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Defending Call of Duty

Very much how men and women of the military defend this nation's freedom overseas, Jim Sterling defends Call of Duty. In many ways, Sterling's cause is more righteous and noble than anything a soldier has ever, ever done.

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Sylocat

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*sigh* Is his solution to each complaint about his overacting just to overact even more? Is he deliberately trying to try way too hard to be funny? Is his intention to come off as desperate "ironically?"
 

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It's not the fact that it's a huge thing ALONE that makes it shit. It's the fact that (like you said) because it is so big, so many other companies try to emulate it. Often alienating their original fans in the process and making a poorer product. Example: Bioware and Dragon Age 2.

It's like a videogame version of the Shoe Event Horizon.

Also, it is true that swearing teenagers are not the biggest part of CoDs audience. Unfortunately they are the loudest though.

Also, Jim, have I mentioned that with that outfit and flag behind you, you remind me of Norsefire from V for Vendetta?
 

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This episode felt more serious than the previous ones. While I do enjoy the humorous parts of the show, this one showed that you are a very reasonable kind of person. Good stuff.
 

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While not very subtly put, I completely agree with what he's saying. People will always be hating on what's popular, because that's what the 'cool kids' do, but a bit of sense seldom goes amiss.
 

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Don't know why I'm still awake but this was a pleasant surprise.

And also nice to see someone defend this franchise for a while. Black Ops was my first COD- game and I clocked a total of 150 hours. It was a simply good game.

And I'm not a hardcore online shooter fan.
 

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you want a good reason why cod sucks?
not only has everyone else copied the game but the additional content delivered in MW2 and blops is on a scale other companies would achieve with a patch and a ladder wipe.
kiddies are not a majority, just a very vocal minority.
and i generally just prefer the speedier gameplay that comes with things like quake live.


oh and as somebody who does not own an xbox i just feel insulted by the way i am being treated as a customer.
 

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Sylocat said:
*sigh* Is his solution to each complaint about his overacting just to overact even more? Is he deliberately trying to try way too hard to be funny? Is his intention to come off as desperate "ironically?"
You sir, seem quite frustrated, maybe it was the subject of this episode that made you so?

Anyways, I welcome this new show and its counter-opinion to what is essentially the ethos of many gamers (and that includes members of the Escapist), that is, complete generalization of people based on something as unfounded as taste in video-games.

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Mantonio said:
It's not the fact that it's a huge thing ALONE that makes it shit. It's the fact that (like you said) because it is so big, so many other companies try to emulate it. Often alientating their original fans in the process and making a poorer product.
Video-game companies have been emulating whats the most popular since forever. I'd suggest you look up on the mascot- and fighter-craze of the nineties for an example.

Also...
Example: Bioware and Dragon Age 2.
...wat
 

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There were several points of his I agreed with, but his manner of speaking was simply to make the people in which he is speaking to angry, instead of actually making a point to them.

Also, the singleplayer's story is extremely generic and doesn't really make anything new.
Ohh look, the Russians are attacking the mercyless US civilians...ohhh no, russian ultranationalists, they must be evil...look, a nuke or emp for the 60th time in order to make you excited.
It just isn't good.
 

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You're defending CoD on the Escapist, one of the most sequel-phobic, anti-mainstream, "popular is bad (Unless it's Valve)", indie-snobby sites on the internet... that takes balls.

Anyway, the defenses have been pretty good. It's not the best defense, but it's good. And I do not like the whole "CoD players are dicks" mentalities.
 

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Mr. Omega said:
You're defending CoD on the Escapist, one of the most sequel-phobic, anti-mainstream, "popular is bad (Unless it's Valve)", indie-snobby sites on the internet... that takes balls.
Or maybe jim is doing what he always does and is being a despirate troll.
 

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*sigh*

Y'know... when this guy is making points and arguing his case he actually comes across as intelligent, reasonable and articulate.

But then he goes and peppers it with that juvenile strawman crap. It's like a kid in a playground going "nyah nyah nyah". He is not helping his case. Because now when I think of CoD fans, I'm not going to be thinking of swearing 12 year olds, I'm going to be thinking of this guy in his flower hat saying, "Ohhh, all games have to comment on the human condition" in a stupid voice. Which is hardly an improvement.

And yes, I am aware that he does it on purpose and it's not meant to be taken entirely seriously. But at the end of the day, intentionally juvenile and annoying is still juvenile and annoying.

...

PS. Black Ops has a well paced narrative? That's the funniest thing I've heard in quite some time. CoD:MW? Sure. MW2? Eh... pushing it. Blops? Ha!
 

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Lol why are you getting angry at CoD because other game studios are copying it? How does that make any sense at all?

I only play CoD:WaW really, because it's the one that I have. Although I can imagine easy ways of improving it, as others are copying CoD therefore making CoD the pioneer on this front i'd say they're doing well.
 

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Can i not hate CoD for being 'too big' and think the "Games are Arts" wankers are also a bunch of dipshits who need to be crucified with even more prejudice than the CoDkiddies? Its weird how CoD develops a kneejerk hate reaction, it must be doing something wrong.

Edit: Also. Im really bad at shooters.
 
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"Call of Duty: Modern Warfare is a game which defined what a modern multiplayer shooter could be".

Wrong, that would be Team Fortress 2.

Jim is doing a great job of embarrassing himself. He didn't acknowledge any od the main reasons people tend to dislike COD.

Boring environments.
No innovative mechanics.
No teamwork

etc...
 

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My problem with CoD MW is not the gameplay or the mainstream succes of the franchise, but more that it alienates me as a consumer.

CoDMW has made it pretty obvious that my ethnic group is not the target audience and this has kept me from playing any of the Modern Warfare games...

Which is really a shame considering that I have mainly heard good things about it.
 

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I loved Modern Warfare. It was the sequel whose patently stupid plot really drove me insane. Bleck. And Black Ops was just insulting.

First one was great though.
 

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Hyper-space said:
Sylocat said:
*sigh* Is his solution to each complaint about his overacting just to overact even more? Is he deliberately trying to try way too hard to be funny? Is his intention to come off as desperate "ironically?"
You sir, seem quite frustrated, maybe it was the subject of this episode that made you so?

Anyways, I welcome this new show and its counter-opinion to what is essentially the ethos of many gamers (and that includes members of the Escapist), that is, complete generalization of people based on something as unfounded as taste in video-games.
I have no problem with the subject of this episode. I'd like to see him actually say something that hasn't already been said much more insightfully by James Portnow and MovieBob, and I'd like to see him deliver his lines in some other way than "trying way way way way WAAAYYYYY too hard to put on an over-the-top persona," but I fully agree with his basic premise that being popular doesn't automatically make something bad.

I quite like the storylines in CoD:Mew, and CoD:Mewtwo (though I think CoD:BO was stupid), though the gameplay is cookie-cut from every other fucking FPS on the market but what else is new.
 

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You know what this show's problem is? You are to modest! Seriously, with your intelligence, good looks and overall awe inspiring presence, your modesty does not suit you. You sir, need to man up to the big pack of awesomeness that is: You!
 

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I dont think peopel say its shit completely (well, they do) but I think more people say the games are shit in comparison to other games int he series.

Actually, I thought he was going to talk about that Thing Fox News Did.
 

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I actually liked hearing someone defend COD for once, instead of all the shoot downs. (But still hearing the list of horrid stuff snuck in there.)

Very good episode, glad I kept watching, but I have to say, some of the humor is still dry. Though its nice to Jim trying to go about it in a... lets just say different... way this time.

Oh... and thanks for helping catch Osama, Jim.
 

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I agree with you, Jim, except for one statement:

I dislike the advantages (more perks, weapons, etc.) an experienced player has. You covered this in the video and stated that it was not any different than an experienced player in i.e. Quake. I disagree.

A player (let's call him Dave) that gets wrecked in Quake because of him not knowing where the weapons are is going to want to change that by, for example, looking it up on the internet. If Dave still gets wrecked after that, it is the experience of the better player that gives him the advantage over Dave.

If Dave played Call of Duty, weapon spawn locations don't matter too much (except for some FFA gametypes). Of course, Dave gets wrecked. But this time he can't do anything about that because the advantages of the other players are not (only) based on knowledge (weapon spawns) and game experience, but gametime, too. Sure, if Dave is bad at FPSs he gets wrecked no matter what, but Perks/Weapons/Killstreaks are something that he can't do anything about even if he is decent at gaming.

I hope you get my point.

mfG diiebane

EDIT: Also, I don't buy in the hatred towards younger gamers. I'm sure most of us have played games before we were legally allowed to. What gives us the right to deny those players the game? People who bash little kids for playing CoD (and other games) are most likely Hypocrits.
 

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Warlord Timmy said:
Scrumpmonkey said:
Or maybe jim is doing what he always does and is being a despirate troll.
>despirate troll
>despirate

Lol what? You could at least bother to spell a word you don't understand right...
**posts like they are on 4chan**

Yeah... im gonna listen to you...
 

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Jim reads the Escapist I see. He takes upon some discussed topics to troll everyone with at the beginning - quite funny in my opinion. Also Jim, no, COD didn't invent unlockables in FPS - Battlefield franchise did. Much earlier. Just saying.. not like there is an internet argument to be won.
 

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... I actually agree with him, so much.

I especially like his making fun of the abnoxious pricks who say it's bad because it's not art.

I typed all the stuff above this line before the bit where he decided to be utterly retarded about Bin Laden.

Never mind, hate him.
 

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Another good video by Ser Jim.


Too bad Blops SP/MP were just awful: sure the first time playing the SP was great, but the second time, was just awful when you just notice how much cutscenes is embedded into the game shortening its length by a good few hours of boring exposition. The MP on the other hand, all of the problems of CoD4, without the improvements of MW2. Felt more like CoD4.5. [/rantingaboutBLOPS]
 

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Yeah, So, I didn't care for war shooter long before it was cool.
 

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Mantonio said:
It's not the fact that it's a huge thing ALONE that makes it shit. It's the fact that (like you said) because it is so big, so many other companies try to emulate it. Often alienating their original fans in the process and making a poorer product. Example: Bioware and Dragon Age 2.

It's like a videogame version of the Shoe Event Horizon.

Also, it is true that swearing teenagers are not the biggest part of CoDs audience. Unfortunately they are the loudest though.

Also, Jim, have I mentioned that with that outfit and flag behind you, you remind me of Norsefire from V for Vendetta?
Lolz you made me chuckle

Way to say : " I totally understand you and agree with everything you said"
and then
"But I fucking disagree so THERE!"
 

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I agree with him, but I'm just not sure how much actually needed to be said. The irrational CoD haters won't listen and everyone else pretty much agrees so it seems kinda pointless, and there weren't that many jokes (except for the OBL one that fell completely flat)soooo...meh.

Intro song is still the best part, but at least he's consistent and makes sense.
 

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Very nice to see the other side of the COD argument fairly treated on this site.

Well said, Jim. Keep up the good work!
 

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Also here are some arguments COD have for hating it and thinking it ruined FPS

Linearity
Rechargeable health
More time spent on making the Multiplayer then Singeplayer
Makings games to brown and gloom
Limit weapons
 

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Scrumpmonkey said:
Mr. Omega said:
You're defending CoD on the Escapist, one of the most sequel-phobic, anti-mainstream, "popular is bad (Unless it's Valve)", indie-snobby sites on the internet... that takes balls.
Or maybe jim is doing what he always does and is being a despirate troll.
1: Desperate.
2: Yes, it was troll-y, especially at the end, but there were points to be had. The mentality that "CoD is a bad series and just by liking it, you're a bad person" is becoming more and more apparent on the internet, especially on this site.
 

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Liking this guy more and more. When he is imitating a whiny CoD hater it reminded me of so many posts I have seen on the escapist.

Great mash up of gameplay clips from last 3 CoD games, good vid.
 

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I, for some reason, think he has a director at the end saying stuff to him.

"Alrighty, Jim...Jimmy. Yeah alright Jimmy. After your voice is heard you need to say "Thank God...for me." Then Dramatic pauses....annnndddd...sigh. Perfect. That's a rap."

CoD isn't the only one going under this. I'm starting to think people think "If it's not Halo, it's not good" or people just are just going at it with the Yahtzee lense. "It's shit till it proves itself otherwise"
 

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Sorry, I gave it a good run. I Don't like it. I gave it a chance, it got a bit better - but it's never going to be good enough in it's current format.

The bits where he's talking over the video are good - he makes good points, the stand-up bits are awful. And the 'Thank God for Me' tag line is just bad. It just doesn't feel good humoured.
Can't please them all I suppose.

Sorry Jim, nothing personal, but I guess this is my stop.
 

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Scrumpmonkey said:
**posts like they are on 4chan**

Yeah... im gonna listen to you...
>uses posting-style from different site
>everything I say is now invalid

Sure is a lot of hot air blowing in here.
 

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Unfortunatly, Call Of Duty didn't start the "Unlocks with levels", that would be battlefield 2's doing. So i guess you could call Activision the copy cats.
 

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I actually love and enjoy the multiplayer aspects of the MW games. However, I have almost ALWAYS been stuck with yuppies who won't shut the )($* up about how good they are or in general with USELESS chatter; or ones that don't give a damn about objectives or teamwork in a objective or teamwork based mode of play. Which is why I enjoy Battlefield BC 2 just a bit more, the sense of teamwork and co-operation; even sportsmanship in some cases is usually much better. At least it isn't as bad as the Halo games could get. Sorry if I'm slightly off-topic, just my two cents. Happy Gaming.
 

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No no no no. We don't hate CoD because its popular. We hate it because its a short, linear, repetative experience that relies solely on flashy moments to support itself. Those flashy moments would be fine if there was some substance to the game. But there isn't. Its always go-to-this-cover-then-shoot-these-guys-then-move-up-then-repeat.

As for the multiplayer, CoD 4 and Blops were good (MW2 sucked tremendously), but its quickly gotten repetitive. No matter what they do, each CoD feels like the same game in a different dress.
 

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I like COD. It's fun to play, even though the singleplayer is rather short. The multiplayer is quite entertaining. So yeah, i agree with Jim on this one.


Also, where did he get my hat!?
 

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Zhukov said:
PS. Black Ops has a well paced narrative? That's the funniest thing I've heard in quite some time. CoD:MW? Sure. MW2? Eh... pushing it. Blops? Ha!
I agree with this completely. Jim, do you really think Black Ops was well paced when
you start the game in a bar, trying to act like your doing nothing, then suddenly your teammate chokes a random soldier to death, a hundred police pop out of fucking nowhere, and you have to blow up their cars with your grenade launcher?

