We're not talking about pure sales figures though. I'm talking about over all sucess. If you want to talk about which handheld can actually support a mature games market, then Nintendo fails in that department, as seen be the flop of GTA Chinatown Wars, which was also the most critically acclaimed game on the DS. Then there's it's lack of 3rd party support, something Nintendo just fails at across the board. But is the DS considered a failure? No. A failure would mean that it actually lost a business money. Second place in a race of 2 isn't failure. Yes the DS has way more numbers, but it's had a monopoly on the handheld market for the past 20 years. To be able to survive within the last 6 years of that, even selling less than half of the competitor of this current generation, is a feat that only Sony can brag about.Quartermaine said:Worldwide DS sales as of September 2010 = 135 millionAzrealMaximillion said:I'd say so condiering worldwide selling 62 million, and being around for 6 years. You can't tell me that 62 million is a small number. Especially when there are more PSPs here in N.America than there are in Japan. You also can't say that just because one regoin is doing poorly that a product isn't an overall success. That's like calling the Xbox 360 a failure because of it's abysmal sales in Japan. It just doesn't make sense. Taking specific regions of sales and trying to say that a product is doing badly overall is just nit picking for points. And if you have to do that then you really can't call thr PSP a failure. And UMDs can't be that massive failure if people chose them over the digital distrobution model of the PSPGo.Quartermaine said:I second that motion.Syphous said:I really want to see a PS3/360 Monster Hunter.
Well it's certainly not a resounding success in Australia, UMD format was a massive failure, sorry but success is not defined by market persistence.AzrealMaximillion said:I don't think being the only competitor to survive going up against the DS as long as it has constitutes use of the word failure. The Virtual Boy was a failure, The N-Gage was a failure. Being in the market for 6 years is not a failure. Look the definition of the word.D_987 said:In the West, and compared to the DS - yes, the PSP is a failure. I don't see how two or three high selling games in Japan change that.AzrealMaximillion said:And people say the PSP is a failure...hah
Worldwide PSP sales as of June 2nd 2009 = 51 million
There is about 50 million DSes in America Alone. 62 million PSPs worldwide might be a success; but nowhere near the success of DS if we are talking about a pure sales figure.
My original point still stands, 2nd place in a 2 horse race is still last I'm afraid. As for third party support lacking for Nintendo, Shovelware would like a word with you.AzrealMaximillion said:We're not talking about pure sales figures though. I'm talking about over all sucess. If you want to talk about which handheld can actually support a mature games market, then Nintendo fails in that department, as seen be the flop of GTA Chinatown Wars, which was also the most critically acclaimed game on the DS. Then there's it's lack of 3rd party support, something Nintendo just fails at across the board. But is the DS considered a failure? No. A failure would mean that it actually lost a business money. Second place in a race of 2 isn't failure. Yes the DS has way more numbers, but it's had a monopoly on the handheld market for the past 20 years. To be able to survive within the last 6 years of that, even selling less than half of the competitor of this current generation, is a feat that only Sony can brag about.Quartermaine said:Worldwide DS sales as of September 2010 = 135 millionAzrealMaximillion said:I'd say so condiering worldwide selling 62 million, and being around for 6 years. You can't tell me that 62 million is a small number. Especially when there are more PSPs here in N.America than there are in Japan. You also can't say that just because one regoin is doing poorly that a product isn't an overall success. That's like calling the Xbox 360 a failure because of it's abysmal sales in Japan. It just doesn't make sense. Taking specific regions of sales and trying to say that a product is doing badly overall is just nit picking for points. And if you have to do that then you really can't call thr PSP a failure. And UMDs can't be that massive failure if people chose them over the digital distrobution model of the PSPGo.Quartermaine said:I second that motion.Syphous said:I really want to see a PS3/360 Monster Hunter.
Well it's certainly not a resounding success in Australia, UMD format was a massive failure, sorry but success is not defined by market persistence.AzrealMaximillion said:I don't think being the only competitor to survive going up against the DS as long as it has constitutes use of the word failure. The Virtual Boy was a failure, The N-Gage was a failure. Being in the market for 6 years is not a failure. Look the definition of the word.D_987 said:In the West, and compared to the DS - yes, the PSP is a failure. I don't see how two or three high selling games in Japan change that.AzrealMaximillion said:And people say the PSP is a failure...hah
Worldwide PSP sales as of June 2nd 2009 = 51 million
There is about 50 million DSes in America Alone. 62 million PSPs worldwide might be a success; but nowhere near the success of DS if we are talking about a pure sales figure.
