''It's frowned upon.''

[jobu59749]

The simple solution....stop being so nice. The other solution, when you do nice things, don't expect anything but something you don't deserve happening or no thank you for your grand kindness. People are petty and stuck in their own worlds. I had to learn that lesson the hard way.

 

[Camembert]

My point isn't, contrary to your assumption, that one is stupid and the other is right... It is simply that the argument is futile. Will the vegan start eating meat because of it? Will the meat-eater stop eating meat because of it?
No and no.

I am a meat-eater myself, and I find myself agreeing with DeathWyrmNexus rather than ThrobbingEgo.

The only problem here is that ThrobbingEgo has made it his business whether or not me(or DeathWyrmNexus, or anyone) eats meat.

Do you see now, or did you prejudice against meat-eaters blind you from my writing?

I am not here to argue with a vegan - there is no point, as previously pointed out. There is no middleground, there is no agreeing. I can understand why some people would be very concerned about the wellbeing of animals, and such work actively against it by not aiding the industry... But I'm just not one of those people.

My favourite meal consists of a big, fat, bloody, rare steak. Nothing you, or anyone, says, is going to change that.

Yes, but you implied that vegans are irrational morons who will not see sense, whereas meat eaters are the logical ones who have suffered long at the hands of vegans. It was an unnecessary comment.

And I wouldn't care to try and change your eating habits. I am a meat-eater, so... no, I have no prejudice. It doesn't matter to me who made what whose business - that does not change the fact that I thought ThrobbingEgo's arguments to be the better.

 

[the idiot computer]

Ugghhh...They tell you all the way through life to be kind and courteous... They never tell you what to do if a fist comes your way...

 

[DeathWyrmNexus]

Agreed - I wouldn't be very concerned though, as it is you and your good friend ThrobbingEgo who've derailed the thread, and not me ;--)

There is not fighting a vegan - if they set their sights on you, you might as well fold and nod. You cannot argue the validity of religion with a serious Christian, just like you cannot argue diet with vegans. It just doesn't work.

Or... the reason he is failing is that his logic isn't sound - or at least certainly less sound than that of the person with whom he is debating...? Seriously. Try reading before you allow your own prejudice to decide for you.

Edit: Or, since the other chap has buggered off, perhaps you could continue where he left off and point out all the flaws in the vegan's argument.

No, I'm still here, just not into continuing this since it is getting nowhere but I did answer him in pm.

 

[Camembert]

No, I'm still here, just not into continuing this since it is getting nowhere but I did answer him in pm.

Oh, OK Glad to hear you're continuing the debate.

 

[s0denone]

Yes, but you implied that vegans are irrational morons who will not see sense, whereas meat eaters are the logical ones who have suffered long at the hands of vegans. It was an unnecessary comment.

And I wouldn't care to try and change your eating habits. I am a meat-eater, so... no, I have no prejudice. It doesn't matter to me who made what whose business - that does not change the fact that I thought ThrobbingEgo's arguments to be the better.

Organic foods are more expensive.

Eating meat instead of organic food is cheaper.

Eating meat is cheaper than not eating meat.

How is that for logic? Honestly I don't care much for the discussion, but from where I'm sitting the vegans just look like people with too much money and time on their hands.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

Yes, but you implied that vegans are irrational morons who will not see sense, whereas meat eaters are the logical ones who have suffered long at the hands of vegans. It was an unnecessary comment.

And I wouldn't care to try and change your eating habits. I am a meat-eater, so... no, I have no prejudice. It doesn't matter to me who made what whose business - that does not change the fact that I thought ThrobbingEgo's arguments to be the better.

Organic foods are more expensive.

Eating meat instead of organic food is cheaper.

Eating meat is cheaper than not eating meat.

How is that for logic? Honestly I don't care much for the discussion, but from where I'm sitting the vegans just look like people with too much money and time on their hands.

http://lifehacker.com/5271178/cook-for-good-plans-meals-for-less-than-two-dollars

 

[the idiot computer]

No, I'm still here, just not into continuing this since it is getting nowhere but I did answer him in pm.

Oh, OK Glad to hear you're continuing the debate.

Hang on a minute were going off topic, i thought this thread was about doing something nice and being frowned on for it?

 

[Camembert]

Organic foods are more expensive.

Not eating organic foods is cheaper than eating meat.

Eating meat is cheaper than not eating meat.

How is that for logic? Honestly I don't care much for the discussion, but from where I'm sitting the vegans just look like people with too much money and time on their hands.

Too much money? Because meat is so much cheaper than vegetarian food : | We aren't talking about organic food here, genius.