But other than that, yes I agree with you. Although, I would like to know your opinion on World at War and the earlier WW2 games in the franchise. To me the best two in the series are Call of Duty 4 and Call of Duty 2.
 

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I actually liked this episode (save the gay art snob stereotype bits). I played CoD MW1 and 2 a while back to get my own opinion of them. I enjoyed the first and thought the second one wasnt perfect, but it was ok. I told a friend of mine of my experience and was immediately greeted with "why the hell did you play that? you should be playing 'whatever the hell else was out that you have no interest in playing'."

Seriously, a lot of gamers need to come the fuck off of their virtual high horses.
 

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Mr. Omega said:
You're defending CoD on the Escapist, one of the most sequel-phobic, anti-mainstream, "popular is bad (Unless it's Valve)", indie-snobby sites on the internet... that takes balls.

Anyway, the defenses have been pretty good. It's not the best defense, and I do not like the whole "CoD players are dicks" mentalities.
i share your view on this. although i don't like CoD because i played it and fail to see differences between the games after #4 (so i think it's a lazy cash-in), but at least i gave each of them a CHANCE to wow me before i wrote it off as a bad game. not that i couldn't finish them, but i didn't want to.

and in any case, i have no problem with popular things, i still get giddy over the next Halo announcement and still have a soft spot for Starcraft and still love me some Rock Band and Guitar Hero, this is the only popular series i hate, and only after i actually play the game to see if i like it or not.
 

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Like i've said before, Jim's delivery is really offputting and being utterly off the mark about bin laden just adds to my distain for Jim's show and this video. Oh and stop trolling and stop making points that are flat-out wrong and please stop all this straw-man shit.

Call of Duty was a great series, Call of Duty 4 was one of the best shooters arround at the time. People dislike Call of Duty, not becuase it's popular but because it's not been very good post CoD4.
 

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Maraveno said:
Davroth said:
Yeah, So, I didn't care for war shooter long before it was cool.
ah the new meme

Reported for being a troll since that is a troll meme
I was not aware of that. Is there a list somewhere of things I'm allowed to answer so I wont run into this situation again?

Also, what I wrote was nothing but my honest opinion.
 
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Well, Jim, I might just have to give you a second chance. I certainly agree with your opinion of those bizarre "artistic" indie games that you came up with last week, and this week you pretty much sum up my opinion of the Call of Duty series. I hope The Escapist takes it heart.
*looks around thread*

Nope, they're just re-stating the arguments you already tackled in the video, while prentending that you didn't already tackle them in your video.

Anywho, my only complaint is that you're still doing that thing where you pretend to be an arrogant dick, which you don't have to do. I'm pretty sure most of us can watch someone talk for five minutes without needing a Yahtzee impersonation to keep our attention.

subtlefuge said:
People went back and captured Osama? That's news.
....Not really, it happened several weeks ago. Also, "killed", not "captured".
 

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Warlord Timmy said:
Scrumpmonkey said:
**posts like they are on 4chan**

Yeah... im gonna listen to you...
>uses posting-style from different site
>everything I say is now invalid

Sure is a lot of hot air blowing in here.
Look, im not going to go into how you did the exact same thing because i misspelled something thus trolling for no real reason. Being hostile over spelling is just silly. I would respond to your points but... you didn't really make any.

My point is that jim seems desperate for attention in his videos, he is trolling the community here rather than adding anything useful. Kind of like you.
 

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Most of what was in the video was agreeable. Like you know, before you met the community, how fun it was trying to get enough kills to get the big killstreak reward. Excluding the community it is a decent game, and as Jim said "...the $15 map packs can go f*** themselves".
 

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Eh, I kind of see the point in what he's saying, but I feel the majority of CoD hate isn't directed towards the gameplay, but towards the franchisacide that Activision is committing with it. Most of the video is in defense of CoD4, but I never saw anyone complaining about that game, on the contrary I recall people thinking it was a refreshing breeze in the midst of the Halo craze. The hate has come in recent years as the franchise has become a symbol for publishers treating their games too much like products and not enough like games.
 

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Seriously?
CoD4 was indeed very good, the rest have been trite rehashes of the game. It's nothing to do with it being big, it's size should make it better, a bigger base means more money means a better game next time. Right? No.

As for good narratives? Seriously? They're ridiculous. CoD4 did it really, really well. The fact that you died? The way it was done (last minute rescue by the ooh rahing marines and it fails? Perfectly executed) was fantastic. MW2 decided to do it again. All the time. NONSTOP. And with terrible execution. Black Ops wasn't as bad but still pretty horrible. WaW was just bleh.

It's nothing to do with it being art, it's the fact that after CoD4 nothing has really happened, new shiny guns have appeared but they're not exactly revolutionary or even well balanced (oh Ak74u), ok so in CoD4 everyone used the same perks, I'm glad they've at least tried to alter that and I admit I like the 'pro' system as a base (I do think it's actual implementation has fallen short of it's promise though) but seriously, all we get are COD points so instead of unlocking things with challenges we buy them with in game money earned...through...challenges. Customisable killstreaks which devolve into the same ones and oh my god how is blackbird only an 8? Has there ever been a more powerf-oh wait nuke.

Beyond that what do we have? Noobtubes are now utterly terrible because everyone hated them (me included) quick scoping has gone, as has effective no scoping because everyone hated it. Semtex is rubbish because everyone used it and so on.

I really hate the way CoD has turned, they need the sharpness from CoD4 back, taking only a few shots to down each person, they need to make options more balanced even if it means they're fewer.
Some things are great, I LOVE theatre mode, I think it's a lovely addition, I really do. I like that killstreaks no longer count towards killstreaks (because seriously...). I even like customisable reticules, even though most of them make it harder to hit stuff.

But please, for the love of all that is good, don't pretend that it's critics are just kids whinging about the lack of nukes and useful chopper gunners, there are huge flaws in the CoD series and with all the money that's been thrown at it it's pretty disgusting that they still exist.
 

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I don't think anyone with an opinion who matters have criticized the first Modern Warfare's single player campaign? After all, it's pretty awesome. It's after that the shit started rolling downhill. S.T.A.L.K.E.R. it was not, but we still went from what was genuinely a well-paced narrative with an attentive focus on ambience and atmosphere to Michael Bay levels of convoluted stupidity, gun-worship and general over-the-top awfulness.

Personally, I could not care less about the multiplayer. If someone wants to waste their days shooting other people over and over when there are still books to read, films to see, and games to play - in other words, stories to experience - I don't see how it matter whether they play CoD, Halo, Team Fortress 2 or whatever it is people are playing these days.
 

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I paused the video and stopped listening at 3:23
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Its alot better, just plz stop with the "me standing and so awesome than you" thing,
seriously, youre not funny. Other than that its getting better.
 

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Thank you Jim! Somebody had to say it!
Liking cheddar is not a bad thing!

... Also, call of duty.
 

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This episode appealed to me more than any before. There was some overacting (the artist) and your valid arguments could be taken as invalid because you represent your opposition in an unfair manner, but other than that, not many complaints. Get rid of that, stop the self-praise (I know it's a joke but some people don't get jokes and they might see you as a self entitled prick) calm down and speak with a calm tone (most of the episode was like this and it was good) and you have a nice and a reasonable show on The Escapist.


Oh and great intro song.
 

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"Call of Duty: Modern Warfare is a game which defined what a modern multiplayer shooter could be".

Wrong, that would be Team Fortress 2.
Well shit, I guess there can never be different styles of games. That's too bad.

BlacklightVirus said:
Boring environments.
Alright, I'll give you that. Although that mountain from MW2 was pretty amazing.

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No innovative mechanics.
That's because nothing has been "innovative" for years, because it's all been done already. CoD 4 just made most of them better. I mean even look at your example, TF2. Not only is it basically the same as TF Classic, but class based shooters have been around for years. So it didn't "innovate" either.

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No teamwork
This isn't the game's fault at all.

Almost everything Jim said is true, except BlOps being well paced. It was just "HOLY SHIT BIG EXPLOSION" "HOLY SHIT BIG HELICOPTER" "HOLY SHIT BIG MINIGUN" "HOLY SHIT BIG FLAMETHROWER", constantly.
 

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I hope many people who are saying "He tries too hard" do realize his way of speaking, heaving breathing, and sporadic panting are because he is overweight, right?

When I was kid, and chubby, I had a hard time breathing easily during long conversations and such, let alone wear any Tuxedo or even try to act infront of an audience, so please people, use your head for a moment or two.
 

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*sigh*

PS. Black Ops has a well paced narrative? That's the funniest thing I've heard in quite some time. CoD:MW? Sure. MW2? Eh... pushing it. Blops? Ha!
although flawed, CoD WaW had a much better paced campaign, and never got really REALLY silly.


Anyways, although I agree there is way too much hate on CoD just for being popular, it is hardly a perfect game either -- CoD MW was one of the greatest games ever made in my opinion, and since then the series has only been going downhill, and, as the kind fellow quoted above points out, Black Ops took the levels of action to straight up comical levels, and the same goes for the multiplayer -- just because it has more gimmicks and toys, doesn't mean the multiplayer has been at all improved since Call of Duty 4.
 

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Frozen Donkey Wheel2 said:
subtlefuge said:
People went back and captured Osama? That's news.
....Not really, it happened several weeks ago. Also, "killed", not "captured".
But Jim said captured like 5 times. I trust him implicitly.

Can't keep it up. You really thought I was being serious. Really?
 

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Look, im not going to go into how you did the exact same thing because i misspelled something thus trolling for no real reason. Being hostile over spelling is just silly. I would respond to your points but... you didn't really make any.

My point is that jim seems desperate for attention in his videos, he is trolling the community here rather than adding anything useful. Kind of like you.
>he is trolling the community here rather than adding anything useful

So making sensible statement doesn't add anything useful and is trolling? Good to know.

>Being hostile over spelling is just silly.

No it's not. If you don't bother to check over your post to see if everything's green, then you clearly don't care about what you're posting.

>trolling

You keep using that word. I do not think you know what it means.
 

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I hope many people who are saying "He tries too hard" do realize his way of speaking, heaving breathing, and sporadic panting are because he is overweight, right?

When I was kid, and chubby, I had a hard time breathing easily during long conversations and such, let alone wear any Tuxedo or even try to act infront of an audience, so please people, use your head for a moment or two.
...What the fuck?
 

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I really enjoyed this episode, Jim! At first I was skeptical of your show, but after these last 2 episodes I've become a fan. Well done!
 

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Jim, seriosly? Did i just hear the word's "depth" and "Call of duty" in one sentence? And it's easy to pop in a scene from the most overtalked game in the history of man to counter it (tho i like, and respect the series, was a fanboy myself once).

Modern Warfare 4 was a revolution. Ive played it no more then 24 hours but ive got the point of it. It was good.

I totaly respect the fact that u like the game and enjoy it. It's a thing of taste, I myself am playing Battlefields, and I'm waiting for BF3 to come out. But seriously? Depth? Modern Warfare 2 had depth? Just becouse some brit was shot in the face in slo-motion dosent make it depth, im sorry. Not only that u dont even say what the depth is.

Black Ops was terrible, no denying it. Im talking from a PC point of view when i couldnt play Blops for two weeks becouse it was sluttering like hell. The single player? Let my qoute myself from my Steam profile:

"Feels more like an expansion pack to Call of Duty 4. Single Player is a standard, linear, borring shoot-out, multiplayer is the same thing over, over, and over again. Not worth its price, buy it when its 50% cheaper or at some deal. They are way better FPS's on the market, stick to them. This? Waste of money."

Not much to add. All ive heard was:

"Cod isnt played only by kiddies, i play it aswell! And the game is FOKIN deep!"

But its cool, enjoy what u like. Hope to god nobody comes over and says that Minecraft has an awesome plot. And depth.
 

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The only problem I have with CoD is the way girls try to get boys attention by saying "ooh look at me I'm a girl and I play CoD aren't I a desirrable mate?", thinking that CoD is the only game in existence. Not the fault of the game, stupid people are gonna be stupid.

I also thought Blops had a mediocre campaign, not on the level of Cod 4 or even MW2.
 

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For more discussion on Jim Sterling I invite you all to this thread:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.286381-Outrageous-The-Witcher-2-review-by-Jim-Sterling
 

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AceAngel said:
I hope many people who are saying "He tries too hard" do realize his way of speaking, heaving breathing, and sporadic panting are because he is overweight, right?

When I was kid, and chubby, I had a hard time breathing easily during long conversations and such, let alone wear any Tuxedo or even try to act infront of an audience, so please people, use your head for a moment or two.
I think sitting down in a comfortable chair with comfortable clothes would help with that. The parts where he is standing up in a suit would exhaust any normal person.
 

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Really enjoyed this episode. The series is really finding it's footing now. I like Jim's attitude in this piece. I'm mostly the same- popular or not I like the games I like and I don't give a shit about elitism in either camp. Sure I like to play a bit of Limbo or Galactic Civ but sometimes I just want to have fun and I'll pull out GTA or FIFA.

As far as the CoD series goes, I'm not much of an online player so I never got more than halfway to prestige in any title. That said, aside from 3 and MW2, I've always had a very entertaining and engaging experience in the single player campaigns.
 

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Jim is a good counterpoint to this website, I mean with the cult like following of Extra Credits here I think people just dont like being told anything different. Personally I find Jim and movie bob better then extra Credits because at least you know their saying an oppinion, while extra credits is very preachy and acts as if everything they say is fact, also they tend to over romantacize games as something greater then they are.
 

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For more discussion on Jim Sterling I invite you all to this thread:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.286381-Outrageous-The-Witcher-2-review-by-Jim-Sterling
Wow... people are actually capable of doing things like this? I mean, I can troll too, but everything has limits. This makes him look like a "CoD kiddie" (please do note I am not directly calling Jim Sterling that, only that people may see him like that)
 

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I do enjoy your arguments for why CoD is a good series, as they are much more intelligently thought out than most. That being said, I have a completely different opinion on the series.
A few points in no real order...
1. I started playing CoD during World at War, but didn't buy a CoD game until MW2.
2. I thoroughly enjoyed the single player storyline to MW2.
3. I played the multiplayer for quite a long while, but very soon got bored of it.
4. I feel CoD 4: Modern Warfare was an extremely important title which helped online FPS games attain their level of fun online through the console matchmaking services.

