Japanese Eroge Company Renames Rape Games to "Platinum Games"

[GenHellspawn]

Creating a rape simulator is never justified no matter what you try and call it.

You know, as stupid as it apparently is to shed actual context onto an argument...why not?

 

[geldonyetich]

Creating a rape simulator is never justified no matter what you try and call it.

You know, as stupid as it apparently is to shed actual context onto an argument...why not?

I dare you to walk into a police station and ask the guy at the desk that question.

"Why could creating a game that is a rape simulator for an entire family of women including a 10-year-old girl be an unjust act?"

"That's a very good question. I would like to answer with an experiment. Why is my tossing you in a cell with a 400 lb convicted repeat sex offender on a dry spell, closing the cell door, and heavily suggesting I'm looking the other way considered unjustified? Follow me down to the cells and we'll begin. Please, answer honestly during your exit survey, as this simulation is being done to provide an appropriate context for the advancement of science."

 

[Krakyn]

Calling one of those games a rape simulator is just as accurate as calling CoD:4 a murder simulator. Welcome to the forums, Jack Thompson.

P.S.- I've played RapeLay, and I still know nothing about raping women.

Surprising you've played RapeLay and you still think CoD:4 = Murder is about as close as RapeLay = Rape. If you're going to take the time to simulate the tears and terror in the victim [http://www.somethingawful.com/d/hentai-game-reviews/rapelay.php] (NSFW), I'd say you indeed had the goal of creating a rape simulator. The only thing you're apparently pining over is the infeasibility of the scenario presented.

When you play CoD:4, blood sprays when you shoot somebody, right? Well in RapeLay, when you force a girl to have sex, they cry. It seems logical. We are constantly asking for more realistic graphics and actions in games, and a company provided it in both instances. Like I said, just because you're against something, it doesn't make it wrong.

Rape in real life is wrong, so is shooting people. But why is one game banned and not the other?

You can't make decisions on how to corner people to rape them, you can't even choose to be stealthy. This is just another hentai game but it has rape as a theme. One of the rape scenes takes place in a well populated park in broad daylight, and every one of them starts on a packed train. This is the worst rape "simulator/tutorial" I've ever seen. If anyone was to ever look to this thing for advice, they'd be screwed.

Just like CoD:4 doesn't teach you to kill, RapeLay doesn't teach you to rape. It just puts you in the situation.

So we're in agreement that the main thing that bothers you about this game is how infeasible the rape is.

First off, you're putting words in my mouth. Nothing bothers me about this game.

The thing that bothers me is the flak this game is getting from people who don't understand the hypocrisy of playing a game where you vie against of group of other people to shoot somebody in the head, and immediately afterward decry an adult game that plays out the fantasy of rape because it's wrong to do that in real life.

Maybe you didn't play an English version of this, or maybe your brain was residing between your legs at the time, so let me spell it out for you:

The protagonist is upset because he was jailed for raping one of the girls. So he decides he would like to get revenge by turning the girl's entire family into a perpetual nightmare by becoming his personal sex slaves. Thus, he stalks them in public locations and forces them into compliance. If he impregnates one, he has to force them into an abortion of he loses the game. Just to establish that the girls really aren't into this, another way you can lose the game is by doing something that allows one of the girls stab you to death.

This part of your post is completely ignorable because all you did was flame me and explain the plot of the game. Plot is not equal to simulation. If I read a story about rape, I'm not a rapist, nor do I learn how to rape somebody. Same for movies.

The entire game plays out as a rape simulator with its difficulty level set to "unfeasibly easy," but it's a rape simulator nonetheless.

You've said absolutely nothing to prove this point. Like I said, plot does not equal simulation. When you're on the train at the beginning, you try to "stimulate" your victim by rotating the mouse around. How do I learn anything about how to rape or stimulate a person from that? If hentai games could do that, every nerd who ever played one would be a sex god. When you're playing through sex scenes, you click your choices off the screen like in an RPG.

If you think that RapeLay can do the same thing for a potential rapist that a flight simulator can do for a potential pilot, you have some problems.

 

[brabz]

I dare you to walk into a police station and ask the guy at the desk that question.

"Why could creating a game that is a rape simulator for an entire family including a 10-year-old girl be an unjust act?"

