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Me55enger

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I'm sure if Hitler knew what his ideology has been turned into, he would, like, start a genocide in his sheer rage. Somehow, that makes me sit a little more comfortably with the absurdity.

Thank you also for putting the finger on the pulse of how history is defined.
 

octafish

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Dating sims are weird, even when they don't have bishie National Socialists.

And yes, this is my posting voice, it's not irony, it's not Rock & Roll,
We're just talking, to the Kids.

I'm going to have to dig out my Art Brut CDs now.
 

PunkRex

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Daystar Clarion said:
Next up, My Little Third Reich, where the Nazi 6 discover that friendship and genocide go hand in hand.
Oh no Rommelshy, it's night of long knives and the party favors arn't here yet!

Hitler-pie no baka!
 

momijirabbit

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Future Erin is the most Kawaii thing I have ever seen.
Won't be long now until Hitler is referred to as "Tragically Misunderstood"
 

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Imperioratorex Caprae said:
Imp Emissary said:
It should be noted that Japan was kind of on Germany's side in the war, kind of. Plus, I doubt they dwell too much on exactly why the Nazis are so hatted. At least, I hope they don't know all the details. <-<
I feel personally Japan just sided with the people they thought were going to win but had no shits to give on their personal politics, just an excuse to attempt to be the biggest dick in the room. And they had a damn good opening shot on Pearl Harbor. I may not agree with their choice of "allies" or their methods but you gotta respect the balls it takes to plan and execute such an attack. I know there were other political and economic pressures, but they picked the biggest target, and delivered the world's loudest bitchslap with effective ease. They only failed because they missed the US carriers and didn't follow up with any coordinated strikes on other military targets. I guess their egos made them think they'd already won and when the US mobilized into the Pacific, Japan realized it wasn't going to be that easy. Still they held their own damn well for a long time.
Even Germany had a great start to the war, but made too many mistakes by having way too many fronts to attack and defend. Pissing off Russia wasn't smart either.
I have an appreciation for bold tactics, even if I am disgusted with the social practices of the Germans.

But back OT, I'll never understand people who identify with the Nazi ideals. Its so ludicrous.
Honestly, it was their "ideals" that did them in at the end. The war wasn't just about weapons and tactics, it had a lot to do with personal policy as well.

Because the Nazis didn't want to accept anyone that fit their "ideal human" (which they had trouble even figuring out anyway) they lost anyone who could have helped them base on bigoted bullshit (like say, Albert Einstein). It's not even about good or evil but being wasteful. Perhaps if they tried to indoctrinate those 6 million plus people into their military instead of wasting time/resources slowly killing them they may have fared better in the war.

And like you said, if they didn't try to fight all of the world at once, they wouldn't have had such a hard time either.

For Japan it was more a issue of pride. Honestly though, I don't think the way some Japanese see the Nazis is half as bad as they way some try to forget what they did to the Chinese during the war.
Heck, recently a politician was asked about the force sex labor of Chinese citizens and brushed it off ass "We were taking care of our soldiers moral".

Don't get worn, I like Japan, and I have German ancestry, so it's not like I hate them all for these mistakes of their pasts. It would just be nice if they were more upfront about it.

Then again, America has similar issues with some of it's citizens not wanting to admit the country did some terrible terrible thing in it's past too. Some just as if not more recent than WW2.

Hell, we still have people who try to say the civil war[sub](sidenote: that's an ironic thing to call a war)[/sub] wasn't about slavery. ;p
 

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I was always bothered by the red armbands in Persona 3...

http://cartoonesia.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/persona-3_00333365.png

... but apparently it's a thing in <url=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RedArmbandOfLeadership>Japanese schools.

Context!
 

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momijirabbit said:
Future Erin is the most Kawaii thing I have ever seen.
Won't be long now until Hitler is referred to as "Tragically Misunderstood"
There are some what if theories about if he had been able to get into art school like he wanted, maybe he never would have turned out to be such an A-hole.

But if wishes, and "what if"s could be made so, we would all be as happy as this Erin right now.

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kailus13

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It's a good thing that everyone's s robot in the future. Otherwise future Erins hair would poke peoples eyes out.
Daystar Clarion said:
Next up, My Little Third Reich, where the Nazi 6 discover that friendship and genocide go hand in hand.
And then commit mass suicide when they realise none of them have blue eyes and blonde hair? XD
 

Coruptin

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Asians penchant for doing cute thing X dangerous thing (tanks, aircrafts, aircraft carriers, other war machines, Nazism, soviet Russia) will never cease to infuriate me
 

B5Alpha

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Imperioratorex Caprae said:
cut to save space
I'm pretty sure winter hit and then the Khan died before they could prepare an invasion army. I could be wrong, but I think the new Khan (I don't remember the year) either wasn't as expansive or was focused on China.

Well, they did care, they had to side with America's enemies, and World War I showed that it was only a matter of time until America came to Britain's aid. Anyway, Germany and Japan were a good match; Japan did some really messed up stuff to PoW's, and even that's not much compared to what they did to the Chinese. Quite surprised that Imperial Japan doesn't get as much flak as the Nazis. I guess in today's politically correct world you can't demonize a group of Asians even when they demonized other groups of Asians.
 

