"It's just my opinion"

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Zamn

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"It's just my opinion". There are few phrases that get me foaming at the mouth as rapidly as this one. What's wrong with it? Well that, my friend, is what this thread is all about.

Almost every debate I get into, whether in real life or online, the person I'm talking to inevitably falls back on that old reliable "it's just my opinion" and the person saying this generally assumes that this is immediately the end of the argument, because everybody is entitled to their opinion, and who am I to be critical of theirs? Essentially, most people seem to assume the subjectivist view that all opinions are equally valid, and consider anybody who doesn't share this assumption as intolerant and arrogant.

But have they really thought it through? If we were to genuinely accept that all opinions are equally valid, then all discussion is rendered irrelevant, how can we possibly discuss the merits of my position versus your position if both positions are perfectly correct just because we hold them? If you have ever thought that somebody else is wrong about anything then you have acknowledged that thier opinion is not equally valid with yours. Everyone implicitly accepts that some opinions are more valid than others.

If all opinions are not equally valid, then you are perfectly entitled to criticise someone else's opinion. It doesn't undermine their right to an opinion, you're not forcing them to change it, you're merely arguing that it's flawed in some way. "It's just my opinion" is an utterly redundant phrase, there is no reason somebody cannot be critical of your opinion, and indeed the same thing applies to taste which is just a form of opinion relating to specific areas.

So next time somebody tells you your opinion is wrong, don't regurgitate that pathetic old phrase, tell them why it's not wrong.
 

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Just because you have a right to your opinion does not protect you from being wrong.
 

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This reminds me of a conversation I had in college; a girl said to me: "I have the right to my opinion" to which I replied: "Yes, and we have the right not to hear it".
 

A Weary Exile

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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion no matter how wrong they may be.

That's just my opinion (Hurr hurr hurr).
 

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Many matters in which I use that phrase there really IS no generally accepted right or wrong because the community/world itself is still debating it.
Religion, for example. There are too pros and cons and many people fight over it. So it's no generally accepted yet, still open for discussion etc.
(Note: This is not a thread about religion. Please do not make it one, I am just using it for examples sake.)
 

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I agree to an extent. The problems as far as I can see are:

1. People who present their opinion as cold hard fact (This game is the best because I say it is)
2. People who present opinions on subjects that can be proven or disproven by fact ("I think X caused Y", when all evidence suggests that Y caused X).
3. When it comes to people liking things, opinions are pretty much equal. You can't really tell someone they're wrong for liking something, and I'd damned sure be pissed if someone said that to me.

At the end of the day, your entire post is opinion. Some will agree, some won't. All you can do is stand by it and try, hopefully without resorting to flaming, to put your argument across.
 

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pipboy2009 said:
I agree to an extent. The problems as far as I can see are:

1. People who present their opinion as cold hard fact (This game is the best because I say it is)
2. People who present opinions on subjects that can be proven or disproven by fact ("I think X caused Y", when all evidence suggests that Y caused X).
3. When it comes to people liking things, opinions are pretty much equal. You can't really tell someone they're wrong for liking something, and I'd damned sure be pissed if someone said that to me.

At the end of the day, your entire post is opinion. Some will agree, some won't. All you can do is stand by it and try, hopefully without resorting to flaming, to put your argument across.
I think to some extent you have to consider your own opinions as fact, if you genuinely believe them then you think they are actual truths, while also being aware of your own fallablity and not being too chauvanistic about it.

Ultimately saying "you're wrong" and "I disagree with you" are the same thing, the latter is only preferable because it's more respectful. I would say this can be applied even to things normally considered totally subjective like musical taste. "I don't like jazz" and "jazz is bad" boil down to the same sentiment. I'm not saying that you should go around telling other people that their taste in music is wrong because that would be enormously rude, but we all implicitly say that by saying things like "I don't like jazz".
 

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Zamn said:
pipboy2009 said:
I agree to an extent. The problems as far as I can see are:

1. People who present their opinion as cold hard fact (This game is the best because I say it is)
2. People who present opinions on subjects that can be proven or disproven by fact ("I think X caused Y", when all evidence suggests that Y caused X).
3. When it comes to people liking things, opinions are pretty much equal. You can't really tell someone they're wrong for liking something, and I'd damned sure be pissed if someone said that to me.

