Jimquisition: Monster Boobs And Plastic Children

[LobsterFeng]

Pff, you all have obviously NOT seen enough hentai to know what Japanese mean by HUGE tits. Those gals in DoA5? Nah, 'bout average hentai teens to be gangbanged by tentacled aliens.

THIS is what they mean by BIG:
http://www.sailormoonhentaiworld.com/images/hentai--aino-minako--bishoujo-senshi-sailor-moon--blonde-hair--blue-eyes--bow--breast-squeeze--breasts--castella--choker--earrings--hair-bow--huge-breasts--jewelry--long-hair--open-mouth--sailor-venus--smile--solo.jpg
Notice that each breast is "only" as big as the girl head.

And this is what they mean by HUGE.
http://xxxbunker.com/hentai_blonde_with_massive_tits_gets_screwed.jpg
And here each breast is about as big as the girls torso.

I feel kinda ashamed now and I don't even like huge tits. I prefer petite girls!

It's funny, I see people get defensive about these things and say stuff like "It's bad to generalize that all Japanese media is like that." But it's hard not to when it seems to pop up in almost all anime and such.

Take One Piece for example. It's the most popular anime/manga in Japan right now (for good reasons, it really is quite good) but even One Piece gives its female characters ridiculous breast sizes.

I mean look at the character Nami for example:

Spoiler: You can clearly see her breasts getting progressively larger every season

...This is all for educational purposes of course...

 

[wildpeaks]

*wibble wibble wibble wibble wibble*

This.

The boobs in DOA though, yeah no... I didn't enjoy that. I was captivated by their movement sure, but the entire time I was thinking "BOOBS DON'T MOVE LIKE THAT!!!!"

Well it's supposed to simulate invisible hands moving them, that's why they move more than "naturally". And as an owner of similar sized attributes, the movement doesn't seem that weird to me if you take into account the pad simulating hands producing the movement.

 

[Andy of Comix Inc]

These are the kind of issues I'd like to see being dug much deeper into. The Dead or Alive series creeps a lot of people out, but it can't just be the alien breasts. There's something more to it - something sinister - something about the way Team Ninja treats women in their games in general. It's beyond aesthetic, it's beyond fetishization and sexualization, there's something in the way they do it that stinks. In fact, I'd condone someone writing an essay on this subject.

There's something very, very wrong with Team Ninja.

As the Game Overthinker stated in "I heart Bayanetta" (episode 32) the head to body proportions of the "woman" in _Dead and Alive_ are for a lack of a better term "off" so you are already going into the Uncanny Valley. Throw in the breast physics and you are on the bullet train to Uncanny Valley Central.

To be fair to Team Ninja take a good hard look at nearly any adult female character that comes out of Japan and you will see the huge tracks of land on them. Heck even Ranma in his female form is sporting a C to D. The running gag through out the Slayers anime series and prequels is that Lina Inverse has small breasts and blows her top (followed by much of the landscape) when somebody points this out.


Team Ninja is a symptom of a much larger problem and it is not just in Japan either. Pick up about any American comic book and you quickly run into what is jokingly call the helium breast implant. Australia even has a law on the books forbidding woman with breasts "too small" from being shown nude under the guise of it supporting under age porn; I guess Baum was right--the Scarecrow (man without a brain) is truly ruling Oz (nickname for Australia).

The problem is not with Team Ninja but with our own messed up in the head attitudes regarding sexuality.

Oh god, I so agree with this. I was replaying Batman: Arkham City and I was really enjoying the male characters and the depth of their mental unrest and the way they reacted and played off each other. Then female characters walked in with giant boobs and ditzy questions like "WAAT'S GOIN ON BAATMAAAAN??!!" ...I think it could just be Paul Dini being the head writer, but it's like... how could you screw up doing women so much? Especially in a game this good - with characterization this detailed for the male characters - how did they manage to barely match it with ANY of the female villains or allies? It's really... really... weird.

Not. Not weird. Wrong. <link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVdEINfm7H4>It's wruung.

 

[Gigano]

...so Team Ninja should devote more resources to make realistic breasts?

Guess they're OK with that.

 

[Lord_Gremlin]

I never thought it's a big deal. Really. That said, I've always adored Japanese culture.

And yeah, those don't look or move like real tits, but that's the thing that makes it funny.

 

[Nikolaz72]

I never understood the "children" part of the insults to DoA.

Apparently people don't realize the youngest female character in the game is 16 (Ayane), which is perfectly acceptable (and legal) in Japan.

Thats not a child.

Applying a number to a character does not automatically make them that age in the eyes of the viewer.

