Jimquisition: The Sh*tiest Games of 2012

Therumancer

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TAdamson said:
A spade is a spade. And a bigot is a bigot. You have no experience to make the sort of claims that you make on this site. Being a casino security guard is subjective, anecdotal experience. Code Adam is a safety response that rightly errs on the side of caution not scientifically based scientific research.

Paedophiles do not respond to androphilic (or gynophilic) stimuli. Your "experience" is not evidence.

Actually Code Adam is developed based on the experience of international law enforcement and errs on the side of caution based on those accumulated facts.

I *DO* have the kind of experience to make these claims as well.

You might not like the points that I'm making, but that doesn't mean it's not true, and yes it is evidence. Actually it's more powerful than most kinds of evidence as it's witness testimony. Very few of the people studying this kind of thing have any real world experience in dealing with it, and enter it from the position of politics to begin with, setting out to prove or disprove a hypothosis they are interested in for personal or political reasons.

The most you could argue is that noone could know this, on some fundemental, metaphysical level, but we both know that isn't true, and that the key to learning anything is direct, covert, observation of things happening on their own.
 

TAdamson

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Therumancer said:
I *DO* have the kind of experience to make these claims as well.
No you don't

and yes it is evidence.
Not for the sorts of claims you make.

Actually it's more powerful than most kinds of evidence as it's witness testimony.
That's only valid for individual criminal cases and is also often found to be mistaken.

To make the claim you make you need statistically significant scientific evidence.

Very few of the people studying this kind of thing have any real world experience in dealing with it,
Yes they do. They are psychologists. You are a casino security guard. Learn the difference.

Psychologists that study sexual offenders interact with them stratospherically beyond the superficial level that you have (If at all).



and enter it from the position of politics to begin with, setting out to prove or disprove a hypothosis they are interested in for personal or political reasons.
Your statement shows you do not understand science. If somebody conducts a study that cannot be replicated then it is ignored. Personal beliefs do not enter the equation or are weeded out by repeated separated observation.

You are a casino security guard and your individual experience is not evidence. Much like those who take homeopathic cures and claim to feel better are not evidence. The results are anecdotal and not valid except as part of a controlled, randomised, double blind experiment.

Your experience is either a statistical aberration or is tainted by your own prejudice.
 

Therumancer

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Your experience is either a statistical aberration or is tainted by your own prejudice.

This is basically what your trying to get to, all of your flailing around about science and so on aside. Simply put, you can't accept that I'm right because it plays havoc with a belief you dearly want to hold onto. That's fine, I don't expect to convince anyone over the internet.

I tell you the truth, you won't accept it. Nothing I say is going to change your mind, so what's the point? We're pretty much done. We're going to have to agree to disagree.

This might sound worse than I intend it, but to be honest I do hope nothing ever does convince you I'm right. At one point I used to be a lot like you, I was young, extremely liberal despite some VERY bad experiences, and while I liked violence and action, I wasn't quite the militant I am now, at least not in the same way, on the same scale. It's easy to maintain that when you can mostly hang out at home, go to college, and play D&D with your buddies. Sometimes you see things and make desicians that change who you are forever and you simply cannot ever go back. This is the "colored glasses" I mentioned before, knowlege, and learning specific things and how to look changes... everything. A lot of the more "hateful" things that I believe in that come up on this thread all feed into each other from the same basic sources. To be honest if you ever did REALLY look and learn the truth, you'd turn into a far differant person accross the board. The saying "ignorance is bliss" exists for a reason, to be honest I was happier before I knew a lot of the things I do now.
 

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Therumancer said:
This is basically what your trying to get to, all of your flailing around about science and so on aside. Simply put, you can't accept that I'm right because it plays havoc with a belief you dearly want to hold onto. That's fine, I don't expect to convince anyone over the internet.
No. You don't understand the idea that statistical scientific evidence trumps your anecdotal experience.

I'm no surprised. There are many like you claiming that "common sense" and "from what I've seen" trumps a scientifically managed study or experiment.

Your experience as a security guard (Not even a cop) means nothing. It's irrelevant. The fact that you think that it proves anything is laughable.
 

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Woodsey said:
Hitman: Absolution for me. Worst game I've played in two years I reckon. Atrocious Hitman game, shit game in general.
IMO that's a bit too harsh, way too harsh really, may not have been up to your Blood Money standards but when you see what they do to other franchises this was not that bad. Syndicate was turned into a FPS for crying out loud, Hitman Absolution keeps the stealth, you cannot run and gun in that game unless you're playing on Easy, Unlike another former stealth game... There's been a decline in stealth games overall, on an unrelated note I must say it's rather surprising that the next MGS game (Ground Zeroes, MG Rising isn't MGS) is looking to be way more stealth focused than the last few games, it didn't quite have the same "action"-feel to it that the other games have, which IMO is great.

