Jimquisition: Monster Boobs And Plastic Children

ManInRed

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While not a major aspect to the video, I do think the pedophilia jab is something a lot of people throw indiscriminately at anything that comes from Japan. There's a lot you can complain about the proportions of the DOA character model, but it does fit a short adult woman frame -if they happen to have breasts like Hitomi Tanaka. The eyes and nose are a bit anime sized, but also look like that of an adult character in that style. In Japanese art there are several silhouettes and faces commonly repeated among all characters, who are distinguished by the style layered over that frame, unlike western art which often makes characters district based on the shape and proportions of their silhouette and face. So its very easy for me to look at these characters and say they are suppose to be adult women, not children. Since the two have very distinct and exaggerated body shapes. I just don't see how anyone could think these characters look like children, so the jab come across as another excuse to insult Japan's deviant culture. And neither Team Ninja nor Japan's deviant culture are so innocent you need to make such hyperbole to find cause to insult them.

Now as for the main topic, the jiggling breasts moving on their own. Well, its good to take in some history and remember before Team Ninja came along video game breasts were typically completely stiff bowling balls, so making them move at all was a huge improvement. Of course, you can take issue that Team Ninja has done nothing to improve the realistic motion of the DOA breasts since its inception, and glad I am that Jim would devote a whole episode to informing the public of this travesty, but that almost suggests Team Ninja has been putting more effort in recent years on game play and story than boobie graphics. Okay, not sure if they actually work out doing those other things well yet, but isn't that direction encouraging?

Can we all agree the next time we decide to rank on DOA series it will be about it's horrible fighting system that controls like a volleyball game? It feels shallow or pandering to people that hate shallowness to only bring up how a game looks.
 

Battle Catman

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surg3n said:
And as for realism, well some girls do actually have breasts that big, the chances are that everyone here knows someone with breasts that big - and if not, go look up Misshannahminx, and tell me she would look out of place in that game.
Right, large breasts do exist in real life. But ask any woman with large breasts if they'd enjoy running and jumping without any support like a sports bra and they'll probably say no. I know women with large breasts and yeah, all that bouncing can be PAINFUL.

I guess that's the breaking point of realism for me--I just figure a "real" female fighter would strap those things down so they DON'T flop around during a match.
 

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Battle Catman said:
surg3n said:
And as for realism, well some girls do actually have breasts that big, the chances are that everyone here knows someone with breasts that big - and if not, go look up Misshannahminx, and tell me she would look out of place in that game.
Right, large breasts do exist in real life. But ask any woman with large breasts if they'd enjoy running and jumping without any support like a sports bra and they'll probably say no. I know women with large breasts and yeah, all that bouncing can be PAINFUL.

I guess that's the breaking point of realism for me--I just figure a "real" female fighter would strap those things down so they DON'T flop around during a match.
Yup, every girl I know with huge breasts has back problems, and tend not to get why people think they are so great. Personally, I think it's more appealing when women make the most of what they have. Anyway, we wouldn't want too much realism in fighting games, Ryu would have bad knees, Cammy-cameltoe would have thrush.
 

Kurt Cristal

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ZexionSephiroth said:
And now I remember this one Gamer comic where someone depicted the situation as something like this...

DOA Girl 1: Ahh, my breasts! what are they doing?!
DOA Girl 2: THEY HAVE A MIND OF THEIR OWN!
*One of the girls Breasts tears off and flies into the air*
DOA Boob: I'm Free!
*DOA Boob continues into space*
...Now if only I knew where I saw that...
It was C+A+D.
http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20061025

Thanks for reminding me about this crappy webcomic still existing.
 

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oh yes. One big problem with not being allowed to pander to your demographic... Is like saying CoD and Halo should not pander to their demographic. The only reason games like CoD, Halo, and Mortal Kombat get more of an "okay" to exist internationally is because violence is more acceptable medium than nudity or porn. I played and own DoA5. I greatly appreciate the effort they put into both animation and game mechanics. I LOVE the fact that it is difficult to pull off an infinite combo, unless it's a glitch/bug, in that game. Nearly everything can be countered. I have played Tekken, own 3, 4, 5, 6 and for sure "love" my character taking 50%+ health damage from a single combo that cannot be stopped once started.

DoA5 may not be perfect by far. But I enjoyed it far more than tekken for punishing "spam a combo".

p.s. If a person wants to show how miss guided a developer is, use footage from the current game. Especially since the old director is gone. :p Kinda difficult to prove your example when those games already look dated compared to DoA5.