Now, I have started having problems with CoD, not just for its player base online, but for its lack of creativity. They have pretty much put out the same game 4 years in a row, making HUGE amounts of money with each consecutive release, and with each release falling shorter than the last. Blizzard makes even larger amounts of money, but they continue to innovate and ensure that releases such as Starcraft II (and eventually) Diablo 3 will be quality releases. Now, the producers of each CoD game did have some kind of creativity for creating different game modes, including the very entertaining Nazi Zombies minigame, but if you look at the competition, CoD really isn't that great (especially after BlOps).
Look at Battlefield BC2. In multiplayer, the maps were larger, almost all the buildings were fully destructible, vehicles were present, yet balanced, more players could join each game, and yet lag was kept much lower than my experiences with CoD. Yet, Black Ops somehow sold more and is much more popular than Battlefield BC2. This makes very little sense, especially due to the backlash the community gave about MW2. Now, the entire Bad Company spinoff was just a side project, used to test the destruction engine and Battlefield's ability to play on console and with matchmaking services, while the real Battlefield 3 was being made.
Boy, if BF3 fails out due to MW3, I will be quite annoyed. Just remember, I don't think CoD sucks or is even bad, but it's just not great. Especially recently.
That is all.
 

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Jim I know you're trying to be funny but seriously you're not likeable enough to be that smug.

Anyway I too am sick of all this shit against COD players. My roommates played COD all the time and yet one of them still got all the latest big release games no matter what the genre.

Also sick of popular things aren't cool and that a true gamer only likes underground/less mainstream stuff. Anyway who thinks mindlessly bashing whatever popular instantly makes them cool can get smacked in the face for all I care.

As for the games I think they're too complex for newcomers (and a bit unfair when the other guys have custom classes and you have to stick to default) and they feel like Skinner Boxes. Although it is fun watching my roommates play Nazi zombies.

And you're right it is a better system than memorizing where all the good weapons are.
 

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The only problem I have with CoD is the way girls try to get boys attention by saying "ooh look at me I'm a girl and I play CoD aren't I a desirrable mate?", thinking that CoD is the only game in existence. Not the fault of the game, stupid people are gonna be stupid.

I also thought Blops had a mediocre campaign, not on the level of Cod 4 or even MW2.
To be totally fair to those girls, if they could beat me in any FPS or fighting game (Which includes CoD), I would definitely go out with them.

I'm like that one woman in mythology who would marry whomever beat her in a race. ALL IT TAKES TO WIN MY UNDYING LOVE IS TO DEFEAT ME IN VIDEO GAMES!

OT: Yeah, the hating things that are popular for no reason other than they're popular is bothersome. I'm not a CoD fan, but I don't feel the need to run around screaming, "LOLNUBSLRN2PLYRELGAM"
 

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I just watched my brother play Call of Duty yesterday. And despite everything i heard, it looked... fun! The online multiplayer made me think of paintball. One hit kills, you're allowed to try again, you hunt down other players while also trying to hide from them. Despite being "brown and grey" and despite all the copy cats out there, Call of Duty looks okay. Or at least the multiplayer. I haven't seen anything else.
 

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I agree with you, Jim, except for one statement:

I dislike the advantages (more perks, weapons, etc.) an experienced player has. You covered this in the video and stated that it was not any different than an experienced player in i.e. Quake. I disagree.

A player (let's call him Dave) that gets wrecked in Quake because of him not knowing where the weapons are is going to want to change that by, for example, looking it up on the internet. If Dave still gets wrecked after that, it is the experience of the better player that gives him the advantage over Dave.

If Dave played Call of Duty, weapon spawn locations don't matter too much (except for some FFA gametypes). Of course, Dave gets wrecked. But this time he can't do anything about that because the advantages of the other players are not (only) based on knowledge (weapon spawns) and game experience, but gametime, too. Sure, if Dave is bad at FPSs he gets wrecked no matter what, but Perks/Weapons/Killstreaks are something that he can't do anything about even if he is decent at gaming.
However, in a game like Cod where in every game so far you've been able to spawn with a rocket/grenade launcher/grenades/shotgun. All of these kill in a single hit most of the time. This has a wonderful habit of balancing out gameplay. At level one I was still in the top 3 of my team.
 

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You're defending CoD on the Escapist, one of the most sequel-phobic, anti-mainstream, "popular is bad (Unless it's Valve)", indie-snobby sites on the internet... that takes balls.

Anyway, the defenses have been pretty good. It's not the best defense, but it's good. And I do not like the whole "CoD players are dicks" mentalities.
Sequel phobic? A discussion on what series/games need sequels tends to show up quite a bit here.
 

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Unfortunatly, Call Of Duty didn't start the "Unlocks with levels", that would be battlefield 2's doing. So i guess you could call Activision the copy cats.
that seriously goes back to WAY before Battlefield 2.

I mean, how could anyone possibly think otherwise? Its been around in one form or another since multiplayer games were created, its just that the industry took a turn for a while that favoured the quake style of MP.

Battlefield 2 was no more original than CoD4.
 

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I personally loved Call of Duty 2 and the first Modern Warfare game. My personal dislike of the series came with MW2. As I havn't played Black Ops I can't comment on that.
There were serious balance issues that persist throughout the online component of the game such as akimbo and the ever present noob-tube.
I've always wondered why they changed the way the MP was in COD 2. Pre selected weapons, reselectable after a death but with no perks or streaks made for a more balanced game in my opinion with a higher emphasis placed on pure skill as every weapon was viable. I also found the Death Streaks and over the top kill streaks introduced in MW2 were just sillly.
I also felt the game play became far more scripted. Enviorments seemed to became smaller with the option of diffrent paths being limited especially in comparision to COD 2 My personal favourite.
I found the story sub-par in comparision to Modern Warfare. I also agree with one of the complaints leveled at the game a lot which is an overdoing of the cool or more dramatic pieces from Modern Warfare.
So to conclude the wall of text, I don't hate COD because of popularity. I hate it because of I was unhappy with what I felt was a serious change in direction for the series.
 

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Call of Duty was a great series, Call of Duty 4 was one of the best shooters arround at the time. People dislike Call of Duty, not becuase it's popular but because it's not been very good post CoD4.
Quoted for truth, although I personally thought the series from the beginning wasn't very good.

My issue is mainly with the small percentage of CoD players who migrate to the next new MP shooter, fail to grasp different gameplay, then call it crap for not being like CoD. Brink is a perfect example, I'm sick of people whining about how the other team is stomping us when they're not buffing or playing their class. That and medic snipers who don't revive.
 

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This video completely ignores the fact that the most important part of video games and call of duty is the the player interaction and gameplay, which is nothing but an expertly crafted military people-killing simulation, hidden behind the guise of "videogamey" rewards systems and the controller.

There is less and less credence being giving to the idea that maybe killing people in video games has hit a juvenile and sadistic point, now that millions of dollars and years of work are being poured into these projects and millions of people compulsively play them each and every day.

This was fine back in the days of the arcade, but now that we can do better with realism in the simulation, why aren't designers and players craving the true harrowing and emotional result of killing someone in addition to the thrill of competition? The fact that this argument is struggling at all makes me fear not only for the large scale state of the game industry, but humanity's (especially those loud-mouthed teens mentioned in the video) increased desensitization in conjunction with a lack of desire for truly enriching entertainment.
 

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Also, Jim, have I mentioned that with that outfit and flag behind you, you remind me of Norsefire from V for Vendetta?
That has gone through my head since episode 1.

Like, seriously. I expect V to cut in at any time.
 
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subtlefuge said:
People went back and captured Osama? That's news.
....Not really, it happened several weeks ago. Also, "killed", not "captured".
But Jim said captured like 5 times. I trust him implicitly.

Can't keep it up. You really thought I was being serious. Really?
Ah. That one's on me, your comedic genius went right over my head, sorry.

Whoops, my "Sarcastic Asshole" mode was turned on. Let me fix it.

THERE. I apologize, my good man, for the terrible misunderstanding. You see, in the instance of communication over the internet, we must rely on mere text to convey our ideas and points, without the luxuries of verbal and body language with which face-to-face communication rewards us. This provides the unfortunate side effect of making sarcasm particularly challenging to detect, which is why I thought you were being serious with your statement concerning certain Middle-Eastern former fugitives. Again, I offer my sincerest apologies any offense this may have caused.

And "Sarcastic Asshole" mode is back...ON...There we go.

Man, these things are great. You might have yours look at, though. I think it's stuck or something.
 

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I just watched my brother play Call of Duty yesterday. And despite everything i heard, it looked... fun! The online multiplayer made me think of paintball. One hit kills, you're allowed to try again, you hunt down other players while also trying to hide from them. Despite being "brown and grey" and despite all the copy cats out there, Call of Duty looks okay. Or at least the multiplayer. I haven't seen anything else.
I got into CoD4, because we were at a house party at my cousins, and her kid was playing his copy. It looked like fun, I pick a copy up, and it was, for a few months.

The problem isn't that modern shooters aren't fun, it's that you get a phenomenal feeling of deja vu every time you play one. The genre needs a colossal kick up the arse, and I'm talking more than " oh look, the antagonists are more/less Russian/Arabic than the last game..."
 

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I didn't agree with every point you made Jim but I watched this entire episode with a smile on my face, this is by far the best episode you've done! This time, the humour seems roughly balanced, what you were saying makes sense and is for the most is TRUE!!! Also, the lack of swearing and silly MS paint pictures was a big plus.

Verdict: This show gets better with each episode, keep it up!
 

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I've tried to like it a few times, and it isn't happening.

The offline campaigns / single player are hoot simply for how "WTF" they tend to be. But the maps have felt awfully basic compared to other FPS.

I dislike xp, perks and all that crap. Good for those that like it, sure, but I'll pass. While I don't favor the Quake / UT1 era of weapon pickup, the concept evolved a bit and developers got better at it. - Also, I can do a quick youtube search or an offline match to find the layout of the map and weapons. - In XP games, I'm forced to just kind of suck until i can 'level up' and get better guns & perks. Very annoying.

Maybe it's different in the UK, but but over here quite a few youngsters flock to CoD. I've seen children in the 9-10'ish range beg and scream at their Mothers for it. I can't say its the majority, but most open / random matches I went tend to remind me of that.

tl;dr

Not liking CoD doesn't mean your some asshat trying to win points just by not liking CoD. There's a pretty good game in there somewhere, but its also surrounded by a lot of dicking, and some folks just don't like being dicked by a piece of entertainment software.
 

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This has made me really wanna play CoD. Never thought it would happen. I want that post nuke scene
 

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diebane said:
I agree with you, Jim, except for one statement:

I dislike the advantages (more perks, weapons, etc.) an experienced player has. You covered this in the video and stated that it was not any different than an experienced player in i.e. Quake. I disagree.

A player (let's call him Dave) that gets wrecked in Quake because of him not knowing where the weapons are is going to want to change that by, for example, looking it up on the internet. If Dave still gets wrecked after that, it is the experience of the better player that gives him the advantage over Dave.

If Dave played Call of Duty, weapon spawn locations don't matter too much (except for some FFA gametypes). Of course, Dave gets wrecked. But this time he can't do anything about that because the advantages of the other players are not (only) based on knowledge (weapon spawns) and game experience, but gametime, too. Sure, if Dave is bad at FPSs he gets wrecked no matter what, but Perks/Weapons/Killstreaks are something that he can't do anything about even if he is decent at gaming.
However, in a game like Cod where in every game so far you've been able to spawn with a rocket/grenade launcher/grenades/shotgun. All of these kill in a single hit most of the time. This has a wonderful habit of balancing out gameplay. At level one I was still in the top 3 of my team.
Ok, you got a point there. Besides, those unlockables sure encourage the player to keep going, a great motivation if you think about it.

mfG diebane
 

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WaaghPowa said:
Scrumpmonkey said:
Call of Duty was a great series, Call of Duty 4 was one of the best shooters arround at the time. People dislike Call of Duty, not becuase it's popular but because it's not been very good post CoD4.
Quoted for truth, although I personally thought the series from the beginning wasn't very good.

My issue is mainly with the small percentage of CoD players who migrate to the next new MP shooter, fail to grasp different gameplay, then call it crap for not being like CoD. Brink is a perfect example, I'm sick of people whining about how the other team is stomping us when they're not buffing or playing their class. That and medic snipers who don't revive.
I agree on that front. The Community of Call of Duty is not the best in the world to say the least. The problem is that this is the first contact with shooters many have, thus making then think 1. that acting like a barely sentient ass-monkey is the right way to behave on line and 2. That all FPS games should be played like Call of Duty and 3. That team-work is never needed or evem desireable.

I would do a deconstruction of the problems with CoD as a game, with CoD as a movement and with CoD as a business model but frankly Jim's F-list trolling rutine is not worth the rise. Many good people have said hundreds of valid things about WHY the call of duty series is distasteful to them, both in terms of the game its self and the circumstances and community surronding the game.
 

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Being popular doesn't necessarily make something bad, but it certainly is a strong indicator.

If something has reached the level of generic-ness and mass appeal required to become the top seller in a medium, that often means it doesn't speak strongly enough to someone for it to be the best or most meaningful experience for a specific group or person.

For instance, imagine having to order a single pizza to share with 8 people. Some people like anchovies, some people like peppers, etc. But for a pizza to appeal to everyone it might have to be just cheese, because every person has their own specific tastes that come into conflict with each other. But just because they are all willing to eat that cheese pizza doesn't make it the 'best' pizza, just the one that has the common denominator between all of the people.

In fact I love food analogies when it comes to popularity and the quality of the product. You may find people who will argue until the end of time that Justin Bieber is the height of artistic meaning and achievement in music, but few will say that McDonalds sells the most hamburgers because they are made of top quality ingredients.

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People will always be hating on what's popular, because that's what the 'cool kids' do
I hate when people put on that whole 'people hate what's popular because it's cool' nonsense. It's not cool to be critical of what's popular. What's cool is to like the same thing everyone else likes, to be in with the popular crowd.

Having standards is the loneliest thing a person can do, and it's practically never out of choice. I would love to think that the media which surrounds me is truly meaningful and entertaining. I wish I could go back to only listening to songs on the radio, only watching big dumb blockbuster flicks, and only playing the games everyone else around me plays, but once I saw that there was more to life than what was placed directly in front of my nose it became impossible to go back.