It's called empathy. Being able to put yourself in someone or something else's shoes, and to think, 'Hm, how would I feel...? Not good? OK, I won't support that market anymore.' And sometimes enduring inconvenience for what you believe is a good thing, no? I would consider it a positive character trait, at any rate.

 

[johnman]

I once got yelled at for walking past some random guys car with a metal step ladder in my arms. He sticks his head out at the window and tell me to stop playing with it in case I scratch his brand new car, then asks where I stole it from and demands I return it.
1. I wasn't playing with it
2. I had already walked past his car, so even if I decided to start twirling it around his car was safe
3. To be fair I did steal it
4. But it was out of a skip and it was a perfectly good ladder

 

[s0denone]

Organic foods are more expensive.

Eating meat instead of organic food is cheaper.

Eating meat is cheaper than not eating meat.

How is that for logic? Honestly I don't care much for the discussion, but from where I'm sitting the vegans just look like people with too much money and time on their hands.

http://lifehacker.com/5271178/cook-for-good-plans-meals-for-less-than-two-dollars

I'm sorry, how is this relevant? I could eat cereal for breakfast, lunch and dinner and it would be dirt-cheap. That doesn't make it a good idea, nor something I would do.

Organic foods are more expensive.

Not eating organic foods is cheaper than eating meat.

Eating meat is cheaper than not eating meat.

How is that for logic? Honestly I don't care much for the discussion, but from where I'm sitting the vegans just look like people with too much money and time on their hands.

Too much money? Because meat is so much cheaper than vegetarian food : | We aren't talking about organic food here, genius.

It's called empathy. Being able to put yourself in someone or something else's shoes, and to think, 'Hm, how would I feel...? Not good? OK, I won't support that market anymore.' And sometimes enduring inconvenience for what you believe is a good thing, no? I would consider it a positive character trait, at any rate.

How is empathy relevant to the discussion? You are talking logic, yet bring in arguments based solely on emotion... And bingo! Those emotions may differ from person to person.

I should never have let myself be drawn into this, but I will continue as long as you do, although with a heavy heart. It will be rough, we may shed some tears, but ultimately we will come out stronger on the other side!

Still, having a healthy diet without including meat is impossible if you only have so much money to toss around. Believe you me.
I just assumed the "organic" thing, since we are talking vegan and not-vegan, and any true vegan would also only eat organic... Which is very expensive compared to other products.

EDIT: Also, no need for personal insults such as "We're not talking about that, genius" - there's no point. I'm being friendly to you, be friendly to me.

 

[Ghostkai]

Friend of mine owes his girlfriend £600, he's broke as fuck, his auntie recently died (sad etc. not the point) and as a result, he came into some money. About £1200 in fact.

Did he pay her back?

Nope, he bought himself a brand new Gaming rig for the full £1200.
Really. And now he's broke again.

That kind of "selfish dickheadedness" is really frowned upon universally I think.

 

[InnerRebellion]

Being an atheist... in a Christian household. That's my reality.

I know the feeling.

Personally, I tend to try and help people up if they fall etc. And they usually hit me and tell me they don't need help from "an emo prick."

 

[lwm3398]

Vegans seem more the way christians are. Preaching about how they are right and morally better because the rest of us prefer to enjoy things.

That's quite a bit stereotypical, we're not all like that. Only the ones you see on TV who are only on TV for being such radical Christians. Don't think we're all like that, please.

On topic, no, I really have not had anything like that happen to me.

 

[DemonicVixen]

Funny, this was a topic my X brought up with me on msn the other day. I felt his family treat him shit and he refused to take the hint and get his own life back. He sat and moaned about them day and night but never did nothing about it. When i told him he'd had the chance to get away from it (and im not and never will be saying abandon his family) he turned around and said "its a thankless job".
As i pointed out to him... there is a difference to helping and being nice, being there for your friends/family/partner/kids... and a totally different line for being a doormat. Noone appriciated what he did for them. Or the fact that they also put a strain on his realationship with me (obviously that didnt matter to him of course seeing as it ended anyway) yet he continued to "stand by them" and "help" them, ccontinuously getting used and mistreated again and again.
His parent is never in the house always at their parnter's house and neither are his siblings. He practically lives alone but as soon as something went wong. The parent was quick to point the finger all because he'd stuck around and stayed in the house. Im sorry if this sounds selfish, but i'd have gotten out of that years ago just as i was trying to help my own life get back to the way it should have been.