There's a difference between shovelware and actual support. Nintendo lacks actual support. Not many 3rd party companies can't make any money off of Nintendo products. That needs to be fixed.Quartermaine said:My original point still stands, 2nd place in a 2 horse race is still last I'm afraid. As for third party support lacking for Nintendo, Shovelware would like a word with you.AzrealMaximillion said:We're not talking about pure sales figures though. I'm talking about over all sucess. If you want to talk about which handheld can actually support a mature games market, then Nintendo fails in that department, as seen be the flop of GTA Chinatown Wars, which was also the most critically acclaimed game on the DS. Then there's it's lack of 3rd party support, something Nintendo just fails at across the board. But is the DS considered a failure? No. A failure would mean that it actually lost a business money. Second place in a race of 2 isn't failure. Yes the DS has way more numbers, but it's had a monopoly on the handheld market for the past 20 years. To be able to survive within the last 6 years of that, even selling less than half of the competitor of this current generation, is a feat that only Sony can brag about.Quartermaine said:Worldwide DS sales as of September 2010 = 135 millionAzrealMaximillion said:I'd say so condiering worldwide selling 62 million, and being around for 6 years. You can't tell me that 62 million is a small number. Especially when there are more PSPs here in N.America than there are in Japan. You also can't say that just because one regoin is doing poorly that a product isn't an overall success. That's like calling the Xbox 360 a failure because of it's abysmal sales in Japan. It just doesn't make sense. Taking specific regions of sales and trying to say that a product is doing badly overall is just nit picking for points. And if you have to do that then you really can't call thr PSP a failure. And UMDs can't be that massive failure if people chose them over the digital distrobution model of the PSPGo.Quartermaine said:I second that motion.Syphous said:I really want to see a PS3/360 Monster Hunter.
Well it's certainly not a resounding success in Australia, UMD format was a massive failure, sorry but success is not defined by market persistence.AzrealMaximillion said:I don't think being the only competitor to survive going up against the DS as long as it has constitutes use of the word failure. The Virtual Boy was a failure, The N-Gage was a failure. Being in the market for 6 years is not a failure. Look the definition of the word.D_987 said:In the West, and compared to the DS - yes, the PSP is a failure. I don't see how two or three high selling games in Japan change that.AzrealMaximillion said:And people say the PSP is a failure...hah
Worldwide PSP sales as of June 2nd 2009 = 51 million
There is about 50 million DSes in America Alone. 62 million PSPs worldwide might be a success; but nowhere near the success of DS if we are talking about a pure sales figure.
I can live without most of those, but I've read about the MMO and said that it would be something fantastic... sigh... At least their reason for not releasing it outside of Japan is a plausible one, it's just not financially feasible with World of Warcraft already here and the PSP of the game barely selling a fraction of what Japan offers.gigastar said:-le' snip!-
Good point, well made. I see where you're coming from now.AzrealMaximillion said:There's a difference between shovelware and actual support. Nintendo lacks actual support. Not many 3rd party companies can't make any money off of Nintendo products. That needs to be fixed.Quartermaine said:My original point still stands, 2nd place in a 2 horse race is still last I'm afraid. As for third party support lacking for Nintendo, Shovelware would like a word with you.AzrealMaximillion said:We're not talking about pure sales figures though. I'm talking about over all sucess. If you want to talk about which handheld can actually support a mature games market, then Nintendo fails in that department, as seen be the flop of GTA Chinatown Wars, which was also the most critically acclaimed game on the DS. Then there's it's lack of 3rd party support, something Nintendo just fails at across the board. But is the DS considered a failure? No. A failure would mean that it actually lost a business money. Second place in a race of 2 isn't failure. Yes the DS has way more numbers, but it's had a monopoly on the handheld market for the past 20 years. To be able to survive within the last 6 years of that, even selling less than half of the competitor of this current generation, is a feat that only Sony can brag about.Quartermaine said:Worldwide DS sales as of September 2010 = 135 millionAzrealMaximillion said:I'd say so condiering worldwide selling 62 million, and being around for 6 years. You can't tell me that 62 million is a small number. Especially when there are more PSPs here in N.America than there are in Japan. You also can't say that just because one regoin is doing poorly that a product isn't an overall success. That's like calling the Xbox 360 a failure because of it's abysmal sales in Japan. It just doesn't make sense. Taking specific regions of sales and trying to say that a product is doing badly overall is just nit picking for points. And if you have to do that then you really can't call thr PSP a failure. And UMDs can't be that massive failure if people chose them over the digital distrobution model of the PSPGo.Quartermaine said:I second that motion.Syphous said:I really want to see a PS3/360 Monster Hunter.
Well it's certainly not a resounding success in Australia, UMD format was a massive failure, sorry but success is not defined by market persistence.AzrealMaximillion said:I don't think being the only competitor to survive going up against the DS as long as it has constitutes use of the word failure. The Virtual Boy was a failure, The N-Gage was a failure. Being in the market for 6 years is not a failure. Look the definition of the word.D_987 said:In the West, and compared to the DS - yes, the PSP is a failure. I don't see how two or three high selling games in Japan change that.AzrealMaximillion said:And people say the PSP is a failure...hah
Worldwide PSP sales as of June 2nd 2009 = 51 million
There is about 50 million DSes in America Alone. 62 million PSPs worldwide might be a success; but nowhere near the success of DS if we are talking about a pure sales figure.
And no your point doesn't still stand. I'm talking from a business stand point, you keep bringing up the fact that the PSP is behind in sales. Yes I know it's very behind, but the fact is from a business standpoint, they are still making money off of every sale. 3 party companies can actually put products for all market on the PSP and make money, unlike GTA on the DS or MadWorld on the Wii. They're going up against a giant that had a stronghold on handheld gaming for 20+ years. I highly doubt that they had a business plan to have bigger sales than the DS. That's just idiotic, any business analyst will tell you that. You can keep calling it a failure because it has less but at the end of the day it's still making Sony lots of money. Something Nokia can't say about the N-Gage.