I wish more people were critical, and more willing to admit the faults even in things they enjoy. But instead we have a strange kind of world where it seems like you either love something to the point of ignorance and blindness of any even somewhat critical views of it, or you're a hater who just disses the things people likes to be 'cool'. When really it's far more likely that neither of these things are true, and people just have a really hard time truly expressing their feelings and views on things in general.

I could ramble forever, and I tend to have my point missed completely no matter how much I type... so I'll just stop now.
 

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I hope they get rid of this terrible show soon. Seriously, it's like he can't figure out if he wants to be more like Yahtzee, MovieBob, or an angsty 12 year old, so he tries too hard to be all 3.
 

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CoD exists, love it or hate it. Cast opinions across the internet at people about it.

Just remember, no-one puts a gun to your head to play it and above all things it's just a game, something you play to enjoy and experience.

It's fun, challenging and refining your game-play and MP create a class is something a perfectionist like me enjoys to no end.

I just think they should bolster the SP for MW3. I think if you make the SP more engaging, more players would look favourably on it. Rather than burning through or plain disregarding it in favour of the MP.

One question I have is, if more people dislike CoD because of the SP and how many for the MP and would improvement in those areas, make them look more favourably on the series?
 

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You're defending CoD on the Escapist, one of the most sequel-phobic, anti-mainstream, "popular is bad (Unless it's Valve)", indie-snobby sites on the internet... that takes balls.
Or maybe jim is doing what he always does and is being a despirate troll.

Exactly. Also way to be a complete and total asshole (Not you but Jim) and insult soldiers everywhere and what they fight for.
 

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Does anybody know the name of the song playing during the intro and credits? I didn't see its name mentioned anywhere.

On Topic though: I don't have a problem with COD as a game. But I just don't play live much because of those very vocal children, wich makes the game really not worth buying considering how the campaign isn't worth 60 dollars alone. I don't want anti-sematic drivel spouted at me every time I stab a guy.

Though I do have friends who are completely lovely people and play COD, though they agree with me about the screaming children.
 

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Frozen Donkey Wheel2 said:
subtlefuge said:
People went back and captured Osama? That's news.
....Not really, it happened several weeks ago. Also, "killed", not "captured".
But Jim said captured like 5 times. I trust him implicitly.

Can't keep it up. You really thought I was being serious. Really?
Yeah, I had a good chuckle at that, too. Jim must be responsible for his capture, because he's the ONLY ONE WHO KNOWS HE'S STILL ALIVE! What other explanation could there be?
 

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"Call of Duty: Modern Warfare is a game which defined what a modern multiplayer shooter could be".

Wrong, that would be Team Fortress 2.

Jim is doing a great job of embarrassing himself. He didn't acknowledge any od the main reasons people tend to dislike COD.

Boring environments.
No innovative mechanics.
No teamwork

etc...
Wrong, that would be Team Fortress 2.


All Team fortress has introduced to this generation of shooters is providing lots of little transactions for things which don't enhance the game in a plausible way. If Team fortress was as influential as CoD, wouldn't every FPS game be a Cartoon-ish teamwork oriented affair with lots of silly hats? I'm not hating on team fortress, it would be nice if more games conformed to its ideals but im nt sure thats the case right now
 

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Thank you God, for giving us Jim.

I don't know how this show can get any better.

EDIT: Oh yeah, thanks to you too Jim, for the whole Osama thing. Cheers!
 

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This video and your last are definitely much better than your first 3 submissions. I like the more serious attitude that you've developed (still light-hearted, but it's not all over the place like before). Also, I enjoy that it's not a copy of EC (because they describe games from the point of a designer while you capture more of what the players see) but you still manage to show off your knowledge while not being a prat like Yahtzee.
 

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Jimquisition got a lot better in a hurry. I was originally of the opinion that Jim should have done a weekly column or something instead, staying in the written media, but this proves me wrong. Good stuff.

Also, I agree with the general sentiment that it's not automatically shit because it's popular. Same goes for film and music, why not games?
 

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Srdjan Tanaskovic said:
Also here are some arguments COD have for hating it and thinking it ruined FPS

Linearity
Rechargeable health
More time spent on making the Multiplayer then Singeplayer
Makings games to brown and gloom
Limit weapons
Linearity in FPS games existed way, WAY before COD came along.
Halo
Quake, Medal of Honour, Counter-Strike, Doom, The original Team Fortress ect...
Halo.

OT: It's good to see someone defend CoD for a change. As long as it's good, I'll keep buying it.
 
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Why do you hide all the GOOD arguments in the second half of the video Jim? I almost closed the episode halfway through and would have missed them!

So in the end some very good arguments were made which made me think a bit deeper about my distaste for CoD.

But I still dislike it.

1) The gameplay just doesn't appeal to me. I like the perk system, but I don't like the whole "you die in 2.5 hits" thing. To me, it feels like "whoever sees the other player first automatically wins".

2) I also don't like the whole modern warfare setting. It just....doesn't appeal to me. I like "out there" kinds of settings. Like TF2, or borderlands, or Mass Effect, or Vanquish or what-have-you. Those feel way more interesting to me. Not to mention I find real weaponry to be boring as well. I like my weapons to have something cool to them, rather than just being pieces of metal that go bang and kill things. Take Borderlands again for a sec. While technically, my "static law" is a magnum that shoots and kills things like a normal gun, it also makes giant lightning explosions. I find that automatically more cool than just plain old bullets.

And...That's all I can think of right now. Might be back later to add more.
 

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Unfortunatly, Call Of Duty didn't start the "Unlocks with levels", that would be battlefield 2's doing. So i guess you could call Activision the copy cats.
Not even close. Hell, CoD:UO(the expansion to the first game. I know. Shockingly the series didn't start at CoD4) had mortars that you unlocked when you got 40 kills, reaching a certain rank. That was their first dive into rank based rewards.
CoD:UO came out in 2004, and BF2 came out in 2005.

I'm not at all saying that CoD started the rewards and what not, but they certainly didn't copy it from Battlefield 2.
 

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I agree 100% with this video. It's a shame that I have to hide among my PC gaming friends that I play CoD on a regular basis on my PS3.

CoD is not ONLY populated by kids, it's just they they are THE LOUDEST of the users, so obviously, the first (and sometimes the only ones) you notice.

Hey, guys? Here's a solution. It's called muting mic. And in extreme cases of butthurt, there's this thing called blacklist (not sure about 360 there tho) where you can throw away usernames... and voila! all of their incoming PM's get automatically discarded!

Seriously, stop acting like you are better, you are not.
 

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As a game, I don't think CoD is bad at all, it's just overrated. The problem I see with CoD is that it's approaching monopoly status. At this point, the release date of a game can literally be dominated by weather or not CoD is releasing a sequel that year.

CoD is like a sports franchise, and because of it, FPS's dominate the market. They've become the easiest and most profitable games to make, thus publishers and producers are more reluctant to back games outside of that genre.

A similar issue arises with Gears of War, there are loads of games that seem to default to 3rd person cover shooting in place of an original gameplay model.

Take Kane and Lynch or Army of Two for instance, two games that appear to have barely one original though under their belt, but were both released presumably on the grounds that they were kinda like GoW, meanwhile, talented people with great ides for games are stumped because they've never had dinner with Cliff B.
 

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Have to agree with this episode, he brings up good points and actually talks some sense for once.

And yes I enjoy COD. And I'm not a 12 year old kid (Which is a stupid stereotype anyway since the invention of party chat - your lucky to have 1 person on the mic in public games anymore)
 

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i am guilty of talking down to COD and its players.

but i don't regret it. i'm just a hater.
 

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One thing I will agree on is that too many people automatically look down on CoD players. You constantly read stuff like "CoD is only for bro-gamers" etc.

On the other hand if you dislike CoD you often just get shoe-horned into the 'haters' category.

I really enjoyed MW but I stopped buying CoD games after they ruined MW2's multiplayer with IWNET and started re-hashing scenes from MW for the single player. But really it's the multiplayer aspect that ruined everything for me.

Another reason I didn't buy BLOPS was because I started seeing how Activision is starting down the whole DLC/micro transaction route which is not something I want to help nurture.
In fact I wish less people would mindlessly buy the games and then after the purchase complain about DLC prices etc.

If you like the game and don't mind what Activision is doing with DLC and MP then fine, go ahead and spend you dough on it, though.
 

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Wow, I actually liked this episode.

I had intended to not watch another Jimquisition video again, but I clicked this one due to curiosity over the subject matter. Much better than the first 2, in my opinion.

On a somewhat related note (sort of): posting the entire (alleged) synopsis for MW3 online!? Really, are people that desperate they'd go to the lengths of reading a (likely completely fabricated) rundown of the storyline?
 

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My biggest issue with the series is that it is pretty similar. I'm on PC, and MW2's lack of dedicated servers kept me from buying it. That problem was resolved for Black Ops so I bought it, but not before asking some MW2 players what differences there were between the two. They had a hard time coming up with any.

That problem is easily resolved through not buying every version. Less easily solved is the fact that at launch on PC, Black Ops was COMPLETELY UNPLAYABLE. My fancy gaming comp could run the single-player with only a little bit of lag if I reduced the settings to make the game look considerably worse than COD 4. The multiplayer was getting about 0.5 FPS on min settings on every server. Meanwhile, the 4-year-old hardware running in the Xbox looked and ran great. The problem was resolved after several WEEKS and I could play my $60 game, but if the devs could please, you know, RUN THE GAME once or twice despite the fact that it is a port, I'm sure all us PC player's would appreciate it.

Lastly, Nazi Zombies. I have no problem with it. I's a fun game mode that adds an element of co-op to a game that is otherwise mostly about going it alone. My issue isn't with the game mode itself, but with many of the players that I talk to. They all say that Nazi Zombies is amazing and some play it more than the normal multiplayer. Then I mention that it's fun, but I prefer the L4D series. The great majority of players (I have talked to) respond that L4D is shit and NZ is way better, despite the fact that they have never played L4D and I have played both. And the fact that NZ is a bonus game while L4D is a full $50 game made by effing VALVE (who they have occasionally heard of). And the fact that L4D has more than one type of zombie each with it's own strategy for killing. And the fact that L4D has a versus mode. etc. etc. etc. I realize that I shouldn't be insulting people for their choice of game, but it frustrates me when they insist that a game series I thoroughly enjoy is shitty while knowing nothing about it.

There Jim, you asked for reasoned complaints about the game, and I made some. I still enjoy the COD series and I'm glad it exists, even if for no other reason than showing those outside the gaming community that games are a force to be reckoned with.
 

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I hope many people who are saying "He tries too hard" do realize his way of speaking, heaving breathing, and sporadic panting are because he is overweight, right?

When I was kid, and chubby, I had a hard time breathing easily during long conversations and such, let alone wear any Tuxedo or even try to act infront of an audience, so please people, use your head for a moment or two.
I think this guy is right on.

Who Dares Wins said:
This episode appealed to me more than any before. There was some overacting (the artist) and your valid arguments could be taken as invalid because you represent your opposition in an unfair manner, but other than that, not many complaints. Get rid of that, stop the self-praise (I know it's a joke but some people don't get jokes and they might see you as a self entitled prick) calm down and speak with a calm tone (most of the episode was like this and it was good) and you have a nice and a reasonable show on The Escapist.


Oh and great intro song.
Perhaps people are taking him the wrong way as a cultural difference. British humor is far more scathing than what we accept in North America. Look at the difference between the British and North American versions of 'The Weakest Link' for instance. I feel like maybe the audience isn't reading him as he intends? Idk just a thought.
 

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Srdjan Tanaskovic said:
Jim just remember


Just because it's popular doesn't mean it's good *looks at Twilight*

Well come on now, a lot of the time, things get popular for a reason. Nothing ever becomes popular without some merit- wait a moment.

*Looks at Twilight again*

....I see your point....
 

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Cod is a gd set of games, up until black opps. The point where you had to go out of your way and go on F.A.G.s just to find out what the hell was going on in the story just ruined it for me.
 

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"Wheres the commentary on the stark nature of video games?"

That would be the COD4 campaign. It explored technological rationality, modernism and post-modernismin the way the individual is distanced from war reflecting are consumption of war as it happens.

It also challenges the narrative and gaming expectations of a mythological "supersoldier",
as your charchter dies experiencing the fallout (if you'll excuse the pun) of modern warfare.


People are equally (if not more) criticalal of the shallow nature of cinema, this isn't a trend only apparent in computer games.

EDIT: Jim addresses the narrative sophistication of COD4.
 

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I still have some problems with this series right now. Obviously this is a more "controversial" episode, and I do think you are getting better at this, but there are still some greivances I have;

Your "self-made narcissist" image doesn't really help your credibility or your general image. I know that's sort of the schtick you're going for, but at least tone it down (where the "The President thanks God...for me!" thing came from, I really don't know) to a tolerable level. We've already got a lovable-narcissist wacko here, at least show some originality in it.

Another thing I found odd about this video is that you set up this whole "Pompous Artsy-Fartsy Asshole" target to base your arguments off of and yet you never even address his points. Seriously, the weird, fluffy, Mad Hatter crazy guy came in for, what, two scenes? And both times you completely ignored his arguments, however fallacious they may be (and the guy in itself is an ad homeniem, but whatever). You simply presented that guy as if we're supposed to hate the guy, but instead we end up disliking you because you're mocking people who very well may have a point, but instead you chose to grossly misrepresent them and presented a generalization. At least take his statements as a jumping off point for your arguments.

But, more on topic; See, the thing is, you've only been citing CoD4 as standards of online play and/or narrative. Now the CoD series have become extremely glorified. Seriously, if you look at the relatively tame CoD4 campaign, and compare it to the huge 'splosion-fest, conspiracy riddled Black Ops campaign, CoD4, while still pretty overblown, is much more subtle and well-crafted. I have nothing but respect for CoD4, though Modern Warfare 2 went to loopy-ville. Now it's all about making explosions after explosions with setpiece after setpiece. While that's perfectly fine to an extent, it's just been so overwhelming to see a pretty awesome series dissolve into yet another holiday blockbuster. Modern Warfare 3 seems to be straying further from the roots that you've detailed CoD4 as, as it's not just another 'splosion fest. It's not a commentary anymore, it's just another shooter.

