Jimquisition: Monster Boobs And Plastic Children

GrrWolfie

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"Plastic children" - Desperately grasping for a demonized (rightfully) buzz word that doesn't remotely apply. No one looks at DoA girls and thinks, oh what a well endowed child. Your better than that, that's Fox News territory. These are blatantly not pre-teen or early teen models, maybe mid at a reach, if Japan wants you to see a child in porn you'll know it.

Lets face it, this is interactive soft porn. Are you going to go to a porn studio and rant about how big man parts objectify and enforce untrue information about the average man? This is a fantasy game, it's meant for... ::drum roll::... fantasizing. Reality doesn't belong just as much as when your day dreaming about William Dafoe.

Boob render quality - If you don't like one soft porn mag, buy another or don't buy one at all. Team Ninja doesn't owe you your personal brand of realistic jiggle physics and size. They're attempting to supply a particular type of fantasy to a niche market who enjoys it and they've put their time in to produce it.

I feel this is coming from anger about indoctrinating a ridiculous visual standard, please look at it this way...

Porn is like candy and candy will always be around. It's bad for you but it's fun once in a while and if you become disappointed that all food doesn't taste like candy then sooner or later you'll get hit by the reality bus. This is the natural progression of maturity inherit in all experiences and it doesn't make liking candy wrong. Your problem is with a brand of candy you have no taste for and an assumption that everyone's grasp on reality is extremely fragile, grow up.

P.S. Love all your thought provoking videos! :)
 

Jesse Billingsley

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NinjaDeathSlap said:
DVS BSTrD said:
Being such a crowded sea bound country, you can't blame the Japanese for wanting girls with huge... "tracts of land"
But THIS is a bit much.

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What... the fuck... did I just witness?!

Almost every frame I was thinking 'OK, it's peaked now. This couldn't possibly get any more preposterous.'

and then a pair of tits managed to jiggle their way out of getting hit with a .50cal, I just... I don't even...
You just witnessed High School of the Dead. The show itself is weird and over the top that it makes it awesome.
 
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MatParker116 said:
Those breasts made me feel queasy. Also the sexualisation in HSOTD totally ruins the atmosphere.
Well at least the HOSTD creator flat out said he liked big t*** instead of making excuses like team ninja does. Meh I'm going to disagree with you Jim there just cgi fictional charter and I know breast don't work this way IRL and still find them attractive on a few levels. Hey if you don't that's cool and we all have reasons why >_>
 

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Belated said:
Jimothy Sterling said:
Belated said:
First minute in, and Jim becomes a hypocrite.
"It's okay to have any fetish you want. Except this harmless one about boob physics, because I think it's weird."
Are you kidding me Jim? And I loved you so much.
A) The first part was mostly intended for humor.
B) Even if I'd intended it to be taken at face value, it's not really hypocritical to say that you're for most forms of sexual expression, but find a few unsavory.
C) Seriously, look at those tits. And they're on plastic kids.
D) LOOK AT THEM!
A) Fair enough.
B) Actually in this case, yes it is. It's wrong to rag on people for something they can't help. If it's harming nobody, and it's not a choice, then all you're doing is spreading unwarranted hatred. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.389418-Dead-or-Alive-5-Director-A-Lot-of-Fans-Want-Bigger-Breasts?page=7#15641671]
C) Oh I'm looking at them all right. And don't make me laugh. Those girls aren't kids. You're a kid until you're 13. Then you're a teenager until you're 20. For some reason at some point somebody decided that 18 is the cutoff number for pedophilia. If, God forbid, a 17 or 16 year old girl should blossom early, and you DARE find her attractive, you're somehow a sick person. I don't think I need to explain why this concept is stupid.
D) Still looking. Fetishist pride, baby! We're here, we're weird, get used to it.
B) You're arguing now that it's WRONG. Not that it's hypocritical.
C) They have the faces of porcelain children.
 

GrrWolfie

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Jimothy Sterling said:
C) They have the faces of porcelain children.
Lolipop Chainsaw - Does she look like a child to you to? If you really want to imagine stretch someones age in a direction it's easier to do with plain textures. You see what you want to see. Are you seeing children?
 