I was a carer. Did everything for my mum, sacrificed loads for her. Hoped she would realise and help herself but she didnt. I loved her, and refused to leave her no matter how bad it got including her taking knives to me. I wanted to stick by her and help. But i knew it wasnt safe for me, and that my life was being hindered. It was time to get out. Before id even made plans properly she was gone from this world in some bizzare twist to fate. I miss her, always will but i know im better when she isnt here. I can finally lead my own life.

 

[Ungenericteen]

Hold a door for some people and slam it open see someone is there catch it and it was right in front of this girls face, instead of thanking me for stoping the door, she yells at me for "slapping her" maybe if the door hit her in the face the ***** would get that yelling at people who try to help makes you have no friends.

 

[Giest4life]

I once suggested to a co-worker that she should perhaps, once in while, bring out the caning stick for her children. And she thought I was joking, and when I reassured her that I was most certainly not joking (I really wasn't) she, along with a few other female colleague thought I was a monster. That's the last time I gave them any advice.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

Organic foods are more expensive.

Eating meat instead of organic food is cheaper.

Eating meat is cheaper than not eating meat.

How is that for logic? Honestly I don't care much for the discussion, but from where I'm sitting the vegans just look like people with too much money and time on their hands.

http://lifehacker.com/5271178/cook-for-good-plans-meals-for-less-than-two-dollars

I'm sorry, how is this relevant? I could eat cereal for breakfast, lunch and dinner and it would be dirt-cheap. That doesn't make it a good idea, nor something I would do.

I see you didn't read the site. There's no cereal in it at all. Just freshly made, locally grown food. The food plan itself isn't vegan, but it certainly proves that cutting out meat can be not only very cheap but healthy as well.

http://www.cookforgood.com/shopping_list_current_green.html

A balanced vegan diet is very good for your health.

 

[manaman]

I was out with my band-mates and we threw a piece of rubbish into someone else's bin. The owner of the house came outside and nagged our ear off about doing so, Better than littering I said.

I just wanted to share a bit of a story. When I lived in Tacoma a neighbour threw a dead crow into my trash can. I asked them what the hell they where doing since they have their own trash can. I really was a bit up in their face. Turns out my cat killed the crow and left it in the ally, and they didn't feel like putting it in their can since they had just picked up the trash that morning.

Anyway, as long as it wasn't a dead animal, or a weeks worth of their garbage I wouldn't really care if someone stuck something in my trash can. Like you said it is better then littering.

 

[Camembert]

How is empathy relevant to the discussion? You are talking logic, yet bring in arguments based solely on emotion... And bingo! Those emotions may differ from person to person.

I should never have let myself be drawn into this, but I will continue as long as you do, although with a heavy heart. It will be rough, we may shed some tears, but ultimately we will come out stronger on the other side!

Still, having a healthy diet without including meat is impossible if you only have so much money to toss around. Believe you me.
I just assumed the "organic" thing, since we are talking vegan and not-vegan, and any true vegan would also only eat organic... Which is very expensive compared to other products.

EDIT: Also, no need for personal insults such as "We're not talking about that, genius" - there's no point. I'm being friendly to you, be friendly to me.

You're right, you're right, you're right. It's just your comment about organic food consumption annoyed me. I apologise.

As far as empathy being an emotion, I do not think my example shows emotional - only rational - thinking, apart from the very last step - 'OK, I won't support that market anymore', which admittedly is a mark of integrity rather than logic. However, I believe the prior steps to be quite logical. It is logical to assume the animals are having a less than fantabulous time, no?

Anyway... you seem to think that it is more logical to save money than it is to prevent foods covered in chemicals from entering your body, so in that instance logic also differs from person to person.

And thanks ThrobbingEgo, now I'm terrified that whatever I say you will be casting a critical eye over it and thinking, 'Nay! That stupid wench and her fallacies!' : |

"to prevent foods covered in chemicals from entering your body"... Ehhh no.
I'm not talking about some sick, perverted way of raising animals. I'm just talking about the fact that I would rather have both a steak and veggies on my plate, rather than just veggies... Especially if it also allows me to save money.
That's the logic: I like meat, therefore I will naturally allow myself to eat meat.
The logic isn't necessarily that I save money, but rather that I do what appeals to me the most.

Sorry - just to clarify here, I'd gone back to talking about organic/non organic. One argument is that it's better to eat non-organic because it's cheaper; another is that it's better to eat organic because it hasn't been sprayed with chemicals and so is healthier

Depends which you prefer to prioritise... my only point was that, here, logic is 'differing from person to person', in answer to your comment about emotion, although now I see that I wasn't making much sense. Please, leave the logic to ThrobbingEgo