I don't dislike the people behind Call of Duty, they may perfectly enjoy the series and if so more power to them. It is Activision that I cannot stand. I am already in a personal boycott against them until they clean up their acts, so I refuse to buy any game they have published, developed, or are affiliated with. I dislike how they run their franchises to the ground, I dislike how they handle their studios, and I dislike how the CEO handles everything else. However, if someone wants to go buy their games, go for it, I have no qualms with it. Enjoy the games, and I am perfectly sincere in saying that.
 

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I agree almost fully with this. I've never gotten into Cod myself, but I've never understood the whole "u play cod ur so lame lol" thing. The only thing that I personally dislike about Call of Duty is that it's basically "run around the map and if you happen stumble upon an enemy, shoot him", whereas in, say, Team Fortress 2, you like, y'know, work as a Team with your other teammates. I'm not saying there can't be teamwork in Cod, it's just that there isn't much of it.
 

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I like CoD. It's okay. I don't think the narratives is very "well paced" though, as a general rule.
 

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Well personally I'd rather have all the perks unlocked because I'm not playing fucking WoW. I like being able to play with all the different weapon perks without investing a huge amount of my time into unlocking each. Believe it or not I don't have enough time or find enough good connections to make these unlocks worth my while. Also I like to play most multiplayer games locally and that means that my friend who plays with me can't use any of the weapons besides the starting ones. It's just dickish. Also, I wholeheartedly agree about the map packs. They should be AT LEAST half the price. Most DLC I get is around £6-8 whereas CoD puts it at £12. Go fuck yourselves.

Also, Black Ops had a well-paced story? Could've fooled me. I thought it was singularly the most shit story for any video game ever, but I guess that's just me.
 

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I have really started to look forward to this show each week. Keep up the good work you are giving us gold!
 

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As a game, I don't think CoD is bad at all, it's just overrated. The problem I see with CoD is that it's approaching monopoly status. At this point, the release date of a game can literally be dominated by weather or not CoD is releasing a sequel that year.

CoD is like a sports franchise, and because of it, FPS's dominate the market. They've become the easiest and most profitable games to make, thus publishers and producers are more reluctant to back games outside of that genre.

A similar issue arises with Gears of War, there are loads of games that seem to default to 3rd person cover shooting in place of an original gameplay model.

Take Kane and Lynch or Army of Two for instance, two games that appear to have barely one original though under their belt, but were both released presumably on the grounds that they were kinda like GoW, meanwhile, talented people with great ides for games are stumped because they've never had dinner with Cliff B.
Hmmm you did make a good point on CoD's market impact, but then again so did Jim.

Off topic though: Also time to admit my little guilty pleasure. I rather liked Army of Two, both of them in fact. I liked how there was a shooter where having a partner mattered and I couldn't just solo everything. Plus I've always had an awesome relationship with my little brother, and Army of Two was the only shooter at the time where it felt like the two main characters actually cared and relied upon eachother. Just my two cents.
 

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Does anybody know the name of the song playing during the intro and credits? I didn't see its name mentioned anywhere.
It's exactly where you'd expect it to be... on the first page of the credits.

Intro music: Drill Queen
Backing Track: It's off of FFIX
 

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*blink* *blink*

In other news, Jim Sterling apparently has a white-lipstick wearing yellow-bowlered homosexual alter ego.

Pardon my while I curl up in a corner and twitch for a moment.

(twitch)

The commentary is actually fairly decent in this one. It does kind of make me want to suggest an experiment, though: make two versions of the next video, and cut out everything that's just Sterling himself speaking directly to the camera out of one (which is to say, everything that isn't really commentary on the subject.) Look at both versions, and see if anything is lost in the shorter version.

Just a thought.
 

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great video and good points. Bottom line real gamers play what we like because we like it, not because someone else said it's ok for you to like it. Sadly the hardcore gamer community is in some ways more ignorant and bigger sheep than those COD players we all hate. If you ever feel like you have to justify that you like COD to anyone for whatever reason, then that person probably forgot what gaming is supposed to be about. Have fun and enjoy, that's all that matters. Even if your favorite website editors don't agree.
 

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while all good points

CoD is still an FPS, thus automatically black-listed from my library.

though i was unaware that liking CoD was some how a bad thing, that's :/ rather sad actually
 

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LMFO, "defending" Call of Duty? It doesn't NEED defending, that's what an army of millions of frat boys and 13 year old tards are for. I know it's somehow a cardinal sin for the rest of us to disagree with them and demand variety, but again, it doesn't need defending.

Once again, another pointless episode of Jimquisition. Please stop this show, it's never been relevant.
 

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Godammit Jim, I love you more with every jab you take at this community of twatdonkeys.

Seriously its like he's trolling, only he makes good points, which makes said twatdonkeys even more infuriated.

In all seriousness though, people dislike being told what they enjoy is shit. This is why the elitists in the Escapist community (and other sites I won't mention) like to flock around and form circle-jerks around what is accepted as their favorite titles. Likewise, when they are told to dislike something by the hivemind, they will line up to defecate on said thing without thought.
 

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It's not so much that I think CoD is a bad series, but it's far more popular than it needs to be. Yeah, Modern Warfare was a great game, and revolutionized online multiplayer. MW2...just did more of that. And Black Ops, even more of that. I mostly hate how CoD is synonymous with video games these days. Every time I tell someone I like playing games, the first thing they ask is if I like Call of Duty. Why don't I ever hear people ask about Assassin's Creed or Fallout or Red Dead Redemption? Those are all big-budget, mainstream titles with their own merits and appeals, but all I meet are people who like Call of Duty. I'm not saying everyone has to like obscure games like Shin Megami Tensei. Just, you know, put a little more variety into your gaming diet.
 

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Got up to the point where he donned the yellow cap and acted like a gay man. I do have to say that I am straight and take offense to that stereo-type. And I am not watching another of his videos.

He mentioned Farmville. I hate Farmville for this reason: MONTHS before Farmville started I was playing an App called Farm Town. Farmville came out and was the EXACT same thing. Zynga doesn't make their own shit they blatently rip off others.
He mentioned Angry Birds. I have to say that I do not agree with it destroying gaming. Its a fun casual game to play when your trying to kill 10-15 minutes at a time.

And now to my reason why CoD is shit. Yeah the multiplayer is fun but seriously multiplayer isn't the only thing it needs. It needs a solid single player so you can play by yourself once in a while. I did enjoy the story of MW1 didn't bother with WaW thought it was too soon for another good game. Then MW2 came out and my brother got it since I didn't have a job to get the game at the time. The story was quite a bit lacking. Then there was BlOps. I purposely went out of my way to find out every spoiler about the story. Yeah story doesn't have a prayer once you've played through it once. The only thing that helps the story is its one plot twist.
That Resnov is dead and its like Fight Club.
I actually still have hopes for the CoD series because they seem to have the Multiplayer part down now hopefully they can get the single player to have an actual good story.
 

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Jim, Call of Duty is terrible for two reason that I'm sure that you and everyone else here, including Yahtzee, will find enlightening:

1. It's initials are COD and that's the name of a fish, therefore, as a series, it's qualities are all fishy.
2. There are no RPG elements (or rather, it lacks the most important ones, those being action points, giant swords and navel-gazing philosophical quandaries) or Nazis to kill in it.
2 1/2: This guy!
This is your mind on COD! Any Questions? (That question was rhetorical!)

Q. E. D.! Therefore, your points are invalid!

Nah, I'm joshing with you. Not only do I agree with your points, they can easily be applied to any form of entertainment at all. Good show, sir Sterling.
 

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I don't hate Call of Duty because it is popular or because the story can be far fetched. I don't even really hate the CoD series as I still love Call of Duty 4. I hate Modern Warfare 2 because of balance issues.
 

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On behalf of England, I would like to apologise for this cretin.

This is the first episode I've gotten through, and Jesus fucking Budda with the star of David, this guy is a douche.
 

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Srdjan Tanaskovic said:
Also here are some arguments COD have for hating it and thinking it ruined FPS

Linearity
Rechargeable health
More time spent on making the Multiplayer then Singeplayer
Makings games to brown and gloom
Limit weapons
Nothing wrong with being linear.
That's in Halo,
That's not new *cough* Warhawk
I blame Gears for that
Halo again.
 

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Dear Jim i going to try argue that call of duty while it has its good games i still find it a lack luster series other than call of duty four witch i found very fun. The fist call of duty was the first set in ww2. It was launched in 2003 and was new and interesting, then the sequel witch was good because it focused on the game from a different direction ie the European forces. Then it goes down from three with spin off after spin off set in world war 2 to the point it just stale. the after cod 4 trearc put the game back in ww2 and modern warfare 2 i just hatted because it was multi-player focused game and a small single player all so im a pc gamer so take last statement for what you will.
 

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1) The gameplay just doesn't appeal to me. I like the perk system, but I don't like the whole "you die in 2.5 hits" thing. To me, it feels like "whoever sees the other player first automatically wins".
For some reason it seems like a bigger problem in COD than any other shooter.
 

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I'm really digging this guy he's real escapist material I mean look how much he gets under people's skin with his. Everything. Just like Yathzee and moviebob. James will be our nice guy. Movie bob will be the nerd. Yathzee the Cynic. and now Jim our narcissist. They are the archetypes of the escapist. Kneel before them.
 

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Well I can't say that Call of Duty is not a absolutely horrible series (I, myself, adored CoD:MW) but I really don't like where Activision is taking the game.

And my problems with the game are (I'm limiting this to the Multiplayer):

1. The players are too bullet-squishy.

I play Team Fortress 2 and Brink, which is probably where this complaint comes from. In the CoD series, if someone is under another person's crosshairs, they're dead. Nevertheless this happens in real life, but it's important to give players a chance to fight back if they're ambushed.

So in CoD, no one really bothers to venture out in groups, because three bullets to the leg can kill you. So people usually just sit in a corner, waiting for some unlucky sort to pass by.

2. No sense of teamwork.

I never get a feeling of teamwork in CoD games. People always seem to go on their own, because there's no real way of defending your team-mates because of how easily they die (See #1)

3. Everyone looks the same.

There's no real differentiating looks between enemies and allies alike. The classes in TF2 are all easily recognizable, as you're near always able to tell what weapon they have and what team they're on (classic red/blue contrast). I can never see this in CoD games.

4. Health regeneration.

Yep, this little nugget again. Another problem with the lack of team-work is this. Medics on multiplayer games are always important, and games winning or losing can be determined by Medics. People will protect them, making an objective for both teams, helping ensure team-work.

But when you can just sit in a corner, suck your thumb for 4 seconds, and grow both your legs back, this can deter team-work and have people go own their own, not needing anyone's help.

While I'm slightly okay with it in single-player games (begrudgingly so), multiplayer games never work with health regen.

Though some health regen has worked. I like the idea of a regen armor over a squishy interior (Crysis 2, Halo, etc.).
 

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Davroth said:
Maraveno said:
Davroth said:
Yeah, So, I didn't care for war shooter long before it was cool.
ah the new meme

Reported for being a troll since that is a troll meme
I was not aware of that. Is there a list somewhere of things I'm allowed to answer so I wont run into this situation again?

Also, what I wrote was nothing but my honest opinion.
Trolling and Meme's are frowned upon
Just a heads up

You're post had to have some actual foundation.

Stuff like " I can't fap to this" "Herp Derp"

Or the Hipster troll of " I hated it before hating it was cool" < your's

Are usually not looked upon that kindly

In that sense however I don't think this one is that widespread yet so people won't notice it much

But people tend to get really pissy on this site.
 

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Oh god, this is my favourite video series on this site. Jim is awesome XD

You're kidding right?

To me, this show is nothing more than unintelligent ramblings on topics that everyone already understands and bad humor.
 

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Well I can't say that Call of Duty is not a absolutely horrible series (I, myself, adored CoD:MW) but I really don't like where Activision is taking the game.

And my problems with the game are (I'm limiting this to the Multiplayer):

1. The players are too bullet-squishy.

I play Team Fortress 2 and Brink, which is probably where this complaint comes from. In the CoD series, if someone is under another person's crosshairs, they're dead. Nevertheless this happens in real life, but it's important to give players a chance to fight back if they're ambushed.

So in CoD, no one really bothers to venture out in groups, because three bullets to the leg can kill you. So people usually just sit in a corner, waiting for some unlucky sort to pass by.

2. No sense of teamwork.

I never get a feeling of teamwork in CoD games. People always seem to go on their own, because there's no real way of defending your team-mates because of how easily they die (See #1)

3. Everyone looks the same.

There's no real differentiating looks between enemies and allies alike. The classes in TF2 are all easily recognizable, as you're near always able to tell what weapon they have and what team they're on (classic red/blue contrast). I can never see this in CoD games.

4. Health regeneration.

Yep, this little nugget again. Another problem with the lack of team-work is this. Medics on multiplayer games are always important, and games winning or losing can be determined by Medics. People will protect them, making an objective for both teams, helping ensure team-work.

But when you can just sit in a corner, suck your thumb for 4 seconds, and grow both your legs back, this can deter team-work and have people go own their own, not needing anyone's help.

While I'm slightly okay with it in single-player games (begrudgingly so), multiplayer games never work with health regen.
Luckily each issue you named is clear in the battlefield bad company games

So

Ehm

[sub] guys I don't know what to do now!
you tell 'm to clap
Like this?
yeah...no but nevermind[/sub]
 

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I don't think anyone has a problem with the COD games specifically. I myself don't enjoy playing war games, or very many first person shooters at all, but I played MW2 and Black Ops and they're pretty good. The thing that people don't like are people who play them. Obviously, I don't mean everyone. Most of the guys who play COD are perfectly respectable people. But the few who do nothing but yell into the mic all the time and ruin the fun for everyone else.

Another great episode, Jim. I've enjoyed all of them so far, even if others might not get the humour. I think the show is brilliant, keep it up.
 

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This was probably the most consistently entertaining Jimquisition to date. I think you work best when you're commenting on a particular game or franchise, which isn't really adding anything to this site but it DOES add a different perspective than the rest. So keep up the good work.
 

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*sigh*


...

PS. Black Ops has a well paced narrative? That's the funniest thing I've heard in quite some time. CoD:MW? Sure. MW2? Eh... pushing it. Blops? Ha!
You sir, may have a drink on me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7v0V58V3Uw

Basic summary of Black Ops' storyline? BANG, BANG, RUN, HELICOPTER!