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Why are we berating Team Ninja for breast physics of all things when there are far more important issues with TN we could be discussing? Like how NG3 just completely blew? Isn't anyone curious as to WHY that happened. I guess not, because boob physics seem to take bigger precedence over actual video game discussion.
 

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Creating a masturbatory aid where you put huge breasts on children and have them strut around in tiny outfits and suggestive poses under the guise of being a fighting game may not be wrong, technically, but it sure if fucking creeeeeeepy. It's too pathetic to be truly hurtful, though, I think.
 

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Mygaffer said:
I hope they ignore the criticism and release the game they want to. If people don't like then they won't buy the game. Otherwise get your morals out of my video games.

Seriously, you get all up in arms when something like Six Days in Fallujah gets canceled over mainstream criticism or they remove the option to "play as the Taliban". So why do you think you get to impose your morals on this game?

I don't play these games nor do I get off on virtual women. I do however support letting creative people create any legal product they wish and then letting the market decide if it was the right choice or not.

But I guess even Jim Sterling is not above "its ok when I do it".
Uh, what? Jim Sterling isn't enacting congressional legislation to force breast size reduction in fighting games. Team Ninja can release whatever legal game they want, but Jim Sterling is part of the market that gets to decide if it was the right choice, and as a critic in this field, it's his job to criticize video games.

Literally his job.

Also, you may need to watch the video again. At this point, I think it's safe to say that Jim Sterling doesn't even understand the concept of morals (except maybe when it comes to pedophile burglary [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/5342-When-Piracy-Becomes-Theft]).
 

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Look at the old women in Skyrim. Their boobs are as big and firm and pert as those of the young ladies. Boobs don't work like that either. The difference is that The Elder Scrolls series wants to be taken seriously, whereas DOA has always been a boob physics tech demo. It's a similar story with the cameltoe wonderland that is Mass Effect.

DOA is what it is and that's not a problem. What is a problem is that it's representative of the rest of the games industry, which stil has a really hard time with humans in general and women in particlar, both in terms of aesthetics and gameplay. When everyone else is racing ahead, Team Ninja will have to catch up but right now they're just the most blatant/honest developer out there.
 
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It's just DoA. There is a good game under everything Team Ninja does but just wouldn't be a Team Ninja game without it. Every medium has quite frankly ridiculous stuff and I could probably name a good few things but I don't think that is allowed here. It isn't necessarily a good thing but it isn't something that can just be changed about games or any media over night. If you really want to see bad stuff just go to the strange parts of the internet not that I recommend it in fact I'd rather you didn't go there.

To me as people have been putting up a lot of videos of it for some reason DoA is like Highschool of the Dead of fighting games. You don't compare HotD to Walking Dead nor do you compare DoA to I dunno Tekken. That is where I see the problem. There is no Walking Dead to fighting games and if there was I think this would be a much smaller issue. I can't think of a single Fighting game that is mature with normal watershed levels of sexualisation. That is what I see to be the real problem here no alternatives.

One thing I don't agree with is that they look like kids. They are all made to look more or less barely legal and once again not saying that it makes it any better but still a bit of an exaggeration. Also the episode was fun.
 

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Jimothy Sterling said:
FYI, I fully admit that today's episode is ridiculous and pointless. It was, however, incredible fun to record and edit. Hopefully it's fun for you to watch. <3
Yes Jim. :) This video was very entertaining. (I am aware that this statement can be taken in some very bad ways. To those who wish to do so, the only pre-reply I can offer you is; SHUT UP! Unless you were actually very funny.)

However, I don't think it's completely pointless (again; Shut up). As you said, many people do know this already, but few come out to say it on a "public stage". So thanks Jim, and thank God for you. <3
 

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I kind of liked the breasts...then I saw them in motion and noticed the bizarre movements. When Jim gets his inevitable buddy cop film (co-starring Yahtzee and, featuring Bob Chipman as the crooked chief of Police) Adventure Fantasy-Time Willam Defoe is going to be the fan-favorite character. Just like Vinnie Gognitti.

Thank Jim for Jim!
 

