is playing a rogue in one of the best modes I've seen. And, suprisingly or not, she is not spending gold on beautifull pieces of equipment.

And, I even convinced her to play a little Eve Online. But after a month or so she gave up because "takes to much time to really play". Well, I can't disagree with her.

I should mention that she is also reviewing games for my magazine, the best in my country, at least when she has time - she is Head of Marketing and Developing for a software company.

You realise that I am extremly in love, also because she is quite a good looking woman. :)