OT: When this guy makes points in the voiceovers, he comes across as reasonable and intelligent. Unfortunatly, he then comes back with the live segments, in which he seems to be trying to exploit the comical arrogance of Yahtzee and Moviebob, with none of the wit.
 

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Totally agree. I myself do not derive much enjoyment from CoD games and haven't played it since CoD4, but other people clearly do, and so what? Let them enjoy what they enjoy and stay out of it. It's almost as bad as people who tout their music taste as superior in every way and that pop and hip-hop are terrible genres with no redeeming features and everyone who listens to it is automatically stupid.

God, those people make me ashamed to call myself a metalhead sometimes.
 

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I really like you, Jim, but I think perhaps you've missed the point of why Call of Duty is so (seemingly) universally panned. It's not because of overuse, or a "games r art" sentimnent. After all, Call of Duty 4 DID say something about the human condition, and made an incredible statement about nuclear weapons and war as a whole.

No. Things that make modern Call of Duty iterations bad are the declining, rushed-out quality of the singleplayer campaigns, and the fact that it comes out year after year after fucking year, an obvious cash-grab from the publisher's side, and little more than contract work on the dev's side.

Yay, the multiplayer is still as addictive as ever, but Call of Duty 4 had an INCREDIBLE single-player experience, which is what I remember above all about the game (as much fun as I had with the multi-player), and with the advent of lack of dedicated servers PC-side in MW2, to a poorly-written and paced campaign in Black Ops, the Call of Duty series, despite popularity, is of POOR QUALITY.

Here's hoping Battlefield 3 can show people how games like CoD are MEANT to be made. In the meantime, let bygones be bygones I say. There's absolutely no reason anyone says a game is shit other than THEY THINK THE GAME IS SHIT. Art for art's sake is possibly WORSE to "hipsters" than... just plain art. And Call of Duty 4 was art. Sorry, Jim.
 

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COD 4 was awesome, no one is complaining about it, MW2 is the one that is hated, I find it crappy.

And the argument of the newcomer and the expert player is wrong, if a experienced player is using a new account he can lose a fight because of perks, an experienced player in quake can always kick ass.

Newcomers should always expect to get their asses kicked for a bit, its normal, that is why they are called NEWBIES.

PS: Why is the escapist going after pretencious dudes that think that they know "THE THRUGH", seriously, Movie Bob and now this guy. Go watch Extra Credits, they actually teach instead of rubbing useless facts on our faces that prove how great you are.
 

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My argument against Call of Duty is less about the series itself and more about what it has become.

Call of Duty 4 was a friggin' masterpiece. In both its single player campaign and its multiplayer are designed to be fun for all levels of play. Offering many different game types and playstyles for players to pursue.

Call of Duty: World at War wasn't as well designed(With some things outright not working), but it was ambitious and legitimately tried to deliver something that people would enjoy.

Modern Warfare 2 is when the series hit the shitter. It wasn't a game meant to be enjoyed, it was a game meant to be played. Offering more ways to grind, more "cool" classes while throwing any sort of balance to the wind.

I frequently found myself just cursing the game whenever I played it. Its design was good for casual players(not a bad thing in itself) but it takes the casual design and twists it and turns it into some sort of casual abomination. A good multiplayer game is a game that is easy to access from a newbie point of view but offering great depth for long time players. Modern Warfare 2 forgoes the latter part to just sell as many copies as possible. And then adding skinner box methods to keep people playing and telling their friends to buy it. It's not a game, it's a billboard. The series needs to go back to basics and figure out where exactly the series was strong and where it completely failed. They need to figure out how they came up with Call of Duty 4. And figure out how they messed up Modern Warfare 2.

Oh, and its level design was absolute garbage too.
 

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I don't hate Call of Duty because it's popular. I just don't care for it, mostly because it's a gritty, brown, """"""realistic"""""" game (although I'm not sure if it really is anymore), and also because it's a first-person shooter, and I don't like first-person shooters.
 

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Lol why are you getting angry at CoD because other game studios are copying it? How does that make any sense at all?

I only play CoD:WaW really, because it's the one that I have. Although I can imagine easy ways of improving it, as others are copying CoD therefore making CoD the pioneer on this front i'd say they're doing well.
Who are you talking to?
 

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I cannot deny Call of Duty is well made, it's slick, it's well produced, every minute is planned and the presentation is flawless. But it is nothing new. It's the honing of a good idea, and I can't fault the game as a game. I can fault it as art though.

Art is rarely about the stimulus and all about the ideas behind it. The ideas behind a game like No More Heroes are to criticise western video game development and explore the "hollow symbols of American culture", the idea behind Call of Duty is to make the next Call of Duty. Maybe some stuff about war being shit but the focus has always been multiplayer, and I doubt artistic vision comes into that. I could be wrong, but I think any analysis of the ideas behind Call of Duty Multiplayer would be deeply misguided.

I liked Black Ops, because there was actually a theme running through that, and it did actually question the medium. Not thoroughly enough to be truly moving, it's not terribly good as art, but it is still a decent theme.
 

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Ha ha haaa, as if CoD:MW defined modern multiplayer. As stated before, Team fortress is much better in that regard & you mustn't forget about the long running Battlefield series which has been focusing on multiplayer for a decade. So don't give me this crap, if anything they were the first ones to appeal to knuckle draggers & low brow gun fetishistic peeps in America... This is fact so get over it already, we shouldn't stagnate over this old hat argument!
 

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Not everyone who dislikes call of duty just because it's popular,(although there are a good handful of these people) some just generally don't like it. Although Jim does have 2 really good points. Disliking COD or liking a certain game doesn't automatically make you superior to COD players. And, liking COD doesn't automatically turn people into a dumb jock or an insufferable 1337 gam3r.Overall Jim does have points but, I think he needs to stop attacking COD dislikers.

Edit: I also like to add another good point made by Jim is that it's not exactly Call of duty's fault that other companies try to imitate it. In a perfect world, all companies would try to be original but in the real world, if something is popular, others will imitate it to try to get a small sliver of that popularity.
 

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I've got to totally disagree with Jim. I even feel a little agitated after watching him. He's no Extra Credits.

COD:MW2 has set the standard for games to neglect single-player campaigns in favour of multi-player. As a hater of mankind, I don't play a lot of multi-player. That and it's not fun to get continuously killed by higher ranked heavily armed ninja veterans or being the only blip on the radar as endless predator drones rain down when ever I'm outside. I almost immediately turned off incoming audio after there was some dick with a soundboard.

As for the single-player campaign of MW2, it has interesting moments, but it's a mess of a narrative with holes everywhere. What's with the cold war thing anyway? It's bad enough it has throwbacks to Red Dawn, one of the worst films I've seen (which homefront obviously loved). An interesting counter-point is that they didn't necessarily need a narrative and by adding one at all, shows some effort.

Then the was pricing, they jacked up the cost of the game by £10 and the DLC is extortionate. I only own a copy because I got it free with the console. And now they're realising one every year like a sports title. They don't care about quality, they just want a quick buck.

Mostly though, mostly, my main complaint is the douchebags on youtube. There are just so many...
 

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This is the first video on The Escapist that made me miss the simplicity of Pac-Man. Thank you, Jim, for aging me and making me feel even more like my DAD.

Boy did this take some effort to get to watching. I thought the third vid was fine, or at least better from his first two. I guess that this guy has gradually made the transition from angry ranting person angrily ranting about nothing in particular to an incredibly smug person who really has no right to be. He really isn't as good as he thinks he is; he doesn't discuss important or even interesting topics like Extra Credits, doesn't serve a purpose like Movie Bob, and tries way too hard to be hilarious and off the wall, a talent that only Yahtzee can really get away with. As great as Yahtzee is, I don't need an entire magazine of him and people attempting to be him.
 

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Notice how when addressing the opposition he went strait for the stereotypical high-brow gamer as the person who hates COD and who he puposefuly makes seem like a total dick even, but then defends COD players as not being stereotypes and says that they are decent people. I'm not saying that the second statment is untrue, but if part of his argument involves diffusing stereotypes, then he should not use them himself.
 

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COD doesn't suck to people because its not "arty". Mock the right people Jim, otherwise you just come of as a tosser.
 

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despite having a stick so far up his ass that he could lead a parade through Central New York (Which mixed with over-acting is part of the show anyways), I find Jim actually does know what he's talking about.

CoD series is full of good games, and people do like it. It isn't my cup of tea, but I certainly will not mouth off against it like some useless hick that finds any old excuse to bash a perfectly loved game. Closed minded people make me sick...
 

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SvenBTB said:
LMFO, "defending" Call of Duty? It doesn't NEED defending, that's what an army of millions of frat boys and 13 year old tards are for. I know it's somehow a cardinal sin for the rest of us to disagree with them and demand variety, but again, it doesn't need defending.

Once again, another pointless episode of Jimquisition. Please stop this show, it's never been relevant.
While CoD may not need defending, it's players (some of them at least) certainly do.
Every time the "kiddies" and "fratties" scream "WIN" and spew bile over all non-CoD players, everyone else screams "FAIL" and spew bile over all CoD players ("an army of millions of frat boys and 13 year old tards" as i belive they are here represented).

This is the core point of this video, that you simply cannot judge other people based on something as arbitrary as their prefered choice of entertainment, and what it mostly comes down to is a generalisation of a large group of people.
Stating that CoD is populated solely by the groups you mention and hence anyone playing it belongs to one or the other sums up roughly like this:
"CoD players are a bunch of screaming punks, all of them, even the ones I have never played against or heard anything of, I am in fact too busy playing "Real" games like Braid to listen to those silly people telling me otherwise"
Or to put it another way:
"Videogames will never have the same value as Film/Books/Opera, people who play videogames are morons, I know this for I am insanely posh and play the cello"

I think this needed to be said, it could be that it has been said somewhere else, but I really don't bother with any other gaming sites at the moment so I wouldn't know.

I have played a few FPS titles in my time, starting around Duke Nukem 3D, and my 2 favourites so far are: Painkiller and Deus Ex.
I have not yet played CoD but i simply cannot bring myself to judge those who do before having run into them
 
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am i the only person who could just turn his brain off and enjoy the COD games?
it's like watching the transformers movie; once i've finished doing stuff and using my brain all day i like to sit down, switch off, and watch a lot of big explosions and simple stories.

bear in mind my favourite movie and games lists tend to be niche cerebral stuff that either no-one's ever heard of or everyone else thinks is crap.
 

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It's like a videogame version of the Shoe Event Horizon.
Is that an obscure reference to the Hitchhikers Guide to The Galaxy I spy. man, in my opinion we don't get enough of those around here. Well Done.

On topic, good episode, a little more serious than your last ones, but I think you missed out the most important reason Call Of Duty isn't a bad game, it's because it is just plain good fun. Sure, sometimes the unbalances and glitches can make it frustrating, but the gameplay (especially multiplayer) is good, engaging adrenaline pumping entertainment.
 

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Couch Radish said:
Well I can't say that Call of Duty is not a absolutely horrible series (I, myself, adored CoD:MW) but I really don't like where Activision is taking the game.

And my problems with the game are (I'm limiting this to the Multiplayer):

1. The players are too bullet-squishy.

I play Team Fortress 2 and Brink, which is probably where this complaint comes from. In the CoD series, if someone is under another person's crosshairs, they're dead. Nevertheless this happens in real life, but it's important to give players a chance to fight back if they're ambushed.

So in CoD, no one really bothers to venture out in groups, because three bullets to the leg can kill you. So people usually just sit in a corner, waiting for some unlucky sort to pass by.

2. No sense of teamwork.

I never get a feeling of teamwork in CoD games. People always seem to go on their own, because there's no real way of defending your team-mates because of how easily they die (See #1)

3. Everyone looks the same.

There's no real differentiating looks between enemies and allies alike. The classes in TF2 are all easily recognizable, as you're near always able to tell what weapon they have and what team they're on (classic red/blue contrast). I can never see this in CoD games.

4. Health regeneration.

Yep, this little nugget again. Another problem with the lack of team-work is this. Medics on multiplayer games are always important, and games winning or losing can be determined by Medics. People will protect them, making an objective for both teams, helping ensure team-work.

But when you can just sit in a corner, suck your thumb for 4 seconds, and grow both your legs back, this can deter team-work and have people go own their own, not needing anyone's help.

While I'm slightly okay with it in single-player games (begrudgingly so), multiplayer games never work with health regen.
Luckily each issue you named is clear in the battlefield bad company games

So

Ehm

[sub] guys I don't know what to do now!
you tell 'm to clap
Like this?
yeah...no but nevermind[/sub]
There are Medics in BC2
Squads create a heavy sense of teamwork
People look different based on their class and faction
Players don't go down nearly as fast as they do in CoD
 

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I don't dwell much in the online fps gaming community, so I'm a bit disconnected, but I don't see as much "COD SUCKS!" as seems to be inferred here. But lets tackle things one point at a time.

As for my personal opinion, I think COD was a good game, at least mechanically and entertainment value-wise, my problem is its almost Madden-like spawn. COD 4 worked great, but then we got Modern Warfare 2 and Black ops, games which, for me, look almost incredibly identical. I can't imagine people buying these games for the single player campaigns, so I tend to look at them as $60 multi-player updates. In that regard, if people are repulsed by $15 map packs, why are $60 Map, gun, and slight graphical changes more acceptable?

In terms of the community, whenever a game gets big, some percentage of its community are going to be loud, annoying jerks. The FPS community has never exactly been stellar, and this game doesn't revolutionize people's attitudes. But in fairness, no, it isn't polite to start judging people just because they play it. But it starts creating a small preconception in my mind, much the same that I look at people who buy yearly sports games and wonder what small hint of madness exists about them to cause that compulsion.

As for the Perks, and style of gameplay? I think my favorite FPS ever was still Counter-Strike. There were no guns around the map, you picked your own at the start of each round, and there were no perks to make one player different than another. While I'm not writing off perks, or anything like that, I'm just citing a game that had a method of play that I found really enjoyable.

Take my opinions for what they are though, because console communities and FPS's (specifically, online competitive fpsing) have rarely been my particular flavor of gaming.
 

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the people that hate CoD, are the people that suck at CoD.

although as someone mentioned before, there are other things that might make you hate it, like poor customer service.

as for the 'outrageous DLC prices' case, if you cant afford it, dont buy it, trust me it doesnt take anything away from your experience, i dont buy ANY CoD DLC anymore.