So once again, I see where you're coming from, an old-school purist, sure, but Hitman Absolution is by no means bad compared to other games. Maybe, compared to previous Hitman games, but I've only played through Blood Money, and while it was a great game, I can't help to feel that nostalgia is a big factor here. After all, it's a bloody long time since Blood Money came out. Anyway, I want to finish off by saying that if it's truly the worst game you've played in 2 years, then your taste is either weird or you haven't played many games during that time.
 

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Crazycat690 said:
Woodsey said:
Hitman: Absolution for me. Worst game I've played in two years I reckon. Atrocious Hitman game, shit game in general.
IMO that's a bit too harsh, way too harsh really, may not have been up to your Blood Money standards but when you see what they do to other franchises this was not that bad. Syndicate was turned into a FPS for crying out loud, Hitman Absolution keeps the stealth, you cannot run and gun in that game unless you're playing on Easy, Unlike another former stealth game... There's been a decline in stealth games overall, on an unrelated note I must say it's rather surprising that the next MGS game (Ground Zeroes, MG Rising isn't MGS) is looking to be way more stealth focused than the last few games, it didn't quite have the same "action"-feel to it that the other games have, which IMO is great.

So once again, I see where you're coming from, an old-school purist, sure, but Hitman Absolution is by no means bad compared to other games. Maybe, compared to previous Hitman games, but I've only played through Blood Money, and while it was a great game, I can't help to feel that nostalgia is a big factor here. After all, it's a bloody long time since Blood Money came out. Anyway, I want to finish off by saying that if it's truly the worst game you've played in 2 years, then your taste is either weird or you haven't played many games during that time.
I play Blood Money every few months, nostalgia isn't a problem. Besides which, Absolution doesn't get a pass because other games have been flipped on their head entirely. It's a poor stealth game and it's a terrible Hitman game.

The save system is shit; you spend most of the time simply running away from people down linear corridors; enemy placement is seemingly at random; the writing that it so desperately adores is unimaginably atrocious; the pacing is off; the disguise system is pretty much completely broken, and the instinct system isn't much better.

Even without comparing it to Hitman: Blood Money, it is a bad game in its own right.

SC: Conviction irritates me for ditching what Splinter Cell was, but I can still enjoy it for the not-Bourne-but-may-as-well-be game that it is. Absolution was relentlessly aggravating and stupid.
 

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Jimothy Sterling said:
Why is this thread about racism and pedophilia? WHAT HAS HAPPENED!?
In case you didn't notice, Theuromancer is also a slavery apologist. To see him drag another thread into his world of rot is hardly a surprise.
 

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My computer's too crap to watch the video on The Escapist, and they didn't upload this episode to youtube. Nooooooooooo!!!!!!!!

I'll just wait a month until I get a more capable computer, no biggy.
 

Jack and Calumon

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I agree with Jim's choices completely. Honestly, Steel Battalion should have been a much bigger deal than everyone ignoring it. It's a damn shame too because beneath the completely broken controls, there is a great game there, an absolutely magnificent game that could have brought tears to the eyes of the dead through it's great comrade system. Instead, we get Kinect, which ruined the game. There is no denying it that Kinect is the reason this game sucks so hard. Remember the old MASSIVE peripheral for the Xbox Steel Battalion that had half a gorillian buttons? That was more intuitive than the Kinect. Microsoft is beta testing a product that does not work as intended and has NEVER worked as intended, and are instead lying to people about how well their advanced eyetoy actually works.

After all, has anyone wondered what the bottom oif an avatar's shoe looks like?

Furthermore, what the fuck has happened in this comment thread? What the actual fuck? I could be more on topic if I went to 4chan's /b/ and asked someone to post about global economics and how ice cream sales affect it as a whole. This is just bizarre.

Calumon: I don't know who's trolling who anymore! D:
 

Stryc9

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Jimothy Sterling said:
Why is this thread about racism and pedophilia? WHAT HAS HAPPENED!?
It's almost like it turned into a less funny episode of Podtoid.
 

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Therumancer said:
Undeadpool said:
Shameless said:
No Resident Evil 6 ? color me surprised.
That game was disappointingly mediocre, these games all seemed to be actively on fire.

Especially that 2012 game, that shit makes you forget all about RE5 in terms of amping up the racism. It seriously looks like the kind of thing the KKK or the Aryan Brotherhood would fund as a flash game.
To be honest I agreed with his general sentiments, about all the games, but really I think people need to stop prattling on about racism when there is no present, especially seeing as when people cry racism they don't even seem to know what it is, probably because racism as a mainstream phenomena is dead in the first world. It does exist on the fringes of society however.

Before you fire back, I'd point out that there really ARE games made by racist groups. "Ethnic Cleaning" being one from a white supremacy point of view.