Hey let me use Tekken 1 and 2 to prove how wonky Tekken 3 will look like -_-.
 

Paragon Fury

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LobsterFeng said:
dangoball said:
Pff, you all have obviously NOT seen enough hentai to know what Japanese mean by HUGE tits. Those gals in DoA5? Nah, 'bout average hentai teens to be gangbanged by tentacled aliens.

THIS is what they mean by BIG:
http://www.sailormoonhentaiworld.com/images/hentai--aino-minako--bishoujo-senshi-sailor-moon--blonde-hair--blue-eyes--bow--breast-squeeze--breasts--castella--choker--earrings--hair-bow--huge-breasts--jewelry--long-hair--open-mouth--sailor-venus--smile--solo.jpg
Notice that each breast is "only" as big as the girl head.

And this is what they mean by HUGE.
http://xxxbunker.com/hentai_blonde_with_massive_tits_gets_screwed.jpg
And here each breast is about as big as the girls torso.

I feel kinda ashamed now and I don't even like huge tits. I prefer petite girls!
It's funny, I see people get defensive about these things and say stuff like "It's bad to generalize that all Japanese media is like that." But it's hard not to when it seems to pop up in almost all anime and such.

Take One Piece for example. It's the most popular anime/manga in Japan right now (for good reasons, it really is quite good) but even One Piece gives its female characters ridiculous breast sizes.

I mean look at the character Nami for example:




...This is all for educational purposes of course...
That Nami is nothing compared to the movies:

 

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Joking aside, what I am to gather from this video is that Jim's OPINION/PREFERENCE = FACT/TEMPLATE FOR HOW THE WORLD SHOULD BE.
Seriously I though Jim was capable of more better reasoning then this,this is the most opinionated rubbish I've heard in a long time.
Jim, and anyone who thinks like this, just because you don't like something dosen't make it bad.
Why dose this need to be said, I'm not sujesting that people don't criticise products but do it with a bit more class then this. The stupidest thing is that this argument can be applied to anything but if it was people would say 'well no, that's different', and it wouldn't be.
I don't like DearDeveil, dose that mean that the creators should stop making comics about him? No it dosen't. Disagree with something all you want, but saying something shouldn't exist because you don't like it is just a passive aggressive dictatorship.

And the accusations that the players are sleazy is just childish, surely the accusation that anyone who likes Halo is a whiny, high pitch, homophobic, douche bag is then just as valid.
 

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I just want a female protagonist who I can take seriously and be seen as a person overall. Most people would agree we need more serious female characters then the bystander who has big breasts and does things just so we can get a 'shot' at what they're wearing underneath. It's to much.
There's a lot of strong female protagonists in Alternative that are more than just a pretty face and can take charge when the situation calls for it.

They have an equal relationship with the main guy.
 

Paragon Fury

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the thing is don't understand is the Dead or Alive Xtreme spinoffs are xbox exclusives but the xbox has monumentally abysmal sales in Japan to the point it might as well be taken as not being a player at all in that marketplace (many Japanese retailers don't even stock it now) so the idea that this game is somehow "made for Japanese audiences"...sry but no.

there have only ever been a total of roughly 1.5 million xbox 360s sold in Japan and you did not make the game for THAT tiny and economically non viable target demographic and market share.

no, you made it for the rest of the 66 million xbox 360 install base NOT IN JAPAN.

next week boob size sliders during character customization and their near laughable pointlessness in the hands of the average male...

I never understood the "more than a handful" is a waste arguement.

I get the feeling the people that make it aren't very creative.....or very good with their hands.
 

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I have just one thing to say:
WIBBLY WOBBLY BUTTER UDDERS

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Oh SHIT, ban-hammer approaching... okay, content, content

OT: Frankly, there's just one thing that I agree with Jim this time: It's a disgrace that Team Ninja tries to excuse their own lusting after said wibbly wobbly butter udders instead of admitting that they just like wibbly wobbly butter udders.
The rest of this episode was weirdly whiny this time :c
 

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I wanted to write this earlier when i watched this episode, but i didn't have time.
I simply don't agree with you Jim. I don't see the problem here. Let me elaborate a bit.