Art Axiv said:
COD didn't invent unlockables in FPS - Battlefield franchise did. Much earlier.
but CoD made it famous, dont you see? thats what he was saying.
 

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Well I was expecting improvements on the show, even went back to the Jimquisition youtube days and nothing really changed thus far.
Guess I haveto call quits on this.
 

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Never did like the Call of Duty games, particularly Modern Warfare, but only because I thought it emulated Tom Clancy and military fetishism a bit too much for my tastes (and the gameplay seemed pretty standard of post-Halo shooters to me), and only gained a slight appreciation of it in hindsight when thinking about the little touches (the Marine who puts on a hip-hop CD after you capture the broadcasting tower, the nuke level, etc.). Also never tried it's multiplayer, but that skill system does sound a bit more interesting than "Quick, find the RPG" that you get in most shooters.
 

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Lol why are you getting angry at CoD because other game studios are copying it? How does that make any sense at all?

I only play CoD:WaW really, because it's the one that I have. Although I can imagine easy ways of improving it, as others are copying CoD therefore making CoD the pioneer on this front i'd say they're doing well.
This was my thought as well. If people are so influenced by your work that they create things that are very similar, doesn't that mean it's pretty good? Tons of bands tried to be as awesome as the Beatles, does that mean the Beatles are shit?
 

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Dear Jim Sterling:

Thank. You.

I had gotten to the stage where I was almost afraid of openly expressing a fondness for CoD on this site as well as others on the same level as a homosexual coming out to his staunchly Catholic parents. TBF I have heard plenty of perfectly reasonable reasons for disliking it, (mind you, most of those are connected to Activision's handling of the series, which you did pick up on), but there certainly is no shortage of the more shitty breeds of argument.

I do however, think that in regards to single player WaW, MW2, and BO all sky-dived in quality when compared with the first MW, and as for multi-player I prefer Halo's way of doing things, but just because Call of Duty isn't the gaming version of the Mona Lisa doesn't mean that it isn't fun and that everyone who plays it is a drooling retard.
 

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Godammit Jim, I love you more with every jab you take at this community of twatdonkeys.

Seriously its like he's trolling, only he makes good points, which makes said twatdonkeys even more infuriated.

In all seriousness though, people dislike being told what they enjoy is shit. This is why the elitists in the Escapist community (and other sites I won't mention) like to flock around and form circle-jerks around what is accepted as their favorite titles. Likewise, when they are told to dislike something by the hivemind, they will line up to defecate on said thing without thought.
I was thinking this as well lol, Jim seems to be masterfully trolling the escapist.
 

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Art Axiv said:
COD didn't invent unlockables in FPS - Battlefield franchise did. Much earlier.
but CoD made it famous, dont you see? thats what he was saying.
Because Battlefield games are not popular.. and no, unlockables can't be why CoD is successful - if anything its the whole package it serves the gamer. I have to say Modern Warfare 2 was executed excellently.
 

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He seems awfully but sore over this.
I would too if I was insulted just because of my preferences in video games.

Seriously, CoD Lover? What kind of forums have you been on Jim? Still, nice video. You're starting to rub off on me a bit.
 

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I see your point here but I still can't stand CoD for its' mimicking of Madden. MW1 was an amazing game because it broke from the model of every shooter game being about WWII and had a decent story. MW2 was an overblown roster update and every CoD has been the same since.

I think that the FPS has benefited from CoD but needs to strike a balance between the more balanced weapons of CoD and the more fun and differentiated weapons of Halo.
 

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Jim, your humor is not effortless. Just look at you - you're donning a fucking lady's makeup to offend people. That is trying too hard. And I'm not even going into you over-emphasizing every point you're trying to bring across.

Yahtzee brings forward issues not one is critical enough to ***** about while actually being funny. Bob has an obscene amount of knowledge on archaic pop cultural phenomenon. The Extra Credits folks actually make constructive criticism on the game industry. You... are just reiterating what we know already, while painting all those folks who tend to dislike the franchise with the same stereotype (I, for example, dislike the last 2 CoD sequels because the ports were utter shit on the PC). And it doesn't help your credibility when you say that you got into online gaming only after CoD4, or saying BlOps has a good narrative while stating in your review that The Witcher 2's story was dull.

I really don't see a niche for you here.
 

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Jim, your humor is not effortless. Just look at you - you're donning a fucking lady's makeup to offend people. That is trying too hard. And I'm not even going into you over-emphasizing every point you're trying to bring across.

Yahtzee brings forward issues not one is critical enough to ***** about while actually being funny. Bob has an obscene amount of knowledge on archaic pop cultural phenomenon. The Extra Credits folks actually make constructive criticism on the game industry. You... are just reiterating what we know already, while painting all those folks who tend to dislike the franchise with the same stereotype (I, for example, dislike the last 2 CoD sequels because the ports were utter shit on the PC). And it doesn't help your credibility when you say that you got into online gaming only after CoD4.

I really don't see a niche for you here.
Quoted for truth. I have been refusing to watch this show since the first penis fest episode.
 

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I've only played Modern Warfare 2 and I'm not particularly a fan of the series in general.

I don't think they're terrible games though (although possibly a little creatively uninteresting). To give credit where it's due - the snow level early on in MW2 was fantastic to experience and the co-op missions are great fun to play with friends.
 

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Well Jim ill tell it like it is bro.. when CoD4 come out i was like huh cool till i played the hardcore mode that mode is smashed you get sand in your eyes and you die.. you stub your toe and you die a bee fly's in and stings you and u die.. and it don't take a long time to unlock things like in BF2 or BF;BC2 you can hit 50 in less then a week same with [email protected] black ops this to me what makes the game uncool and bad to me CoD2 was the best now its nothing to me at all.

BF3 will kill mw3 end of Story
 

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Right the CoD series itself used to be a good reliable base of games that would generally be good without to much of oa problem and the people of its original fan base would happily look forward to the next one without any hesitation or doubt or growing sense of boredom.

Since CoD4 this has changed because it is now just a complete clusterfuck with perks that are simply stupid due to their very nature (last stand, martyrdome etc) that offer shite players a rediculous unfair advantage while also allowing people with skill be outmatched by a complete asstard at the game with the P90, FAMAS or its equivalent due to how unbalanced the weapons/perks/killstreaks are.

However on the opposite of end of the spectrum it allows people who are also reasonably good at the game to dominate everyone on the field without any effort because of the perks effectively fucking over everyone in the middle ground who play the game enough to be better then half but not enough to be considered a "pro" at the game. What i mean by this is killstreaks such as the AC-130 which is just a free get 10 kills now allowing them if they're careful enough to dominate everyone in the field again and lock down an entire team. I have seen a vid of a team litterally run out dominate the enemy team and then lock them down in spawns (due to non random spawn placements and poor map design) with the use of AC-130's attack choppers and airstrikes/sentry guns. I think the game ended on a like 200-300 kills on one side and 5 on the other.

Right thats general balance out of the way now onto marketing. Again CoD was at its pinacle at 4 (some claim 2 but i personally don't like bolt action unless im sniping which i rarely do and i say this because everything else at top tier for this game was unviable) because it released map packs for free and there wasn't any of this bullshit map packs where if you didn't buy them it would forcibly kick you out of the lobby for not having them. This is the worst kind of marketing for add-ons (don't get me wrong developers can develop extra stuff for a game and have my approval as long as its big enough by itself to warrant a price like shivering isles for oblivion and not like the horse armour in the same game) as its the equivalent of the DRM for assassins creed and some other ubisoft games where they required that you have a permanent internet connection to their servers to keep a constant verification and if you didn't have it they would shut down your game and also they would stop you from playing your game if their servers went down. This is money grabbing at its lowest and is a mark of a shite series.

Next is the inability of Activision to learn that Treyarch was a shite company to develop the CoD series because if you look at theur history (CoD 3, CoD 5 and BLOPS) CoD 3 was widely regarded to be the worst out of the series out of general consensus. CoD 5 had a bit of a bad draw because it came after 4 and so was being compared to at what that time was considered gold dust to new/casual/regular/hardcore gamers but the things that its most remebered for is the side game that came with it i.e. the Zombie mode. This is like Tekken Tag being remembered for its bowling simulator as it shows how crap the rest of the game was because even the zombie mode in that was still a bit crap compared to other survival action games of that time such as left 4 dead and hell even resident evil. For BLOPS i have to say this is the best of the series they have created so far as it seems they have made an attempt at balance and decent maps and a passible story line for the single player it still shit though when compared to infinity wards earlier creations when put into context for that era.

Now my last part of my rant is just on one particular dick move pulled not by Treyarch because they weren't dicks (they are annoying for having continued the series) they are just bad game developers. It was in MW2 when they pulled Dedicated servers in favour of P2P connections. This was a terrible idea it completely and utterly alienated the remnents of the hardcore gaming community which is one of the core playerbases they had from CoD's 1-5 since they could no longer play tournaments with mods that allowed balance on servers that they know are reliable(i.e. removing the more bullshit perks while also limiting the amounts of snipers and also removing weapons that are complete and utter bullshit such as the P90 (a weapon with no recoil a fucking ace iron sight massive fire rate and also reasonable damage. It could be used to out snipe snipers easily and out gun assault rifles at mid range))
It also inhibited the communities by not allowing people to join a server they want to knowing who will be on and becoming friends with people through general recognition rather then just skill level and whether they come off as a dick or not at first through speaking. I joined my clan through joining a server and playing on it a lot because i liked their style of play (i played 2142 when i joined them). Removing dedicated servers prevents all of this and will generally lower everyones enjoyment. Also the lack of admins makes it impossible to remove people on demand when you know they are hacking rather then just having to wait for everyone to bother voting against them after they have been killed several times with headshots with a pistol from half way across the map.

Also the general alienation of their original playerbase by community managers and higher ups within infinity ward effectively destroyed their reputation as a games company for people who play games more then once a week and also created a trend for other games companies to follow which is just fucking stupid and hte only games company that seems to be trying to break it is stunningly enough is EA with BF3 being developed by DICE (despite their CoD clone called BFBC:2 which was stunningly shit). As this game promotes teamwork and squading up with others for success rather then becoming rambo and dying constantly and having instant respawns and regenerating red jam.

So to sum it all up it isn't CoD becoming so big that gave it such a bad reputation within the gaming community its them becoming big then leaving a massive fuck you in the form of MW2 and continued shiteness ever since CoD4 plus bad handeling of general PR. All I can say is that there was a reason why there was a boycott of Activision products in general now because of this (i personally don't follow that but i still refuse to buy all CoD's now out of principle) and although this doesn't dent a game like CoD which is so engrossed in its part time player base that it doesn't matter if the more serious gamers do so since they are out numbered. Whether i or you like it or not (i hate it) its simple business go for the larger market if possible.

One last thing though Some of you if you are still bothering to read this might have noticed that I didn't mention anything about the communities of each platform and their regard for this game. I didn't because one generalising people based on what games they play isn't a good basis to start from and two, i know that most PC gamers who have played CoD excessivly in the competative scene with PROMOD in CoD4 (and generally have a better idea of how the game works and how it should be balanced then the average player) and before (like me who was a low-mid player on the competative scene which means i could generally join any pub game and rape face up to the top of the leaderboard without any problems) will have stopped playing it for general disdain and off handed manner to us presented by Activision and lack of balance and dedi servers and other things i have mentioned above.
 

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I agree with you, Jim, except for one statement:

I dislike the advantages (more perks, weapons, etc.) an experienced player has. You covered this in the video and stated that it was not any different than an experienced player in i.e. Quake. I disagree.

A player (let's call him Dave) that gets wrecked in Quake because of him not knowing where the weapons are is going to want to change that by, for example, looking it up on the internet. If Dave still gets wrecked after that, it is the experience of the better player that gives him the advantage over Dave.

If Dave played Call of Duty, weapon spawn locations don't matter too much (except for some FFA gametypes). Of course, Dave gets wrecked. But this time he can't do anything about that because the advantages of the other players are not (only) based on knowledge (weapon spawns) and game experience, but gametime, too. Sure, if Dave is bad at FPSs he gets wrecked no matter what, but Perks/Weapons/Killstreaks are something that he can't do anything about even if he is decent at gaming.

I hope you get my point.

mfG diiebane

EDIT: Also, I don't buy in the hatred towards younger gamers. I'm sure most of us have played games before we were legally allowed to. What gives us the right to deny those players the game? People who bash little kids for playing CoD (and other games) are most likely Hypocrits.
Thats why the developers made those preexisting classes. And they are pretty good, They wont suit your playstyle exactly but they are effective enough to kick some ass. And while kicking some you unlock guns and perks. And kick more ass in the game. Thats what cod 4 did good. MW2 did it even better. And Blops is somewhere in between.

And the reason why kids are so annoying ingame is because they are kids. And kids can be very annoying when something goes wrong according to them. Ask my 3 little brothers about that anyway. Nothing beats seeing your 12yearold brother rage on minecraft because of the creepers :D
 

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The voice-overs were good and I agree. The over-acting did not make me laugh, but made me want to claw my eyes out.
 

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Well, there goes the hope that this would be a good series.
Jim, people don't hate Modern Warfare because it's cool, or because it's not artsy, and people don't have a bigoted hatred for anyone who has ever played CoD, as your straw man opponent caricature seems to suggest. My reasons for hating it (based on playing CoD BlOps, which you defended in the video)
* The game play itself ranges from complete shit, in levels where you literally do not need to fire a shot, to pretty bland shooting.
* The game seems downright lazy, with some pretty bad dialog and animations/effects consistently sucking.
* The plot is horrendously idiotic considering that it's supposed to be set in an actual time period.
* The game, at many points, takes control away from the character, either by making them walk slowly, to an area, or taking away certain guns, for almost no reason at all.

As for multiplayer, I can play any of the myriad of shooters out there for that.

Have fun with the series guys, unless a title is provocative enough to grab my attention, I think I'm going to jump ship with this.
 
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Jim Sterling said:
Defending Call of Duty

Very much how men and women of the military defend this nation's freedom overseas, Jim Sterling defends Call of Duty. In many ways, Sterling's cause is more righteous and noble than anything a soldier has ever, ever done.