Our perception of age is based upon appearance, and if all the characters appear younger than they actually are, and are being shown off in a sexual way.


It's just a bit odd really.

Not directly saying "They're kids", but, I'm just telling you how people could see it that way.

Maybe its something to do with Japan? I had a former classmate who was Korean, she looked around 13 even though she was 17. Even when I met her earlier last week (after 3 years) she still looked freakishly young. And judging by some short 10sec japaneese advertisements still stuck in some ripped animevideo's on sites I frequent... thats a rather normal thing for Japan.

Which is, I think (if you remain optimistic) what he meant by 'this is what we do in our culture' a lot of their girls look freakishly young. Or rather, maybe not to them but to us. And as such we see the characters younger than they might appear to the Japaneese viewer..

for the record I've never played dead or alive, so all this stuff is lost on me. I thought it was a tennis-game truth be told.

Although all this is lost when you consider that they marketed this game mainly to a western audience.

 

[The Lugz]

I have only found jiggle physics interesting once. I first heard of the notion when playing Aggressive Inline (such an odd relic from my past). I picked a female character and played for about 5 minutes, laughing with my friends the entire time... then, the fun was over.

Also, having never played DOA or been exposed to their cut scenes for more than short promos, I'm actually shocked at how comical and unrealistic the breasts are. Creepy stuff.

i downloaded a skyrim mod that added 'body physics' half the time it didn't work but the rest of the time the breasts, asses and hair of all the females jiggled so-much they bent the Armour textures and looked like they'd cause majour whiplash..
the problem is they have to add bones or meshes to the body and animate them because if they wanted actual fluid dynamics it would break your computer
a degree of subtlety and force falloff would probably help, but i'm no code monkey so ill leave that to the experts

it's simply another example of why they need to add jiggle physics, and physics in general
because we aren't going to get good, consistent physics in games until developers learn that physics is as essential as a floor texture or a character model or any gameplay mechanic

it's the same progression as we have from two dots on a screen that bump into each-other to fully 3d characters that can interact with such detail you can climb over someone and use them as a makeshift ladder to get to an area of a game you couldn't otherwise
( real example, witty wizzard's saints row play-through )

we shouldn't even bother mocking jiggle physics, we should embrace them and then demand they be better and consistent ( and in some cases tasteful )
it's the only way to move gaming forward

 

[Warachia]

"They didn't cause the holocaust, they didn't kill anyone and they didn't cause an uproar among thousands of people." Who the hell said they did? Why the hell did you bring this up? What point could you have possibly been making that you would need this type of comparison? The point that they do need to take responsibility for is they need to look at faults in the game, and admit that it was their fault, not the audience's fault that it's there.

Saying that they "need to take responsibility" for something implies that they did something wrong, which they didn't. Their audience seems quite happy with their games and doesn't seem to regard it as a fault. I am not sure what fault you want them to admit to?
There were 11 different "Dead or Alive" titles since 1996 according to Wikipedia (not including additional editions, DLC etc.) and the series seems to still be going strong.

Maybe the "fault" is with the audience of people not buying the game, but demanding it to change so it caters to them or doesn't "offend" them?

I was explaining the persons position, I have no idea what faults there are in the games as I have never played them, but saying "the games weren't made for you" leaves a bad taste in my mouth, it reminds me of those people who defend games like Dark Souls or the developer who defended Amy and claimed we didn't "get" the game, and that they were good games, and we were the ones terrible at them.

Aside from that you didn't answer any of the questions I asked you.

I imagine films made in the US that would be offensive in other countries are simply not shown in other countries, or they are altered.

You would imagine wrong, you are also on the Internet, which people have access to worldwide (well, mostly).

My mistake then, in that case I can't defend them.

Then you are bringing up the story of the other film, WHY are you blaming the person who made the video and not the murderers? WHY are you lumping people in this comments section in with that trailer? It is not hypocrisy to demand a change to something if you are the market and they are trying to get you to buy their product, NOBODY before you brought up that trailer, it would only be hypocrisy if they defend that trailer, and then agree with Jim.