At the start you stated that you have no problem with fetishes and after that you contradicted yourself by saying that jacking off to those jiggle monster is bad. Ehhh... You and I know that there are much worse/more bizzare things to jack off than water baloons. So this was not a good start.
Later you are angry about that they try to cover behind culture etc. etc., but you forget one small fact... If our culture is so against this representation, why the hell we buy those games. It's international release because even though it's not cool with the rest of the world, rest of the world pays to play it. And you can't say people don't know what they are paying for, because we all know this series and what it represents. You talk about marketing, but in the end of the day this product sells more propably because of those breasts. It's not like people bought beach volleyball for the gameplay mechanics.
You use also strawman arguemnt and shock value. Really? Creepy water melon boobs on screen that doesn't even try to be realistic you compare to the mutilated genitals? Really?

Overall it sounded like your own personal rant than anything else (also DoA having monster breasts isn't newest information) and while it was fun i'm kinda dissapointed. That's all.
Good luck
 

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Paragon Fury said:
I never understood the "more than a handful" is a waste arguement.

I get the feeling the people that make it aren't very creative.....or very good with their hands.
I've always felt it was a solid argument with one caveat: some of us have bigger hands than others ;)
 

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Jimothy Sterling said:
I've realized the error I made in talking about the fact the DoA girls look like kids. It's small wonder the fans keep defending that by saying, "Nuh uh, they don't have the bodies of children!" My argument rests on how they have porcelain kiddy faces, but I'm telling that to people who have never looked that far up the body of a DoA girl.

My mistake!
I'm one of those weird guys who enjoys the game (mostly, I'll admit) for the fighting mechanics, and as I got older and learned more about fighting games in general this was a common complaint of mine: the characters looked too much like action figures, even with the stylized graphics. This was readily apparent in the older games, with the smoothness of the characters being emphasized more and more each new installment.

On the flip side, those same doll-like qualities of the characters (especially the females) are what helped the series excel, especially in its native Japan. They can be thought of as analogous to Barbie dolls who happen to be able to break every bone in your body without trying I think, further demonstrated by the myriad of outfits the characters have had over the years.

This was fixed in the latest game, DoA5. While I suspect that the characters are still the same age they were in previous games somehow (it's implied that all the games, minus DoA Dimensions for the 3DS [I think], take place within the same year), all the characters look older as well as having their respective nationalities a bit more prominent(Hitomi and Kokoro both actually show their non-Japanese roots a bit [half-German and half-French, respectively], and both Lisa and Zack sport facial features common among negroids).

The ladies's breasts still move kinda awkward, but at least it's in direct correlation to the characters's movements versus whatever the fuck that was supposed to be in DoAX2 and NGS2.
 

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Goodness. Quite a hotbed of hate over a video of a man making fun of sexuality while fucking a synthetic vagina with the head of a Mego doll and equating the breast physics in a Dead or Alive game to deliberately killing caged members of an endangered species.

Mr. Sterling, if you're still reading, let me address you directly for a moment and thank you for ruining my night last night. I stayed up a full hour longer than I should have trying to calm down from the monumental laughing fits I had over that "Team Ninja in an honest world" joke. I have rarely enjoyed missing my sleep more than I did last night. This was an excellent video, and in my estimation, one you ought to be proud of. You have made a fan of me.
 

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Loved the video Jim and though iv'e played the first spinoff titles years back I can see the uncanny valley there and both me and my friend playing it into the night couldn't help but feel a bit awkward at how silly the game played out.

OT: What I learned from this thread is this

*We shouldn't give any fucks what Team Ninja does as it's "Their game and you can't say squat"
*We should criticise the critic and not the game
*We should all love great stonking tits because that view is the better opinion
*If we say anything bad about this game then we are wrong to do so on any grounds possible.

I mean come on if we don't give any fucks about what team ninja does then we should also give no fucks about any game good or bad and while we're at it lets make the most tasteless game known to man just to bring out the hypocrisy.

I love hypocrisy I really do, I love seeing how people rage on at COD and Resident evil but gladly go to defend a game that's trying to be porn and beat down everyone with their "give no fucks, that's just your opinion man" sticks.

Iv'e played some of the DOA games and one of their spinoffs and while I don't hate it with a passion I can see they are wasting talent and should just go into full on porn or instead make the game not revolve around tits and then everyone can be happy and if you're not then porn which has existed long before the game is always your aid.

If you want the game to stay the way it is then let Jim talk the way he wants to or you know non respectful hypocrisy inbound.

And one last thing I have to say, if you want to argue and beat down with the almighty justification opinion then by all means go right ahead but your time spent trying to will be ultimately wasted as it won't change a damn thing to a guy like me.