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I know that your statements in the description are not meant to be taken seriously and are supposed to be funny, but that statement is very offensive to servicemen and women everywhere. I understand you are just trying to be funny, but really try not to present yourself as such a douchebag. Also, was the Osama thing supposed to be a joke? 'Cause I sure as hell didn't get it.
 

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Only problems I've had with CoD (MW more so than Blk ops) is the fact that a guy with a knife can face off and win against a guy with a AK47 and that it's far more effective to "spray and pray" than to line up a proper shot.
 

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I don't like the CoD multiplayer because i don't find it fun myself. It is not my style of game. Even though I do like fps games mostly, Call of Duty isn't my style. I prefer more arcady fps games.

But just because I don't like it doesn't mean it is bad. I could give reasons why it is unorigional and bland though. Environments that are uninspired. Gameplay that rewards camping. Rewarding time invested with advantages over other players. Killstreaks (one of the stupidest things out there in my opinion)Lack of innovation.

I do think the single player is fun though. I liked the psychological part about Black Ops
 

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I've played cod2-cod mw, I use to like them but im just bored. I play BC2 now and like to be an engineer. I have a task to do while shooting people. Thats so much more fun for me.

I tried black ops single player and told my friend that I was sick of just following some guy while he yells at me. I re played brothers in arms so i could be the one yelling.
 

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That video really made me think about stoping hating COD fans, the only COD fans I know are those assholes at my school who only play cod and say things like galo and cod is the only good game.
 

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While CoD may not need defending, it's players (some of them at least) certainly do.
Every time the "kiddies" and "fratties" scream "WIN" and spew bile over all non-CoD players, everyone else screams "FAIL" and spew bile over all CoD players ("an army of millions of frat boys and 13 year old tards" as i belive they are here represented).

This is the core point of this video, that you simply cannot judge other people based on something as arbitrary as their prefered choice of entertainment, and what it mostly comes down to is a generalisation of a large group of people.
But by saying that all those people who dislike CoD are (as he puts rather derogatorily) 'artsy fartsy types' or ' just going with the trend', isn't he making broad generalized stereotypes himself? For example, as I already mentioned, I believe CoD doesn't deserve to be the best-selling game on the PC as the last 2 sequels were very poor unoptimized ports. How do I fall into any of his preset camps?

Fact is, Jim's just trolling.
 

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TF2 was a great class based shooter and it still is...You do know hats and microtransactions were added recently right?
 

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Jim, your humor is not effortless. Just look at you - you're donning a fucking lady's makeup to offend people. That is trying too hard. And I'm not even going into you over-emphasizing every point you're trying to bring across.

Yahtzee brings forward issues not one is critical enough to ***** about while actually being funny. Bob has an obscene amount of knowledge on archaic pop cultural phenomenon. The Extra Credits folks actually make constructive criticism on the game industry. You... are just reiterating what we know already, while painting all those folks who tend to dislike the franchise with the same stereotype (I, for example, dislike the last 2 CoD sequels because the ports were utter shit on the PC). And it doesn't help your credibility when you say that you got into online gaming only after CoD4.

I really don't see a niche for you here.
Quoted for truth. I have been refusing to watch this show since the first penis fest episode.
Then why bother posting here if you don't watch the show? Just trying to ruin the fun for everyone else, eh? There are names for people that do that....

I don't want to name names here, as I hear it is against the rules now... but I really want to know why you'd want to bash something you don't watch?
 

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You said the CoD single player has "a well paced narrative"

I'd like to know the name of your dealer because he's got stronger stuff than what I'm using.

Also (despite my goofy hat and stupid accent) giving veteran players better weapons and better perks along with the natural skill development they get from having played the game for longer than you does alienate new players. It is truly shocking that you think it doesn't.
 

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You know what....... I think I finally get this show. Got to be honest wasn't a fan to begin with but this episode made sense and gave me a few chuckles along the way, the quality of each episode is steadily impoving too. Sure the productions very rough around the edges but that will get better in time too.

So finally its done, I'm convinced that Jims here to say and actually suprisingly pleased about it. Now that thats all sorted maybe so could start discussing the valid points he's making instead of the shows existence? Great work Jim.
 

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sumanoskae said:
As a game, I don't think CoD is bad at all, it's just overrated. The problem I see with CoD is that it's approaching monopoly status. At this point, the release date of a game can literally be dominated by weather or not CoD is releasing a sequel that year.

CoD is like a sports franchise, and because of it, FPS's dominate the market. They've become the easiest and most profitable games to make, thus publishers and producers are more reluctant to back games outside of that genre.

A similar issue arises with Gears of War, there are loads of games that seem to default to 3rd person cover shooting in place of an original gameplay model.

Take Kane and Lynch or Army of Two for instance, two games that appear to have barely one original though under their belt, but were both released presumably on the grounds that they were kinda like GoW, meanwhile, talented people with great ides for games are stumped because they've never had dinner with Cliff B.
Hmmm you did make a good point on CoD's market impact, but then again so did Jim.

Off topic though: Also time to admit my little guilty pleasure. I rather liked Army of Two, both of them in fact. I liked how there was a shooter where having a partner mattered and I couldn't just solo everything. Plus I've always had an awesome relationship with my little brother, and Army of Two was the only shooter at the time where it felt like the two main characters actually cared and relied upon eachother. Just my two cents.
I basically agree with Jim about CoD from a pure entertainment standpoint, and yes, ,people do get way to anal about who likes what. I'm just saying, that like all overrated phenomenons and fads, CoD's existence in it's current form is a hindrance to the industry, not an asset.

From a personal standpoint, it's just kind of annoying to see people spend the only spare $60 they have on CoD, when there are so many other games that they'd find real artistic beauty and meaning in. And no, I'm not saying that based solely on other games being better in my opinion, these are people I know, I know they'd appreciate these games because I've seen them appreciate other games like them in the past, before they started blowing all their money on CoD.

It's also annoying because people will play it and then assume that games never get any better. It's frustrating to really hit it off with someone who seems really interested in game design and then ask them what kinds of games they take inspiration from, and then say "I'm like, level 9000 in Black Ops! 8D" "Kay, what else do you play" "Uhh, well... Halo is cool and so's Gears of War" "So what do you think the political significance of the nuke scene was in Modern Warfare?" "...Huh?". They aren't bad people, it's just frustrating to have the medium underestimated so much.
 

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And then there are those of us, like for instance me, who just hate playing Cod, don't forget those people.
 

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Lack of innovation
Boring level design
Buggier than most games
Dull and monotonous
Monotonous and dull
Poor level design
Poorly balanced
Not particularly interesting.

This list not only contains everything I dislike about Modern Warfare (not COD, just MW), but it also is those things itself. Meta-dislike.

The game has absolutely no special features, but it has plenty of detractors. It is the archetype of a generic, mediocre game, yet it is extremely popular. The love for the game is far beyond the love for a standard game, and so is the hatred. And rightly so. There are those who never cease to gush about how "great" the game is, so it is only correct that someone is there to point out that, no, in fact, the game isn't a revolution.

If MW is considered to be the defining game of this generation, then it needs to stand up to much harsher criticism than your standard $40 budget game.
 

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I don't always agree with Jim Sterling on what he says, but I have to say I completely agree with this episode. I like CoD, I think it needs a lot of improvements, but I like it, and the people who troll it to no end get on my nerves.
 

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No, I don't hate Cowadooty because it's popular. I hate it because it's casual dumbed down shit. It represents almost everything that is wrong with games these days.

- 4 hour single player campaigns
- A staggering resistance to anything that even rhymes with innovation
- No modding support for us PC gamers
- $15 map packs that usually include 2 recycled maps
- Rapidly regenerating health
- Aim assist
- Multiplayer that encourages camping and discourages teamwork
- Published by Activision

Battlefield 2 came out in 2005 and has tanks, jeeps, helicopters, and jets. Motherfucking JETS. What does Blacks Ops have? A helicopter that you can only get after a kill streak? The world's most polite cricket wouldn't even clap for that.

P.S. Good job on using a straw man for the CoD hate. "hurr we hate it because it's popular". No, we hate it because it sucks for the above stated reasons, and Battlefield is better.

P.S.S. There is a HUGE difference between a player new to Quake, and a player new to Cowadooty. It's the same difference between a level 27 Pikachu and a level 100 Mewtwo.
 

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Mr. Omega said:
You're defending CoD on the Escapist, one of the most sequel-phobic, anti-mainstream, "popular is bad (Unless it's Valve)", indie-snobby sites on the internet... that takes balls.
But of course, you're here too. Are you one of them or a shining exception to the flaws that every other member carries?
 

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Well i posted on all his other videos, so their you go Jim, your slowly creeping up on Movie Bob as my third favorite show ( I just consider both of Bob's shows as one).... But thats behind Extra Credit and the King, Yahtzee.

And to the dude who used a Pokemon reference to describe the difference between Long time Quake players to new players being different then CoD, i think I'm about to stroke out, WTF?
 

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I don't play multiplayer, so my problems are with the DESIGN of the single-player campaign for ALL Call of Duty games.

It always feels like a shooting gallery simulator from way back, mostly due to the infinitely respawning enemies and their brandead AI. There's barely any AI to the enemies to bring any challenge compared to most other shooters (Halo, FEAR). The scripting is always suspect, and the inclusion of allies baffles me when they're not efficient and get in your way. The story is so rushed through so many different characters that I lose interest or investment, a by-product of being an action movie experience.
 

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I don't believe the complaints about better weapons and such, because lets face it in blops the game begins and ends with the famas and 4 began and ended with the m16.

I don't like Blop's progression to close quarter rapid fire weapons, but that's prefrence.

I wonder though how you can defend the story. It's so painfully generic. Granted the nuke scene was impressive, but that was one strong scene in over a half dozen games. The story is painfully obvious to the point where I walked in on my roomate playing blops, watched him play for like 10 minutes one the first few levels then predicted the entire story perfectly.

You can enjoy the story sure, but its nothing special at all.
 

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willing to listen eh? well, then, but first off, one complaint:

"wonderfully paced"

uh, no. constant action is not wonderfully paced. wonderfully paced is MW1's nuke scene, for e.g., not anything that follows in the series.

but anyways, here we go:

COD is not bad because its popular, its popular because its bad. it appeals to those with no want for anything outside simplistic game play. the story mode is sub-par. it is a textbook "we win because we are good because i said so, and they loose because they are bad because they are Russian", without a single challenging thought, or any action beyond shoot faceless bad guy #785. its environments are bland and unforgettable, its has a dull palette, its missions are little more than go from point a to b and not die.

COD is by no means bad, its just meh, and only meh. its not a good game, not a great game, not the best series as some tout. its simply meh. there are better games from 5 years ago, there are better games from 15 years ago, and still as playable, while COD looses its appeal as soon as everyone abandons it for the next installment for a slight graphical update and a few more weapons. on that note, its about as balanced as what your diet must be.

its only goal seems to make what will sell, and what sells does not necessitate quality. McDonalds 'food' sells, and if you are about to tell me that what comes out of that passing for food is quality than you need help.
 

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Call of Duty Modern Warfare, it's sequel, and BLACK OPS all had WELL PACED stories.

Hold the fuck on, Black Ops started with you getting severe elctro shock torture then has you flashback to Cuba where, in the literal span of 7 minutes, someone's hand gets stabbed, a metric ton of police officers show up, and you're already in a car doing a high speed chase with explosions going on around you.

Call of Duty, besides the first Modern Warfare, never did pacing right. The reason the "getting nuked" sequence in the first one was so visceral was because it was treated viscerally. You see a huge explosion, blackout, you then wake up in a completely destroyed city, your dead comrades around you, and crawl and breathe your last breath, watching as a building collapses in the distance. Fade to white.

THAT is narrative pacing. What MW2 and Black Ops does is the typical B-rate action movie story, i.e. make up some generic formulated plot to justify all the explosions and set pieces going on.

If you want TRUE pacing regarding set pieces, go and rent Crysis 2.
 

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People hate on what's popular because they think it makes them sound smarter than others: they're just hipsters. I could hate on Portal because it's so popular, but I'd just be a douche knocking a good game. I liked this episode.

By the way, fuck Portal fans.
 

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Good argument. Honestly I'm not a COD fan cause I found online too hard to get into and I dislike realistic games over all. Still I see the appeal there is in the series but I'm happy with my TF2.
 

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Balobo said:
Mr. Omega said:
You're defending CoD on the Escapist, one of the most sequel-phobic, anti-mainstream, "popular is bad (Unless it's Valve)", indie-snobby sites on the internet... that takes balls.
But of course, you're here too. Are you one of them or a shining exception to the flaws that every other member carries?
Yes, I was generalizing, and yes, I'm a part of the problem in some of those regards, and there are exceptions, but the main point, defending CoD on this site being a bad thing, sure seems to be standing... the rest was just me venting about how I thought (and for the most part have been right about) how the comments were going to go.
 

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He is right. CoD doesn't suck. Blops sucks. CoD has been fun since the very first one I played all those years ago, and Modern Warfare was the perfect iteration of it. It would be nice if the CoD games themselves could move on in a good way, and I don't mean by not having dedicated server support. I don't usually like the Jimquisition, but I really enjoyed this episode because what he said makes perfect sense.
 

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Mr. Omega said:
You're defending CoD on the Escapist, one of the most sequel-phobic, anti-mainstream, "popular is bad (Unless it's Valve)", indie-snobby sites on the internet... that takes balls.

Anyway, the defenses have been pretty good. It's not the best defense, but it's good. And I do not like the whole "CoD players are dicks" mentalities.
you seem to misunderstand escapist opinions they seem open to all plays.. hell loads like halo.
 

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It's nice to see Jim Sterling is getting back on track with these Jimquisitions. Most of the recent ones, specifically starting around the time the first Escapist episode of the show was unveiled, felt like Jim was just showing off that he could say whatever he wanted with or without justification (although he did usually have good enough justification).

As for the actual topic, I never really got into the COD-style multiplayer mostly because I found old-school multiplayer more fun and also because the whole leveling-up scheme just seems like a ploy on the developer's part to make you play the game more. In my opinion, how many hours you rake up in a game's multiplayer should not be because of how much time you put into trying to unlock that explosive crossbow.
 

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Every argument against COD is "hurr durr it's stuupid?"

Wow, Jimbo, you're going to try and talk about ignorance?
 

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Alright, now *actually* argue the valid points instead of the easy to debate points. Someone else on Escapist does that; I'd rather not see another. ' -'