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GrrWolfie said:
"Plastic children" - Desperately grasping for a demonized (rightfully) buzz word that doesn't remotely apply. No one looks at DoA girls and thinks, oh what a well endowed child. Your better than that, that's Fox News territory. These are blatantly not pre-teen or early teen models, maybe mid at a reach, if Japan wants you to see a child in porn you'll know it.

Lets face it, this is interactive soft porn. Are you going to go to a porn studio and rant about how big man parts objectify and enforce untrue information about the average man? This is a fantasy game, it's meant for... ::drum roll::... fantasizing. Reality doesn't belong just as much as when your day dreaming about William Dafoe.

Boob render quality - If you don't like one soft porn mag, buy another or don't buy one at all. Team Ninja doesn't owe you your personal brand of realistic jiggle physics and size. They're attempting to supply a particular type of fantasy to a niche market who enjoys it and they've put their time in to produce it.

I feel this is coming from anger about indoctrinating a ridiculous visual standard, please look at it this way...

Porn is like candy and candy will always be around. It's bad for you but it's fun once in a while and if you become disappointed that all food doesn't taste like candy then sooner or later you'll get hit by the reality bus. This is the natural progression of maturity inherit in all experiences and it doesn't make liking candy wrong. Your problem is with a brand of candy you have no taste for and an assumption that everyone's grasp on reality is extremely fragile, grow up.

P.S. Love all your thought provoking videos! :)
Oooh, a voice of reason in this virtual sea of moral panic. I tip my hat off to you good sir.

I completely agree, to each his own. I dont personally find it sexy at all nor am I in the least interested in the DoA-franchise, but I couldn't care less that some people are. The games are being made and obviously there is a market for it, there is a market for porn as well but I'm not going up in arms over that either.

And using children as terminology is just being intellectually dishonest. First of all, children is 1-12 years old, maybe even 13-14 but after that they are teenagers. These are obviously not 10yearolds we are talking about here, so swinging around the "think of the children"-card is just silly.

According to wikipedia, Kasumi is 17 years old, and sure looks older to me atleast. Furthermore, she is a fictional character that is most certainly not portrayed as looking like a child. When you have a fictional character, her age becomes less of how old her creator says she is (he could have called her a 5 year-old, but with that appearance she will still look like an older woman) and more about how she looks. And if the face looks somewhat young, so what? Have you never seen 16-20year olds with young faces? I sure have.

Also worth noting is that while many here like to critize the "culture" aspect, not many realize that they themselves see american culture as a default. Not all countries have 18 as a cutoff-point for when you are allowed sex. Sweden (as prude as we are in other aspects) actually have the cutoff-point at 15 years of age, making the DoA-girls legal by a good margin.

I just want to finish with a small disclaimer, I myself have no interest in DoA, underage girls or huge breasts. I'm just one of those live-and-let-live kind of guys, as long as no one is hurt. Let the market decide what is right and wrong, what is tasteful and what is not. Not some arbitrary morality that demonizes things that you do not like but absolutely not the things you DO like.

Captcha: one small step for man - if only...
 

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Andy of Comix Inc said:
These are the kind of issues I'd like to see being dug much deeper into. The Dead or Alive series creeps a lot of people out, but it can't just be the alien breasts. There's something more to it - something sinister - something about the way Team Ninja treats women in their games in general. It's beyond aesthetic, it's beyond fetishization and sexualization, there's something in the way they do it that stinks. In fact, I'd condone someone writing an essay on this subject.

There's something very, very wrong with Team Ninja.

josh4president said:
Could be worse

They could be those rigid fake breasts that do not move no matter what you do to them

You know, the ones that seem to follow you around the room no matter where you go
Are you sure they're not your own?
Side note: is Team Ninja involved in the Soul Calibur series too? I'm a straight, red-blooded man, but even I find the level of sexualization in those games' women almost insulting and blatantly pandering. Their ads seem to say "BOOBS! Now that we have your attention, buy our game featuring garish costumes on comically unproportioned women and laughably oversized weapons that don't draw a drop of blood! Because unlike SOME Game developers, we're not savages!"