Jimquisition: The Beautiful Irony of PC Gaming

Bob_Dobb

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Why wasn't Dwarf Fortress mentioned as low graphic, highly immersive PC game. It's ASCII (can g et graphics pack) and its the best game I have ever played.
 

5t3v0

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s69-5 said:
WTF?

So you start the video by naming multiplat titles (Torchlight, Portal 2), mention PC's second biggest flaw (constant upgrades) and downplay that by syaing that you can play old games on it like as if only PC offers that ability - forgetting PSN and Virtual Console much?

This video is nothing more than highly biased BS. The biggest flaw that PC gaming has is the elitist fanboys who are fed by this kind of misinformed gobbledygook. Guess what, PC is no better and no worse than consoles in all reality. Both have moments of greatness, due to some very creative titles (minecraft, LBP, etc) ; and moments that are not so great due to reliance on stagnant genres (*cough*FPS*cough*); and everything in between. I myself prefer to be able to experience this by not having to place a small fortune in upgrading every other year (money saved that I can put into more games), but hey, whatever floats your boat.
Um, sorry, but I don't mean to be a dick or anything (I dunno what it is about this forum that just makes us all raging savages...) but I don't recall him saying anything about constant upgrades other than the fact that he is upgrading THIS YEAR for battlefield 3.

Also, time and time again, us PC gamers have been trying to say that "Constant upgrades" is a myth. Those who upgrade bi-yearly are usually hardware-nuts who like me love the feeling of building a PC, or have a game that is not available on console that has rather steep requirements for one reason or another. But Just because you can't play crysis on full doesnt make you a non-PC gamer. Don't listen to the hardliners. You can probably get away with upgrading every 4 years and still be able to play modern games in the 5th (albeit with tuned down settings).

Its just while we are elitist often, it doesnt help if opposition and critics of PC gaming spread misinformation like that. Again, I'm sorry if I'm coming off as elitist, but I just want to, as many PC gamers, clear up that myth.
 

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EverythingIncredible said:
On the other side of the coin, I find plenty of games on consoles that would never be adequately told on PCs. Particularly games by From Software like Armored Core and Demon's Souls.

Sure, you could emulate it. But you will never have the true experience of playing those kinds of games when at your desk.
That's only because of the bane of the gaming industry - exclusivity. I would love to see Armored Core on PC. We need a good mech sim game on PC since Microsoft bought rights to the Mechwarrior series, turned it into an arcade style shitfest, and made it console-only.
I would have even bought the giant expensive specialised controller for it.
 

Starik20X6

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My problem with PC gaming isn't financial, got nothing to do with upgrading my computer or anything like that. No, my issue is that every single person I know who labels themselves as a PC Gamer is such an elitist fuckpuppet about it and all spend frighteningly large amounts of time telling me how inferior my consoles are to their PCs that it makes me avoid it almost entirely out of spite.
 

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Damn. I saw that chainsword in the gamestop rewards program (lol people who hate gamestop) for like, 80000 points, and it was in limited quantities....and it ran out within a couple hours.

If there's one thing that warhammer fans are known for it's a disposable income.
 

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Matthew94 said:
Great video, but I hated eye. It was a buggy piece of shit and infinite respawning really pisses me off when a fucking attack chopper comes at you every minute along with rocket launcher wielding goons.

Now if only console players would listen to this video...

You don't need to upgrade a PC every year and it doesn't cost thousands for a PC. Also the games are cheaper.

The mis-information annoys me.
But it's not misinformation. If I want to play something like Dues EX I do need a really good and really expensive computer. A lot of the big mainstream games are graphics intensive and you can't get past the fact that you need a computer than can cope with that. You don't /need/ to put lots of money into a good computer, it's just if you don't do so you miss most of the mainstream releases...?
if you are statisfied with playing it on a graphical level identical to an xbox360, you can get a very, VERY cheap pc, for less or about the same as you would have to invest in a console. of course, if you want everything cranked up to the max, you'll have to pay for it. but don't forget: an xbox is just a small, pretty outdated pc itself. how many years is that thing old now? 4? you can get a 4 year old pc with similar power for next to nothing. this age old argument for consoles is nothing but fabrication and/or misinformed drivel.
 