At the end of the day, your entire post is opinion. Some will agree, some won't. All you can do is stand by it and try, hopefully without resorting to flaming, to put your argument across.
I think to some extent you have to consider your own opinions as fact, if you genuinely believe them then you think they are actual truths, while also being aware of your own fallablity and not being too chauvanistic about it.

Ultimately saying "you're wrong" and "I disagree with you" are the same thing, the latter is only preferable because it's more respectful. I would say this can be applied even to things normally considered totally subjective like musical taste. "I don't like jazz" and "jazz is bad" boil down to the same sentiment. I'm not saying that you should go around telling other people that their taste in music is wrong because that would be enormously rude, but we all implicitly say that by saying things like "I don't like jazz".
That much is true, you need to have courage in your convictions to argue a point. But I don't necessarily think "I disagree" and "You're wrong" are always the same. I can say "I disagree, but I understand why you think as you do", whereas "You're wrong" is more dismissive.

Ultimately, I always see a difference of opinion as a good thing. Argument stimulates new ideas, and I've learned loads of things through debating friends, even if I end up with the same viewpoint I had when I started. The real problems are when people can't articulate why they think other people are wrong.
 

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I can't speak for anyone else, but I use that phrase because there are some times when you can just tell that someone is gonna get all up in arms over what you said. It's happened to me several times on this forum. I say something and someone who disagrees jumps my shit and tells me how I'm wrong, and they usually try to force me to see it their way. So, I say, 'this is just an opinion, don't jump on me and try to change it.' Reason is, I think things though. I try to have an intelligent, informed opinion, instead of just thinking something for no reason. So when someone blindly jumps in and tries to force me to change my opinion, it offends me. And it just gets really old besides.
 

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Spaceman_Spiff said:
Opinions can't be wrong, but they can still be fucking retarded.
The difference being? Of course they can be wrong. My opinion is that the world is flat. Is that not wrong?
 

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Well, if its a debate, then I'd counter with "but that's not what we're debating". Tell them that you're debating facts, and while opinions would be appreciated, they're not debatable and thus, have no place in an intellectual discourse.
 

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Zamn said:
Spaceman_Spiff said:
Opinions can't be wrong, but they can still be fucking retarded.
The difference being? Of course they can be wrong. My opinion is that the world is flat. Is that not wrong?
yes Since we have proof that is round. We have people go up and space and take pictures, whe have smart people tell us it's round, we have people from ye olde time telling us it's round

WORLD IS ROUND, just because you say "I think the moon is made of cheese" And I say "no" then you rebutal with " well you haven't been there so how would you know" Still doesn't mean that you are still in thr right
 

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Inarticulate_Underachiever said:
I'm pretty sure 90% of people who use that line are quoting The Big Lebowski.
Well, that's like, you know, your opinion, man.

And to anyone who thinks that their opinions are just as valid as anyone's, then i have 3 words for you - "Flat Earth Society".
 

Sightless Wisdom

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An opinion can never be wrong, it's not an attempted factualism, it's just a collection of thoughts. Your have the right to be as critical of anyone's opinion as you want, but to try to tell them that your opinion is better, somehow supirrior, is illogical nonsense.
 

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Ya some opinions have more substance than others. This is true if some one has facts to back up their opinion while the other person does not.
 

Sightless Wisdom

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Zamn said:
Spaceman_Spiff said:
Opinions can't be wrong, but they can still be fucking retarded.
The difference being? Of course they can be wrong. My opinion is that the world is flat. Is that not wrong?
Alright now I just think your an idiot. There is factual proff that sais the world is wrong. Therefor, that is not an opinion, but a falsehood.
 

Zamn

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Kuchinawa212 said:
Zamn said:
Spaceman_Spiff said:
Opinions can't be wrong, but they can still be fucking retarded.
The difference being? Of course they can be wrong. My opinion is that the world is flat. Is that not wrong?
yes Since we have proof that is round. We have people go up and space and take pictures, whe have smart people tell us it's round, we have people from ye olde time telling us it's round

WORLD IS ROUND, just because you say "I think the moon is made of cheese" And I say "no" then you rebutal with " well you haven't been there so how would you know" Still doesn't mean that you are still in thr right
Well you've accepted that it is possible for an opinion to be wrong. Things don't fall neatly into categories of "proven facts" and "subjective opinions". Right now, you can hold a range of different reasonable opinions on, say, what dark matter is, but in fifty years time when we know what dark matter is your opinion, so reasonable in 2009, could just be plain wrong. And if it's wrong in 2059, it was wrong all along.