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The problem mostly comes down to Japan's "teach to the test" educational system. Of course Japan, being a first world, democratic, capitalist country, there is some degree of educational diversity. Public and private schools, some Montessori, prefectural differences. But for the majority of Japanese, their History education will mostly come down to a list of names, dates, locations and easily memorized ideas that they will be tested on in order to get into the best possible school they can. At which point, they will likely coast for 4 years and then take a job where a knowledge of history is about as useful as an appendix. More so, East Asian countries in general do not tend to focus on the European theatre of World War 2, instead focusing mostly on Japan's actions. While this does make some degree of sense, it also means that the lessons of World War 2, and subsequently the Shoa, is often lost on these countries.
 

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Zombie Badger said:
Hell, many Americans glorify the side that fought for the right to own black people and hang their flag outside their houses.
Yeah, I just find it more disturbing how so many enactors seem to actively glorify that side of the war, whereas the Confederate Flag has become a far more sterile symbol of "Southern Pride." Then again, there's been some sterilisation of the war itself. Just not quite to the same extent. People do sometimes say that the war had nothing to do with the owning of slaves, which is just plain wrong. I admit it was more complicated than just "slavery," though.

Imp Emissary said:
And Erin still doesn't think it's weird that Suchong is alive, because she's clueless. Or believes in the power of skittles.
Skittles have lots of power. They are made by mass murdering rainbows. xD[/quote]

What Erin doesn't know is that Skittles are like unicorn blood. You will only live a half life from then on. Clearly, she is a monster. >.>

Also, good point about Civil War re-enactors. As the saying goes, "people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks."

But that's why we have pillows.
;p

It should be noted that Japan was kind of on Germany's side in the war, kind of. Plus, I doubt they dwell too much on exactly why the Nazis are so hatted. At least, I hope they don't know all the details. <-<
There's also a certain negative side effect to the erasure we see in a lot of cultures. Not just of Nazis, but in general. If we ignore something long enough, it'll lose context. Simply not wanting to talk about being on the losing side of WW2 might have this effect.

It's just weird from an outside perspective, because I doubt the Aryan Master Race would have stayed on good terms with the Japanese.

But again, I come from the nation that locked away George Takei for national security purposes, so I try not to say "Japanese people were wrong."

In war time, a lot of people, even smart people, do stupid or horrible things.

Then again, now that we have gorilla glass, maybe we can resume stone throwing. <.<
 

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SadakoMoose said:
The problem mostly comes down to Japan's "teach to the test" educational system. Of course Japan, being a first world, democratic, capitalist country, there is some degree of educational diversity. Public and private schools, some Montessori, prefectural differences. But for the majority of Japanese, their History education will mostly come down to a list of names, dates, locations and easily memorized ideas that they will be tested on in order to get into the best possible school they can. At which point, they will likely coast for 4 years and then take a job where a knowledge of history is about as useful as an appendix. More so, East Asian countries in general do not tend to focus on the European theatre of World War 2, instead focusing mostly on Japan's actions. While this does make some degree of sense, it also means that the lessons of World War 2, and subsequently the Shoa, is often lost on these countries.
As for other Asians
Us Koreans were constantly reminded about how the Japanese sided with the evil Nazis and subjugated our people and neighbors
I didn't even finish first grade in Korea before I moved

Asians love teaching their kids to hate Japan almost as much as they love teaching mythological nationalistic anecdotes as factual history
 

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Its not only anime and manga. The gothic subculture sports a strong militaristic fashion, in europe WWII reenactment is strong, even SS Units and even by people who are not neo-nazis.
Subcultures are based on subverting forbidden images. They always were. But since in our age of ultra-capitalism every culture and sub-culture gets monetized and marketed, its only natural that, with time, even the "nazi-chic" will come back.
 

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I think that Nazis had pretty aesthetic symbolism going on :0
The eagle symbol looks way cooler and I like the design of the party flag.
I think flags with just three lines of colours are really boring.
 

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Zombie Badger said:
Hell, many Americans glorify the side that fought for the right to own black people and hang their flag outside their houses.
Quite a few actually. I'm not sure how much thought most of them put into it, but in many states (especially south of the Macy-Dixie) it's not at all uncommon to see people hanging up Confederate flags or hating on 'the Yankees' or various other things like that.

And I'm an idiot that can't read apparently. Whoops.
 

Coruptin

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Ya'kno, as a conservative Korean living in Georgia I take some offence to the sentiment that southern pride equates to,
Lel those rednecks are racism

No, for most people the civil war wasn't about slavery. In the larger picture slavery was a major contributor yes, but only because the republican party pressed it as an issue making the few people with money and thus slaves uneasy. To the average individual it was simply a fight to protect their home families and personal rights.
You know what made them bitter and take their frustrations of losing the war on black people? The government that imposed marshal law on them and took away their right to affect the federal government just to add insult to injury and humiliate them some more.

Those confederate flags are about when we wouldn't just concede to the NSA passing around nudes or a short sighted government that couldn't keep track of their own finances and punished the people for their mistakes.

Additionally I haven't met a racist asshole who wasn't either from the north or a big city like downtown Atlanta.
 

Kuredan

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It's really sad when we forget our history and glorify the wrong parts or romanticize out the faults. We shouldn't trivialize the suffering of others, even for comedy. I'm not saying we have to agonize over it, but put in perspective and maintain a modicum of respect, especially if the history is fresh enough to contain survivors.

As for Japan, they have such a skewed perspective on modern history and penchant for not admitting mistakes, I wouldn't be surprised if they have a fascination with all the wrong parts of WWII. Just ask a Korean person about Japan's collective amnesia about WWII or Iran's (and much of the Arab world as well) denial the Holocaust. We're not arguing stuff from a preliterate age here... some people who experienced it are still alive (though sadly less every year)!