"That's a very good question. I would like to answer with an experiment. Why is my tossing you in a cell with a 400 lb convicted child molester on a dry spell before heavily suggesting I'm looking the other way considered unjustified? Follow me down to the cells and we'll begin. Please, be honest, this simulation is being done for the advancement of science."

By that logic, any person seen reading "Mein Kampf" or "Anarchist Cookbook" should be immediately jailed because they are obviously going to try and start an ethnic genocide while simultaneously destroying all government order. You can't police thought if the person isn't doing anything illegal, regardless of how much you don't like what they may be thinking about.

I also always find it funny that so many counter-arguments throws out the, "it won't be so funny or interesting when you're getting cornholed by a large, scary inmate" argument.

 

[GenHellspawn]

I dare you to walk into a police station and ask the guy at the desk that question.

"Why could creating a game that is a rape simulator for an entire family of women including a 10-year-old girl be an unjust act?"

"That's a very good question. I would like to answer with an experiment. Why is my tossing you in a cell with a 400 lb convicted repeat sex offender on a dry spell, closing the cell door, and heavily suggesting I'm looking the other way considered unjustified? Follow me down to the cells and we'll begin. Please, answer honestly during your exit survey, as this simulation is being done to provide an appropriate context for the advancement of science."

Your post is less of a coherent point and more a bucket of bile. Please, calm down, take a break, whatever you need to do. I don't know about you, but I live in Canada, and here we have a right to free speech that police can not take away. Regarding police, we also do not encourage the rape of inmates, no matter what the crime.

 

[geldonyetich]

You've said absolutely nothing to prove this point.

If you truly believe this, you're not paying attention to what I'm writing, probably because your brain is set on "I'm going to defend my position no matter what" mode, so I'm not going to waste my time writing anything else to you. Have fun with your baseless delusion, good sir.

 

[Krakyn]

Creating a rape simulator is never justified no matter what you try and call it.

You know, as stupid as it apparently is to shed actual context onto an argument...why not?

I dare you to walk into a police station and ask the guy at the desk that question.

"Why could creating a game that is a rape simulator for an entire family of women including a 10-year-old girl be an unjust act?"

You framed your question biasedly. The entire time people have been arguing with you, they've been saying that the game is not a simulator. You're not using reason at all.

 

[Krakyn]

You've said absolutely nothing to prove this point.

If you truly believe this, you're not paying attention to what I'm writing, probably because your brain is set on "I'm going to defend my position no matter what" mode, so I'm not going to waste my time writing anything else to you. Have fun with your baseless delusion, good sir.

Everybody responding to you is telling you how you're speaking without thinking, and yet you're telling me I'm baselessly defending my opinion? You might want to take a look at yourself.

 

[garfoldsomeoneelse]

Time to load up on roofies, I've got a long night of date-platinum ahead of me.

I can't believe I actually have to put a disclaimer here for you people: I am not a rapist.

 

[geldonyetich]

Your post is less of a coherent point and more a bucket of bile. Please, calm down, take a break, whatever you need to do. I don't know about you, but I live in Canada, and here we have a right to free speech that police can not take away.

Free Speech is often misconstrued as a belief you can undermine common decency. It's not. In Canada and United States, people have indeed been arrested for simple possession of child pornography. You'll find it easily with a Google search.

Despite what you might have heard on 4Chan, these social mores are indeed deep enough that no matter how much you might enjoy the medium, you are making yourself vulnerable to prosecution by pushing in favor of it.

 

[Krakyn]

Your post is less of a coherent point and more a bucket of bile. Please, calm down, take a break, whatever you need to do. I don't know about you, but I live in Canada, and here we have a right to free speech that police can not take away.

Free Speech is often misconstrued as a belief you can undermine common decency. It's not. In Canada and United States, people have indeed been arrested for simple possession of child pornography. You'll find it easily with a Google search.

Despite what you might have heard on 4Chan, these social mores is indeed deep enough that no matter how much you might enjoy the medium, you are making yourself vulnerable to prosecution by pushing in favor of it.

He never said he liked child porn or rape. I, in fact, don't like them either. Also, it's not illegal to have rape fantasy videos. Try again.

