I don't give a damn about the games; I'm never going to play them. The real thing that comes to mind is WHO IN ALL HELL would want to play something like that?
Japanese Eroge Company Renames Rape Games to "Platinum Games"
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So, you going to make real point, or is ad hominem the only real debate tactic you know about?Joeshie said:
Welcome to our lovely discussion.
Yes, you're getting confused. But hey, you're a paperboy, it's your job. There are hookers in GTA who will AGREE to have "sex" with you for a fee, so no, not rape.Big shiny red button said:
No, the irony is you making a mockery of yourself by saying I did what I did accidentally due to a failure of my "'obviously' superior, adult brain" when you didn't pick up I actually did that deliberately to prove a point you apparently couldn't pick up on.Amnestic said:
Come on, that's hilarious.
Granted, an even greater irony is that I wasted somewhere in the neighborhood of 12 hours (and counting) getting involved in this silly conversation in the first place. On that level, I'm the greatest fool, kinda like a college-educated adult who goes to high school in order to push around the freshmen by beating them at schoolwork. It doesn't get much lamer than that, even if I was being goaded into participating by said high school kids.
Honestly, as pertains to this topic, I didn't even try to take an ad hominem stance to have taken one. Usually, you have to say something alarmist about the other side. By simply lightly opposing - not even taking the complete opposite side of - those supporting the distribution of games about raping people, I'm doing an ad hominem attack against them automatically. It doesn't get much more alarmist than, "hey, I'm in favor of fictitious child porn." Good luck supporting that platform if you ever get into politics.
What I was doing to Cheese Pavilion and to a great degree Krakyn was not a real ad hominem attack of another color. The dudes simply didn't understand what I was talking about, and I was sick and tired of explaining it to them. Call it what you want, but it wasn't ad hominem so much as a complete less of interest in debating people who aren't willing or able to meet me half way.
There are no universal morals, morals are defined by the people that create and uphold them.edinflames said:
Trying to argue that these values are intertwined into the fabric of reality when people were raped for fun during almost every war in history is like saying "murder is wrong is a fundamental rule of the universe" whilst half the world is being nuked.
Overall, you appear to have some kind of insecurity with rape, really.
I would say freudian, but I don't wish to insult you.
I was gonna say this, there's always that possibility and it's better to let people play those desires and fantasies than act on them.Amarok said:What if said rape simulators were keeping actual rapists off the streets?The_Oracle said:
It's a stretch I know, but I'm just trying to be awkward
Look, we all know that Japan is just a little different from us. its a place were Porn is more out of the open, and we can only assume, more accepted. to a lot of us, the idea of rape is something of a nightmare, a bad dream, something we should fear, apparently, to certain groups of people in Japan, The Idea of rape is not only something they don't consider offensive, but something that they would enjoy in a harmless enviroment. I, like many of you have clearly shown, do not see the appeal, but we should NOT say that banning the games are right. otherwise, we become the very same people who said that because a game was based on murder, it should be banned. no matter what you, or I think about it, Rape games, or Rape "simulators" as some people call them, are clearly in such a demand that someone, somewhere in that Island nation said "hey, I know how I can make a quick buck!". the most important thing here, is to say "well, I don't really like it, but you do, so good luck to you" we cant turn our noses down on them, just because we don't like how they wanna spend their free time. Thank you.
Actually, this might not be true. It's true that they have some pretty impressively gratuitous porn, this is even more censored in Japan [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_in_Japan#Censorship_laws] than it is in America.Kelethor said:
I think we should, i dunno, stop being so goddamn sensitive here in the states. Its all about political correctness. Screw that. Be nice. If one person likes rape porn..........find new friends. However if that porn is a video game, and you like video games then theres a bond
I like how everyone puts on their Daily Mail face whenever anything rape related comes up.
Ease up!
Ease up!
You're right: you didn't need to.Joeshie said:
As for judgments of immaturity, they're only as good as the source. If you're taking a devil's advocate stance of, "hey, lets distribute fictional child porn, that stuff is allllright" then I'd say the odds are pretty good I don't have to take them seriously. Especially validated after they repeatedly misinterpreted what I was talking about. If anything, your judgment of me is just lumping you in with them, a consequence suited to any rash judgment.
Misinterpretation of your statements or not, many of your posts were condescending. By claiming that since they couldn't "understand your argument" you implied that they were simply children and you were the only adult capable of such discussion. You directly attacked them rather than their argument and committed a pretty blatant ad hominem logical fallacy.geldonyetich said:
http://www.infocomgroup.net/falkow/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/skittles-791435.jpgThe_Oracle said:
-gives hi-five and a bag of skittles-
It's true that personal attacks are normally unforgivable. However, you weren't on the receiving end of them constantly misinterpreting you. In this way, they attacked first. I got fed up with them because I could see they weren't really trying to understand me so much as invent excuses not to agree with me.Joeshie said:
At that point, not making an ad hominem attack was pretty much allowing them to hide behind their own immaturity. I didn't. I called them out as exactly what they were being. If they didn't like being scolded, they shouldn't have been brats.
And that's the reality of any Internet forum debate. There's no referee to point out when somebody's debate completely sucks and they're just being stubborn, and that's why ad hominem ceases to have any real context. There was simply nothing else left me to do but call them out as not even trying to meet me half way, whether it was deliberate, subconscious, or simply something they weren't capable of doing.
Probably at the bottom of this is that they had strong beliefs. Alright, fine - you can believe whatever you want. However, at the point, debate ceases to have a point: you're sure not in any danger of changing your mind. In that case, dragging me into one just ticks me off. It's not from a lack of maturity, so much as an excess of it that allows me to see the maddening futility of the situation I was being forced into.