Well, gee, thanks for (somewhat, cursory) getting my point. Why are people blaming Team Ninja exactly and what for? Were there great boob-outrage riots somewhere that I missed? And how does the "culture defense" not apply for them (yes, Japanese culture is different from American/European one), but whenever the US does something which pisses off an entire culture and a lot of people are taking a lot more serious it does? (Example: YOU and the first sentence you said)

People blame Team Ninja for putting giant boobs on characters they think are too young to have them, or they think the boobs themselves are too big, that is blaming a designer for something the designer directly DID, not blaming the designer for something the designer inadvertently CAUSED.
Please don't respond to me as if those are points I am trying to make, I am not, as I already stated, I am not a fan of the series, and don't buy their games, though I don't think the culture defence applies and here's why, they make no effort to explain how or why the culture is different, and I don't expect them to give a full course or anything, but even having footnotes or something in the manual would be better than nothing.
Also, I'm Canadian, you don't need to be an American to get pissed off at your first statement (which I still have no idea why you wrote that).

 

[TheOrb]

*wibble wibble wibble wibble wibble*

Jelly on a plate!
Ah, I remember that when I wasa kid.

 

[surg3n]

Ohh for fuck sake Jim, grow a sense of humour.
Nobody takes Dead or Alive characters seriously. And as for realism, well some girls do actually have breasts that big, the chances are that everyone here knows someone with breasts that big - and if not, go look up Misshannahminx, and tell me she would look out of place in that game.

But, the reason why I'm posting, is to show some disdain at the tired old pro-feminist stalwart comment... In shome culchurs, them mutilate womens varginazzzz... durrr....

Every fricken thread about this stuff, someone mentions that, as if we don't know and need some hipster fucktard to point it out.

Here's a question for you... if female genital mutilation is so horrific, how come circumcision is widely accepted and performed. Isn't it the same thing? - How come genital mutilation is acceptable for boys, but horrific for girls? - is our society really that fucking shallow. Stop putting female genital mutilations on a pedestal as mankinds worst atrocity, because the fact that doing it to a male is somehow reason enough for a party, this silver bullet of sexist debate is so fricken sexist and obvious that you might as well just punch yourself in the groin instead.

We can't care too much about sexism when we are so driven by religion that we mutilate the genitals of more than half the male born population of the world and don't raise an eyebrow, it's all ok, it's not like in some African cultures where they actually mutilate the genitals of girls.

Maybe the human race should outlaw the mutilation of any child, be it circumcision, FGM, or any act that affects the natural growth of a person. People should be allowed to choose in their own time, how they proclaim their religion - Mankind needs to grow the fuck up and learn to say no to retarded traditions and religious practices - and that starts by looking at all aspects, not just the atrocities that happen in far away jungles, but the socially acceptable atrocities that happen on your doorstep.

 

[Altorin]

Being such a crowded sea bound country, you can't blame the Japanese for wanting girls with huge... "tracts of land"
But THIS is a bit much.

<youtube=cNtlMjRqfQs>

Ok, that was hilarious.

Captcha: Which one is the hardest? Eating, Sleeping, Rocket Science, Tying Shoes
Tying Shoes
Captcha Error

:'(

 

[Altorin]

Here's a question for you... if female genital mutilation is so horrific, how come circumcision is widely accepted and performed. Isn't it the same thing?

Uhhh, no.

Unless when you were circumcized, your dickhead was cut off and your penis was sewn to your scrotum so that your future wife would have the honor of ripping your penis from your bleeding scrotum, then no, it's completely not the same thing.

I mean, you may have a point overall, but I don't think you understand what female circumcision entails and how it differs from the practice we call circumcision in males. You might consider male circumcision a travesty, but I, and many other people, were cut as babies and we don't concern ourselves with it. Some might, but the majority do not.

 

[Gordon Freemonty]

Jim, thanks for making me momentarily fall out with my girlfriend.

Great video though.

This is a story that demands it be told.

I live with two girls basically. My roommate and my girlfriend. This was on screen when they both came back from uni. I had my headphones in. You get the picture?

 

[surg3n]

Here's a question for you... if female genital mutilation is so horrific, how come circumcision is widely accepted and performed. Isn't it the same thing?

Uhhh, no.

Unless when you were circumcized, your dickhead was cut off and your penis was sewn to your scrotum so that your future wife would have the honor of ripping your penis from your bleeding scrotum, then no, it's completely not the same thing.

I mean, you may have a point overall, but I don't think you understand what female circumcision entails and how it differs from the practice we call circumcision in males. You might consider male circumcision a travesty, but I, and many other people, were cut as babies and we don't concern ourselves with it. Some might, but the majority do not.

