He made a point, it's hidden throughout the whole video though.Ukomba said:
OT: Lovely bit of Satire, thank Jim for Jim.
Jimquisition: Mass Effect 3: A Gay Erotic Love Story
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OT: Lovely bit of Satire, thank Jim for Jim.
As far as the video now knows I was born in 1912 (or was it 1921?).El Luck said:
And I must say in the 100 or so years I've been alive this is the most unusual video I have seen (about video games).
Edit: Also the youngin's here apparently don't understand Satire. I'd hate for any of them to end up watching an authentic Greek play, they'd be mortified.
I've wondered if I'm just not "straight enough" or something. I didn't find this offensive at all, I'm not about to go dating another man, but it just read like a silly satirical sex story.praus said:
Last time gayness mortified me I was in Elementary school.
Do people really not understand that the "age verification" was part of the damn joke??
It wasn't an actual age verification (everybody, including The Escapist know they don't actually work) - it was just setting the scene for what would follow. It had nothing to do with homosexuality or explicit content.
Also, I always read my erotic literature on a PSP. It's just not the same otherwise.
It wasn't an actual age verification (everybody, including The Escapist know they don't actually work) - it was just setting the scene for what would follow. It had nothing to do with homosexuality or explicit content.
Also, I always read my erotic literature on a PSP. It's just not the same otherwise.
Jim is basically a left winger in support of the gay rights movement trying to make a point about the "stupidity" of people objecting to Mass Effect 3 having gay content. His point takes place in his snarky comments about this now being canonical, and Mass Effect "turning everyone who plays it gay" like that's the concern. Sort of insulting the people who would be offended by this through portraying it.Fearzone said:
As much as I agree with a lot of Jim's points, I disagree with this one (obviously) and feel that he is missing the entire bloody point, while getting caught up in his own liberal rhetoric. He's basically argueing in an offhanded way from the perspective of what his "side" wants to believe the other side is like, instead of facing the realities.
Even those who aren't anti-gay men oppose this because it's about entitlement, basically the gay rights movement having gone from a "we have the right to exist and not be actively hunted down and prevented from holding jobs" to a demand that despite their tiny numbers they have an ACTIVE prescence in pretty much everything. The basic arguement being that despite tiny numbers they believe that there should be gay sex in any product that touches on the issue of sex or romance at all.
A logic which if followed means that you can't create anything without every group being represented. A lot of the opposition comes from the insitance of entitlement, rather than the content itself. This is why you didn't see the same kinds of protests over the gay men present in say "Dragon Age: Origins", they were intended to be there by Bioware as that is how those characters turned out. In "Mass Effect" there was no such intention from the creators and the demand is to create such content specifically due to entitlement when it was never intended to be there to begin with. Sort of like calling the makers of a popular TV show racist if they don't introduce mor minority characters and give them substantial screen time, even if it ruins the entire show... this is the sexual version of it.
This is to say nothing of the entire issue of "tolerance vs. acceptance" which I think is be an increasingly nasty battleground in the next few years. Getting past my own personal opinions, this is no longer about as gay supporters would say "not caring about what people consentually do in their own bedroom" it's about people wanting to bring that behavior literally into the homes of those who aren't interested and wave it around. Taken to it's conclusion the demands for inclusion would mean no romantic media without equal amounts of gay content. That's pretty much what we're seeing with the demand for such content in Mass Effect 3. Forcing homosexuality onto people who aren't interested is incidently EXACTLY what the gay rights movement was calling ridicuolous and saying wouldn't happen a decade or so ago.
The bottom line is that like 99.9% of the population are not gay, homosexuals are a very tiny group despite how much noise they make. Nobody is concerned gay media will turn them gay, so much as they find it disgusting not being wired that way. People do not want to be grossed out in order to play a video game, watch a movie, or experience any kind of normal romantic stuff due to the requirement this also be present.
Ultimatly a lot of the opposition over Bioware inserting male homosexuality into these products is because it's being done out of demands of entitlement (as opposed to being intended to be there to begin with), and because while a lot of the gamers might not care what people do on their own time, they really don't want to have people waving homosexuality in their face during their escapism. It doesn't have to be intense gay porno, simply having homosexuals make passes at them and sit around pining and making it clear the option is there is enough.
My basic attitude, my whole opinion about gay-men aside (which can probably be found in some old back posts)is that if Bioware decides to write gay characters, so be it. They obviously don't shy away from this when it fits. As soon as people start demanding they be there out of entitlement, when they weren't intended ot fitting into the intended story balance to begin with, that's just wrong.
The problem with Jim's rant, is that I think he's characterizing the majority of the opposition entirely wrong, which kind of ruins what otherwise might have been a pretty impressive way of making a counter arguement about it's ridiculousness. But then again one of the problems with the left wing and those defending left wing issues is that they tend to create an image of the enemy in their own mind, and beat up straw men, without ever dealing with the actual issues.. and that's one of the reasons the US at least remains so polarized despite the left wing blowing it's own horn and trying to act like it represents a massive, clear majority when it doesn't (which is an issue well beyond this)
EDIT: Holy double wall of text batman, my apologies fellow escapists.
I like the subtleness you've got going, but I'm afraid Jim sterling has just spent 8 minutes bashing strawmen [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWarOnStraw]. Nice little bit of prose there, but it hardly made my Mass Erect. (note to mods: I'm quoting Yahtzee. That allowed?)