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Damn. I saw that chainsword in the gamestop rewards program (lol people who hate gamestop) for like, 80000 points, and it was in limited quantities....and it ran out within a couple hours.

If there's one thing that warhammer fans are known for it's a disposable income.
Armies and tables cost a s*** ton
 

JoelChenFA

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Escapist could quite easily have practised some quality control and maybe not pay their inferior content providers but instead pay those that might want to leave when not paid.
 

carpathic

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Ahhh excellent. Jim is actually an Astartes! I learn something new everyday.

Hopefully he is a dreadnought!
 

RobfromtheGulag

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I agree, but then I don't know if anyone can disagree with this video. After all, Jimquisition is Divine.
On point though, I just bought a game called Avadon from Steam, and the sprites would run on on a Macintosh Classic I daresay. Not only that, but in checking the dev forums apparently it's a line of games of the same type, so there's even a following for this sort of thing.

I'll probably be missing out on the glitter of the year; I'm far more inclined to purchase EYE than I am Witcher 2. Battlefield and Deus Ex - not going to happen either. Skyrim should be nice though.
 

Denamic

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Well, a moderately decent machine should be able to handle any game in existence at high if not maxed graphics.
My other machine was moderately decent 5 goddamn years ago, and it still runs any game I throw at it.
 

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Sgt. Sykes said:
The biggest problem with graphics is that good graphics is insanely expensive to make. Furthermore, the scale is more logarithmic than linear. 10% increase in 'graphics quality' can cost 50% more. So yes, you graphics whore, shut up. We can chose between stupid short simple linear games with 'gooooood' graphics every year or two, or complex, huge games with poorer graphics which take longer to make. Oh wait, we don't have the choice anymore. The short retarded games for graphics whores have won. Well, thanks.
Erm, who was this aimed at? i.e. who is 'You Graphics Whore'? I'm pretty sure the consoles pushed the industry towards the 'pretty but shallow' end of the market. Smaller game worlds, smaller maps, smaller player counts in multiplayer. Not trying to dump on the consoles, I own a few, but yeah...


But no, I don't think the 'best' PC games have shit graphics. Don't even start with Minecraft or WOW. Let's be realistic here. Crysis was great and graphics was a good part of that. Graphics is important. Portal wouldn't be Portal without it's style. Yes, it's about STYLE, not about the number of polygons, thousands of motion captures and whatever. Developers, just make the graphic appropriate for the given game. No need to upscale all the time.
Agreed.
 

Tarik94

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WAIT-WAIT-WAIT-WAIT... WAIT! PC Gamers were all over graphics? I though we called console gamers for kiddies because they were the ones all over that kind of stuff.
 

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What has NOT been mentioned in this (quite good) video is, some console gamers can only play console games. e.y.e. sounds terribly complicated and that puts off people who are used to "this is the key to shoot, this is the one to walk, go play the goddamn game" approach the developers have been using recently. Reccettear also, when you're used to casually controlling the menus using buttons, having to race against time or use the mouse in a spreadsheet-like menu can be off-putting.

I'm talking as a PC-exclusive gamer and I think that these are the reasons why the console gamers use "IT COSTS $5000 EVERY MONTH" argument, not because it costs a lot (it doesn't), it's because some PC gaming concepts are alien and strange to them so they are afraid of facing them.
 

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EverythingIncredible said:
I probably should have worded that differently.

It has nothing to do with exclusivity. I'm saying that there are games out there are that are better off played on a couch with a controller in hand rather than on your desk.
Oh, I see what you mean now. Although I'll still disagree with it somewhat. I prefer to play games at my desk, gaming on the couch doesn't feel comfortable to me. Other people prefer the couch, of course. And with most modern video cards that can output through HDMI to your TV, plus a wireless controller, you can play anything you like from your couch, whether it's on PC or console.