Japanese Eroge Company Renames Rape Games to "Platinum Games"

[Handofpwn]

Like I said before, thanks for your demeaning, ageist attacks

The shoe fits. Would you prefer I lie to you? All I'm doing is saying you seem rather young to me in your approach. When you're 32, you'll realize that this isn't a flat out insult, as there's a certain underpinning of envy to it.

Interesting how you quickly edited out the bulk of your text here. I assume it was due to the remark about people under a certain age, say 32 years, being ignorant. I must confess that i rather agree with the others in this thread, rapelay does not simulate rape, it is merely a game on the subject depicting acts associated with it. now if it had you, day, carefully plan it out and teach you exactly how to subdue the attacked, then I would agree with your argument. Alas, this is not the case and im afraid we must agree to disagree on these matters.

Edit: I do however agree, as im sure that most on here will, that child pornography is wrong. However, the materials in question were not in fact classified as child porn under the current laws being that they are not photographs or videos. Although the lollicon genre isnt my cup of tea, I still believe in our rights and believe that if thats how he gets his jollies, better he read about it then act it out.

Yours,
Handofpwn

 

[geldonyetich]

Like I said before, thanks for your demeaning, ageist attacks

The shoe fits. Would you prefer I lie to you? All I'm doing is saying you seem rather young to me in your approach. When you're 32, you'll realize that this isn't a flat out insult, as there's a certain underpinning of envy to it.

Interesting how you quickly edited out the bulk of your text here. I assume it was due to the remark about people under a certain age, say 32 years, being ignorant.

It was because I wrote it while the other guy was formulating his reply so I decided to be a good sport and make it match what he quoted.

I must confess that i rather agree with the others in this thread, rapelay does not simulate rape, it is merely a game on the subject depicting acts associated with it. now if it had you, day, carefully plan it out and teach you exactly how to subdue the attacked, then I would agree with your argument.

Well, you agree with one person who made that his point.

I would say that the lack of these details doesn't completely invalidate the use of the label, it merely makes it not a very thoroughly executed Rape Simulator. When push comes to shove, you're still tracking down these ladies off the street and forcing them to have sex with you, and the computer is simulating it. That's all the qualification I need for a mere label to apply.

Alas, this is not the case and im afraid we must agree to disagree on these matters.

First good recommendation I've heard for many pages. Honestly, as I said many times on this forum, I don't care much for Internet forum debates.

 

[Cryo84R]

The nukes didn't fuck them up THAT bad, did they?

 

[Mullahgrrl]

If I ever start designing games, then I am going to do it in Japan.

The things one could do within the bounds of japanese morality!

 

[geldonyetich]

If I ever start designing games, then I am going to do it in Japan.

The things one could do within the bounds of japanese morality!

The funny thing is, the Japanese are even more morally uptight than we are. The main reason you see this whole "Hentai" genre is because there seems to be a greater need to vent those pent up emotions. And now.. the Japanese have apparently banned rape games entirely [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/92126-Rape-Games-Banned-in-Japan-For-Real].

The name change to Platinum is mostly to fool Americans. Probably customs officials who wouldn't bat an eye at a game labeled "platinum" but might find "sex slave" interesting enough to break into their mail and send a fellow to an Iowa court [http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/manga-porn/].

 

[Pinstar]

Scientists labor around the clock to find out what the hell is the deal with Japan.

-Invasion of the Neptune Men, MST3K riff

 

[ryuutchi]

And I wasn't arguing that rape games increase rape-- just that they are part of a culture-wide push that desensitizes and minimizes the effects of rape.

Okay, that's about the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Just because some people don't make as big a deal about rape does not mean that a culture supports it. And the last time I checked, people in the U.S. have been advocating for the death penalty for rapists, where as people fight against the death penalty for murderers.

There's violence and murder in every form of media, but rape isn't. I can't possibly hope to see where you're coming from at all.

It's not really my problem that you can't see what's biting the end of your nose. Actually it is, since the perpetuation of the memes which minimize rape also serve to batter women constantly, but I'm really not in the right mood for Rape Culture 101. You could try Googling it.

But let me point out a few things: How often do you see headless women's torsos as opposed to men's in advertising? How often are women blamed for rape if they're wearing slutty clothes/drinking/out after dark? How often is rape posed as a compliment (as in, "lots of women want to have sex with so-and-so rapist celebrity" or "she's so ugly that she should be glad to be raped, since she'd never get laid otherwise"). How often is rape glorified or minimized in popular movies (see the minimizing of date rape in "Observe and Report", for instance)?

Honestly, if you can't see this shit, it because you can't see past the end of your ego. It's there if you actually look at anything the culture tells us about how men and women are supposed to interact.

 

[Mullahgrrl]

If I ever start designing games, then I am going to do it in Japan.

The things one could do within the bounds of japanese morality!

The funny thing is, the Japanese are even more morally uptight than we are. The main reason you see this whole "Hentai" genre is because there seems to be a greater need to vent those pent up emotions. And now.. the Japanese have apparently banned rape games entirely [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/92126-Rape-Games-Banned-in-Japan-For-Real].

I still think it could be fun to try and cater to such tastes, It would proberbly fail about as much as when the japs try and make games (specifically) for western audiences.

 

[Krakyn]

And I wasn't arguing that rape games increase rape-- just that they are part of a culture-wide push that desensitizes and minimizes the effects of rape.