This is what I'm talking about though. The true nature of that 'in some cultures' comment is only apparant once you know the specifics. I know what female circumcision entails, I remember vividly when I first heard about it and was shocked that such a thing is allowed to happen. The issue I have is that it's no good pointing the finger, when religious practices all over the world do the same thing. There are varying degree's of severity of course, but I firmly believe that all religious practices like that should be put to a stop. You know, I got my umbilical cord cut when I was a kid, and I'm glad, because life might not be so peachy if I had a gnarly black cord instead of a bellybutton. I don't know what it would be like to have a gnarly black belly cord, so not having one doesn't upset me. I can't know how you feel about being circumcised, and you can't know how I feel about not being circumcised. I guess I just think that all mutilations or modifications should be a matter of personal choice, a baby has no rights, or no voice to say that they'd rather no have any kind of surgery at this early stage. Might it be that, if your parents asked you when you were old enough, if you fancied having your pecker sliced, few people would be willing to try that once they got attached to their peckers .

 

[nolongerhere]

Well it's supposed to simulate invisible hands moving them, that's why they move more than "naturally".

Oh shit. That explains everything. These girls have spent there entire life being groped by invisible monsters, and that why they all look dead inside. Oh god, the backstory for this game is just fucking horrifying.

 

[Britisheagle]

I will be honest and say I don't normally, watch or enjoy these videos (nothing personal, just not my sense of humour) but do watch them when it is a topic that catches my eye. In this case it is the fact developers, especially Team Ninja, ruin their self image by not only including huge breasts but breasts that are breasts only by name but nothing else.

I know a few girls that have big boobs. Well two possibly three that would match up with the girls in the DoA roster, and none of them move in that sort of float-y about manner. It's shocking and the excuses are even worse. The annoying thing is the fighting elements are good but I can't bring myself to buy this game due to the fact that the developers seem more interested in tits than gameplay.

So Jim, I'm with you on this one. It's pathetic and if only Team Ninja would admit that. The artcile that comes to mind is that of the developer of the reboot of DMC who specifically said over the top boobs would be gone as they were focusing on gameplay. Now that is how it should be.

 

[Altorin]

Here's a question for you... if female genital mutilation is so horrific, how come circumcision is widely accepted and performed. Isn't it the same thing?

Uhhh, no.

Unless when you were circumcized, your dickhead was cut off and your penis was sewn to your scrotum so that your future wife would have the honor of ripping your penis from your bleeding scrotum, then no, it's completely not the same thing.

I mean, you may have a point overall, but I don't think you understand what female circumcision entails and how it differs from the practice we call circumcision in males. You might consider male circumcision a travesty, but I, and many other people, were cut as babies and we don't concern ourselves with it. Some might, but the majority do not.

This is what I'm talking about though. The true nature of that 'in some cultures' comment is only apparant once you know the specifics. I know what female circumcision entails, I remember vividly when I first heard about it and was shocked that such a thing is allowed to happen. The issue I have is that it's no good pointing the finger, when religious practices all over the world do the same thing. There are varying degree's of severity of course, but I firmly believe that all religious practices like that should be put to a stop. You know, I got my umbilical cord cut when I was a kid, and I'm glad, because life might not be so peachy if I had a gnarly black cord instead of a bellybutton. I don't know what it would be like to have a gnarly black belly cord, so not having one doesn't upset me. I can't know how you feel about being circumcised, and you can't know how I feel about not being circumcised. I guess I just think that all mutilations or modifications should be a matter of personal choice, a baby has no rights, or no voice to say that they'd rather no have any kind of surgery at this early stage. Might it be that, if your parents asked you when you were old enough, if you fancied having your pecker sliced, few people would be willing to try that once they got attached to their peckers .

All I'm saying is, comparing male circumcision as it's practiced today with female circumcision is incorrect. I'm not saying it's right, but it's TOTALLY not the same thing, and it's dangerous to insist that it is. Circumsized penises have all of their functional bits still attached. I'm not saying a foreskin is absolutely nothing, but it's certainly not a clitoris.

now, I'm an atheist, my parents were christian, and I was cut because at the time, doctors thought that it was more sanitary. That has since been proven false, and I sympathize with people who feel somehow violated by it. I don't. My parents did what they thought was best. And if jewish people want to believe that their covenant with god requires their babies to be circumcized, I honestly don't have a problem with that. It's silly, from the outside, but I'm not going to tell them they're wrong and that they're torturing their baby and they're going to ruin his life, because really, I have so much more to worry about then even my own circumcision, let alone someone elses. And if their baby isn't circumcized, they basically wouldn't be allowed back into their church, which might seem great to you sitting on the outside, but to them, I imagine if the thought occurs to them, it's not a good one. And everyone they know (at least anyone close enough to even be a part of the proceedings), had it done to them, and they're fine.

Feel free to disagree, but trust me, most men don't concern themselves with it because it's basically nothing. Female Circumcision is not a joke.