I doubt any significant number of people has been upset that playing ME3 will turn them gay. It has more to do with canon, and how Bioware is fudging the canon in favour of political correctness. There are many factors that go into making anything awesome, and it has to just right most of the time; any changes can upset the delicate balance and fans don't approve of change, especially when it's for the sake of mass appeal.
Whether or not an option for homosexuality has any effect on canon (which is already loosely defined for the sake of choice), I don't know, but that is what the fans are REALLY concerned.
Pretending to know the motivations and insecurities of (a large and diverse group) of other people is offensive and reeks of hubris.
Pre-emptive argument 1: Shepard is already gay (see Femshep + Liara romance)
A: Asari don't have gender. They are asexual, and they scramble their offsprings' DNA through psionic connection. Intimacy helps the "father" relax and be more receptive to the psionic intrusion. They only look like females because Bioware wanted to include blue skinned space babes (or they're projecting a personalised attractive image to everyone around them)
I'm also guessing Liara was more interested in Shepard's brain - she is a huge Prothean geek, after all. She technically (by Asari standards) has sex with Shepard at least twice, in public even (though she was defiantly not impressed by your ability to last).
At any rate, that romance option felt like it was tacked on = "here the obligatory sexy blue alien chick, and she's also a huge geek girl. what do you mean it's not sexy?"
Pre-emptive argument 2: Shepard was supposed to be gay (see cut Ashley and Kaidan same-sex romance options)
But it was cut, wasn't it?
At any rate, even the straight romance options don't feel right.
Ashley is a well disciplined Christian (I think), and you can find an email where she clearly disaproves of superior-subordinate hook-ups.
Kaidan is an L2 biotic, which means he constantly gets head-aches and migraines (plus he always seems a bit reclusive. Or is that just me?), and what is more telling is that Alliance starts to recognise L2 users as mentally crippled by the device. Besides, if there is one thing we know about sex, it's that headaches are a big turn-off.
I like the subtleness you've got going, but I'm afraid Jim sterling has just spent 8 minutes bashing strawmen [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWarOnStraw]. Nice little bit of prose there, but it hardly made my Mass Erect. (note to mods: I'm quoting Yahtzee. That allowed?)
I doubt any significant number of people has been upset that playing ME3 will turn them gay. It has more to do with canon, and how Bioware is fudging the canon in favour of political correctness. There are many factors that go into making anything awesome, and it has to just right most of the time; any changes can upset the delicate balance and fans don't approve of change, especially when it's for the sake of mass appeal.
Whether or not an option for homosexuality has any effect on canon (which is already loosely defined for the sake of choice), I don't know, but that is what the fans are REALLY concerned.
Pretending to know the motivations and insecurities of (a large and diverse group) of other people is offensive and reeks of hubris.
Pre-emptive argument 1: Shepard is already gay (see Femshep + Liara romance)
A: Asari don't have gender. They are asexual, and they scramble their offsprings' DNA through psionic connection. Intimacy helps the "father" relax and be more receptive to the psionic intrusion. They only look like females because Bioware wanted to include blue skinned space babes (or they're projecting a personalised attractive image to everyone around them)
I'm also guessing Liara was more interested in Shepard's brain - she is a huge Prothean geek, after all. She technically (by Asari standards) has sex with Shepard at least twice, in public even (though she was defiantly not impressed by your ability to last).
At any rate, that romance option felt like it was tacked on = "here the obligatory sexy blue alien chick, and she's also a huge geek girl. what do you mean it's not sexy?"
Pre-emptive argument 2: Shepard was supposed to be gay (see cut Ashley and Kaidan same-sex romance options)
But it was cut, wasn't it?
At any rate, even the straight romance options don't feel right.
Ashley is a well disciplined Christian (I think), and you can find an email where she clearly disaproves of superior-subordinate hook-ups.
Kaidan is an L2 biotic, which means he constantly gets head-aches and migraines (plus he always seems a bit reclusive. Or is that just me?), and what is more telling is that Alliance starts to recognise L2 users as mentally crippled by the device. Besides, if there is one thing we know about sex, it's that headaches are a big turn-off.
... I'll never look at Shepard the same way... ever...
Thank God for you Jim, you made the shittiest day of the week, the brightest day of the week.
Thank God for you Jim, you made the shittiest day of the week, the brightest day of the week.
Yeah I agree, shit I have to hide my homosexuality IRL because I live in the bible belt..I don't want the escapist to make it feel like its a bad thing tooSyntax Man said:
As for the video, unfortunately I can't watch it on my lunch break, but I'll be checking this out first thing went I get home.
Don't worry, its not due to the homosexuality; its because its essentially erotic satireSandytimeman said:Yeah I agree, shit I have to hide my homosexuality IRL because I live in the bible belt..I don't want the escapist to make it feel like its a bad thing tooSyntax Man said:
As for the video, unfortunately I can't watch it on my lunch break, but I'll be checking this out first thing went I get home.
Apparently slash fiction is what happens when Jim has too much time on his hands. Though I must admit, for someone as onanistic as Jim, you'd expect a more hands-on approach.
Quickly Ubisoft or EA, do something assfuck retarded, so Jim may satisfy his desire to release his white hot rage!
Quickly Ubisoft or EA, do something assfuck retarded, so Jim may satisfy his desire to release his white hot rage!