Okay, that's about the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Just because some people don't make as big a deal about rape does not mean that a culture supports it. And the last time I checked, people in the U.S. have been advocating for the death penalty for rapists, where as people fight against the death penalty for murderers.

There's violence and murder in every form of media, but rape isn't. I can't possibly hope to see where you're coming from at all.

It's not really my problem that you can't see what's biting the end of your nose. Actually it is, since the perpetuation of the memes which minimize rape also serve to batter women constantly, but I'm really not in the right mood for Rape Culture 101. You could try Googling it.

But let me point out a few things: How often do you see headless women's torsos as opposed to men's in advertising? How often are women blamed for rape if they're wearing slutty clothes/drinking/out after dark? How often is rape posed as a compliment (as in, "lots of women want to have sex with so-and-so rapist celebrity" or "she's so ugly that she should be glad to be raped, since she'd never get laid otherwise"). How often is rape glorified or minimized in popular movies (see the minimizing of date rape in "Observe and Report", for instance)?

Honestly, if you can't see this shit, it because you can't see past the end of your ego. It's there if you actually look at anything the culture tells us about how men and women are supposed to interact.

Or maybe you're looking for something that's not there. Sexism is not equal to rape. You're equating two things that are lightyears apart.

I already don't feel like having a conversation with you. I don't care about rape statistics, your views on sexism in our society, or your militant feminism. I've been arguing all day, and I'm tired.

All I care about is the freedom to fantasize. If you don't like what goes on inside all those misogynist's heads, go ahead and destroy all the men in the world, see if I care. I don't want to rape people, I just want to defend people who fantasize about it - even the women. I'm more of an equalist than you'll ever be.

 

[geldonyetich]

I still think it could be fun to try and cater to such tastes, It would proberbly fail about as much as when the japs try and make games (specifically) for western audiences.

Could be interesting... but then, I get the feeling you get a little deeper into the development process, reach the point of, "what does it mean to develop for this taste" and suddenly realize you've roped yourself into making games for people with something seriously wrong with them.

 

[Mullahgrrl]

I still think it could be fun to try and cater to such tastes, It would proberbly fail about as much as when the japs try and make games (specifically) for western audiences.

Could be interesting... but then, I get the feeling you get a little deeper into the development process, reach the point of, "what does it mean to develop for this taste" and suddenly realize you've roped yourself into making games for people with something seriously wrong with them.

Hey, some of my best friends have something seriously wrong with them!

 

[geldonyetich]

Could be interesting... but then, I get the feeling you get a little deeper into the development process, reach the point of, "what does it mean to develop for this taste" and suddenly realize you've roped yourself into making games for people with something seriously wrong with them.

Hey, some of my best friends have something seriously wrong with them!

Ah, yes, but would you like to develop things for the parts of your friends that are seriously wrong?

There's the crux! It's like you're suddenly tasked to be a sewage treatment worker for the human mind.

 

[Krakyn]

I still think it could be fun to try and cater to such tastes, It would proberbly fail about as much as when the japs try and make games (specifically) for western audiences.

Could be interesting... but then, I get the feeling you get a little deeper into the development process, reach the point of, "what does it mean to develop for this taste" and suddenly realize you've roped yourself into making games for people with something seriously wrong with them.

As was stated before, rape fantasy is the most common fetish among men and women. I'm really sick of your misrepresentation of...well, everything.

 

[dudeman0001]

Double post, sorry.

 

[geldonyetich]

As was stated before, rape fantasy is the most common fetish among men and women. I'm really sick of your misrepresentation of...well, everything.

And I'm really sick of you thinking you've got a monopoly of the proper interpretation of things.

Granted, from your perspective, that probably seems like your line.

 

[MBFCPresident]

Meh, what're you gonna do?

 

[Krakyn]

As was stated before, rape fantasy is the most common fetish among men and women.

Maybe someone should make a game for women called RavishLay:

A ruthless demon mercenary. A lovely young halfling.In the dark, he'll find her.

A seductive beauty he can never have, yet can't resist...

Cade of the rage demons will stop at nothing to atone for the one wrong that will haunt him forever. But once he secures the key to his redemption, the halfling Holly Ashwin, Cade finds that the woman he thought he could use for his own ends and then forget haunts him as much as his past.

A tormented warrior she should fear, but can't deny...

Raised as a human, Holly Ashwin never knew that some frightening legends are real until she encounters a brutal demon who inexplicably guards her like a treasure. Thrust into a sensual new world of myth and power, with him as her protector, she begins to crave the demon?s wicked touch.

Surrender to dark desires...

Yet just when he earns Holly?s trust, will Cade be forced to betray the only woman who can sate his wildest needs?and claim his heart?

And let's not even get started on Women and Harry Potter fanfic...

I actually think that game is a great idea. There aren't enough hentai games for women, and this would fill that niche.

 

[Emphraim]

I find this whole rape game controversy silly. What all the people who oppose these games don't seem to notice is that Japan has one of the lowest rape rates in the world. Interestingly, the United States has about 15 times the rape rate of Japan. America has this problem of banning any media displaying sex yet having no moralistic qualms about violence.

 

[Zhalath]

Wait, what does that make Pokemon Platinum?

Seriously, this kind of thing can only hold off the hordes of Moral Guardians for so long. But now, they may have to actually look at the games, and you know, play them.