Just because we're in favor of free speech doesn't mean we like what people have to say. I don't like what you have to say, but you have the right to say it. You're trying to take away rights. That's the difference between you and me.

 

[Erana]

Then, of course, there's also the scenario where some poor sap mistakes the Platinum category for something not unlike a "Greatest Hits," and has his mind irrevocably scarred.

This will inevitably be me.

 

[Darth Pope]

And this surprises you, coming from the people that sell used panties out of vending machines?

 

[geldonyetich]

Everybody responding to you is telling you how you're speaking without thinking, and yet you're telling me I'm baselessly defending my opinion? You might want to take a look at yourself.

I dare say I'm better at looking at myself than you are. Maybe in another 13 years, you'll be in a position to be equally chagrined at how stupidly competitive people can be on boards as to actually side in favor of indecency just to prove they can defend it.

 

[BGH122]

Call me a weak-stomached fool who wants to shut down games because I don't personally like them, but if I were in charge, those 'rape games' would be banned, all of them, and I'd put out a notice saying, 'If you attempt to replicate said rape simulators, there will be severe consequences and/or lawsuits against your companies.'

Creating a rape simulator is never justified no matter what you try and call it.

Calling one of those games a rape simulator is just as accurate as calling CoD:4 a murder simulator. Welcome to the forums, Jack Thompson.

P.S.- I've played RapeLay, and I still know nothing about raping women.

Yeah, this.

You can't state that rape games are unacceptable and yet murder games are acceptable with acknowledging two ludicrous premises:

1) Games are a simulation of a real event and condition the player to commit acts depicted in the game

2) Rape is a more serious crime than murder and more effort should be made to prevent rape than murder

Do you want to accept those premises? No? Then show how your argument works without them.

 

[GenHellspawn]

Free Speech is often misconstrued as a belief you can undermine common decency.

Styling yourself as a moral crusader does nothing to justify your point. You may live in a place where fictitious images can be considered illegal, but I do not.

 

[geldonyetich]

Free Speech is often misconstrued as a belief you can undermine common decency.

Styling yourself as a moral crusader does nothing to justify your point. You may live in a place where fictitious images can be considered illegal, but I do not.

We all live in that world:

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/manga-porn/

P.S. I'm not styling myself as anything, you're just trying to demonize me because you've nothing to stand on.

 

[Krakyn]

Everybody responding to you is telling you how you're speaking without thinking, and yet you're telling me I'm baselessly defending my opinion? You might want to take a look at yourself.

I dare say I'm better at looking at myself than you are. Maybe in another 13 years, you'll be in a position to be equally chagrined at how stupidly competitive people can be on boards as to actually side in favor of indecency just to prove they can defend it.

It's not to prove I can defend it, it's because I believe it's right. Censorship is wrong. Knowledge is sacred. If people want to experience something in their own homes without hurting anybody else, whatever.

By the way, I'm twenty, I've never done drugs or alcohol, and I've never broken the law. At least I have perspective.

 

[BGH122]

I'm sorry, you lost me at 'I own rape porn.'

Why? Rape fantasy is one of the most common fantasies among both sexes.

Because if one owns plenty of rape porn and has that as a personal fetish, they can hardly be objective about this event. I mean, if we're going to be judging people based on their reactions to this event...

And if one doesn't own plenty of rape porn and has a strong moral disapprobation towards rape then one can't be expected to be have an objective view about rape games. Come on, seriously, can't you see the flaws in your logic before you post this stuff?

You may find their view that rape games are fine reprehensible and you may well be in line with the majority but that doesn't make you objectively right. Objective truth isn't something human beings have access to and a claim that we do amounts to Infallibilism, the belief that we can be infallible about things.

 

[GenHellspawn]

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/manga-porn/

The belief that people can be sent to jail for what they read or watch is one I do not subscribe to, nor one that the found fathers of the USA did when they included something called the 2nd Amendment. And with rights, come responsibilities. With the right to say what you want, you have a responsibility to not take away peoples right to say what they want because it offends you. I mean, hey, I didn't like the movie Twilight, with it's shitty writing and 2 dimensional characters, but did I want it banned? No! I just made it priority to never watch it again.

In short, if you can't handle the meat, get out of the kitchen.