Showing a bunch of primitive and backwards people AS primitive and backwards people is not in any way, shape, or form racist. Calling a guy who literally walks around and throws spears because that is the cutting edge of his availible technology a "spear chucker" isn't racist either. To be racist you have to be making a statement saying that these people are inherantly inferior and could never be any more than that, or by taking a person of a specific ethnicity who is more than that (say a black guy with a first world education and a good job) and saying that they are that when they clearly are not. Calling a banker a spear chucker is racist, calling a tribesman one is not.
I've cut your quote arbitrarily so that it doesn't threadcrap all over this forum, but that's the only reason. If you think I've selectively edited, feel free to indicate as such in your reply but herein lies one of the fundamental flaws of internet culture: everything is either all-or-nothing. A game is either the greatest thing ever made or the worst piece of shit ever (and if you don't believe one thing, you believe the other). Just look at the comment uproar when someone's favorite game is awarded "merely" 4/5 in reviews. And this extends to the notion that something is either made by a hate group or it's completely innocuous and innocent. There is a LOT of gray area on the subject of racism.

Resident Evil 5, for instance, was fine, right up until the "spear-chucking, mask wearing, loin-cloth clad jungle dwellers" part. Then it got a little racist, frankly. The same could be said of this 2012 game, though that's a BIT worse but for similar reasons. I doubt either of those games were made with malicious intent, but the fact is: they are still racist to an extent. The notion that "racism is dead" in the mainstream of the first world is also laughable. It's not dead, it's just more passive-aggressive. People aren't (generally) lynched in the street anymore, they're wrongly convicted of crimes or harassed by those in power. Just because you don't SEE it anymore, doesn't mean it's gone.
 

Therumancer

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Undeadpool said:
I've cut your quote arbitrarily so that it doesn't threadcrap all over this forum, but that's the only reason. If you think I've selectively edited, feel free to indicate as such in your reply but herein lies one of the fundamental flaws of internet culture: everything is either all-or-nothing. A game is either the greatest thing ever made or the worst piece of shit ever (and if you don't believe one thing, you believe the other). Just look at the comment uproar when someone's favorite game is awarded "merely" 4/5 in reviews. And this extends to the notion that something is either made by a hate group or it's completely innocuous and innocent. There is a LOT of gray area on the subject of racism.

Resident Evil 5, for instance, was fine, right up until the "spear-chucking, mask wearing, loin-cloth clad jungle dwellers" part. Then it got a little racist, frankly. The same could be said of this 2012 game, though that's a BIT worse but for similar reasons. I doubt either of those games were made with malicious intent, but the fact is: they are still racist to an extent. The notion that "racism is dead" in the mainstream of the first world is also laughable. It's not dead, it's just more passive-aggressive. People aren't (generally) lynched in the street anymore, they're wrongly convicted of crimes or harassed by those in power. Just because you don't SEE it anymore, doesn't mean it's gone.
Yes it does mean it's gone. Racism is by definition something that has to be out there for it to exist and be a factor. Everything you mention is ambigious by it's very nature and tends to be used mostly as a political tool. It's easy to rally people or motivate a counter culture if you claim people are being "harassed due to secret, invisible racism". It's nothing but a boogie man that doesn't exist, and on the rare occasions where there is truth to it, it's handled quickly and efficiently.

Not to mention that when you have counter cultures active it by definition loads the entire equasion. If people are grouping up on ethnic lines, and acting in an anti-societal fashion, needless to say they are going to draw negative attention, especially if they are being aggressive for it, and blaming everything that goes wrong for them on some non-existant boogie man.

Right now the big problem with minorities in general is to target the counter-cultures and associated behaviors to force societal assimilation. Racism is dead, most of the problems are coming from the others side of the equasion, people who do not want to join the rest of society and be normal, and take actual responsibility for themselves and their actions.

The problem with "Invisible Knapsack Theory" and why it's been massively debunked is that anything you can blame on racism could also be blamed on transdimensional parasites afflicting people's brains. You can't see it, you can't prove it, but we're supposed to take it on faith that it exists. The big question in situations like this is who benefits from it. Someone claiming "transdimensional parasites" has no beneficiary and is probably just insane (though you could never prove it unless you found something wrong with their brain chemistry), but with racism various PACs (Political Action Commitees) have a direct motivation for wanting to manipulate racial groups for their own power (being able to sell their services to get their group to support a cantidate), not to mention crying "racism" still gets people more attention than they would otherwise warrent in a bad situation. People being so quick to distance themselves from it, that the mere mention means people will use kid gloves where they wouldn't before... in ensures special treatment.

The bottom line is that there doubtlessly are racists who have acted "behind the scenes" but they hardly represent any kind of majority, and indeed have to hide from the majority.
 

mjc0961

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"AMY IS ICO WITH ZOMBIES AND IT'S TOTALLY BRILLIANT" - IGN

"AHAHAHAHA" - JIM STERLING
Oh man, how did I not see that the first time I watched this? Fucking hilarious.