It's ok to be angry about capitalism

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At this point, I don't think capitalists know what capitalism is
So, I love the Culture series by Ian Banks. It's actually the series that got me into science fiction. For those not familiar with it, the Culture itself is a utopian anarcho-communist spacefaring society that serves as the background for the stories. The fact that the Culture is anarcho-communist is not subtext. It is extremely text. The term literally appears on multiple occasions. It is constantly emphasized that the Culture does not use money. The book Player of Games is a thinly veiled critique of capitalism.

But somehow, there has always been a sizeable contingent of American libertarians (including Elon Musk, who seems to particularly love Player of Games) who are really, really into the series because they see the Culture as indicative of "American values".

These people genuinely believe that a society where everyone can have basically anything they want and has nearly limitless freedom must be in some way a capitalist society because in their mind capitalism = freedom/high standard of living/anything good, to the point of believing that capitalism does not actually require money. Even literally using the words is not enough to make them realize that what they actually want isn't capitalism.

This is what the end of history does to a MF.
 
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These people genuinely believe that a society where everyone can have basically anything they want and has nearly limitless freedom must be in some way a capitalist society because in their mind capitalism = freedom/high standard of living/anything good, to the point of believing that capitalism does not actually require money. Even literally using the words is not enough to make them realize that what they actually want isn't capitalism.
It's because they've conflated capitalism with democracy.
 

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Sun's snacking won't change the value of his investment, however. His $6.2 million purchase awarded him a roll of duct tape, instructions on how to "install" the banana properly and most importantly, a certificate of authenticity guaranteeing the artwork, when reproduced by Sun, as an original work of Cattelan’s
It's both infuriating and hilarious.

Also
 

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For fuck sakes. Fuck the insurance industry. Invest in low-cost index funds, fuck annuities. Don't even get me started about mutual funds.
 

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Indeed, moving to a dead planet is a great solution to humanity's failings on this one.
I think the thing that perhaps bothers me about the hero worship of billionaires is that very little respect is reciprocated. I suspect most of them fear and hate the general public.

They fear that one day we might use our numbers to take away their shinies, they hate us for not letting them do as they wish, with added contempt that they fundamentally view us as inferior. I think they're possibly afraid that one day people might realise they're just guys who struck lucky by being in the right place and time, and they never actually had anything that raised them above thousands, tens of thousands of others in a similar position who could have as easily got lucky.

I almost get it, in that honestly I'm not at all sure the world would be any worse if we did just tax the crap out of them to stop many of them becoming so absurdly rich, so no wonder they throw so much time and effort at trying to make sure we don't.
 
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I think they're possibly afraid that one day people might realise they're just guys who struck lucky by being in the right place and time, and they never actually had anything that raised them above thousands, tens of thousands of others in a similar position who could have as easily got lucky.
A lot of the super-rich have convinced themselves that they got that way through nothing but their own hard work and natural superiority, but I think at least most of them know deep down that it's all bullshit- but to actually acknowledge it would obliterate their fragile egos.
 

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A lot of the super-rich have convinced themselves that they got that way through nothing but their own hard work and natural superiority, but I think at least most of them know deep down that it's all bullshit- but to actually acknowledge it would obliterate their fragile egos.
Depends. I'm sure there are narcissistically inclined ones with fragile egos, but I also think some have long since utterly convinced themselves of their own superiority down to the core, and the only way they'll be convinced otherwise is utter failure or being torn down.