It's entirely fair. If they are paying someone to do what they want, you will do exactly what they want, or they will find someone else who will. It is not your right to get a job with them, and if they don't like the fact that you play games like WoW, tough shit. Guess that's not the job for you.
So, you think it's ok for your boss to control everything you do in your life, if you want to keep your job? Ummm, no - your personal time should not be held against you if it is not affecting your work.
You don't like it, find a new job. He's paying you to do what he wants. You don't do what he wants, you don't get paid. There is no 'right' to be employed.
It's entirely fair. If they are paying someone to do what they want, you will do exactly what they want, or they will find someone else who will. It is not your right to get a job with them, and if they don't like the fact that you play games like WoW, tough shit. Guess that's not the job for you.
So, you think it's ok for your boss to control everything you do in your life, if you want to keep your job? Ummm, no - your personal time should not be held against you if it is not affecting your work.
Ummm yeah. He's paying you. This isn't negotiable, he doesn't HAVE to have you working for him under his paycheck. You do what he wants. End of the story.
Ummm yeah. He's paying you. This isn't negotiable, he doesn't HAVE to have you working for him under his paycheck. You do what he wants. End of the story.
Um, no. That's not how it works, at least in civilised societies anyway. The boss owns my efforts when I'm on the clock, and I'm responsible for being there on time and in condition to work. Anything else is my business, not the boss's, and if my boss ever tried to tell me how to dress on my days off or what sports to watch at home I'd refuse in writing... and then take 'em to the Labour Board if I was "laid off" afterward.
Exactly. Boss owns the efforts he wants to own while you are on the clock. HE HAS NO OBLIGATION TO HIRE YOU, IF FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN HE DOESN'T LIKE YOUR HOBBY. So no, he can't force you to stop playing, but he doesn't have to hire you if you do. Now if you are already working for said boss, then no, he missed his chance, he can't fire you. If he is considering you for a job, and plain old doesn't like you, he does NOT have to hire you. So if you think it's outrageous for a guy to not hire someone because he doesn't like the fact that the potential worker played WoW, you need to straighten your mind.
I'd like to quote a part of the official UK Government Information website, from their article on Job Discrimination Official UK Government Citizens Information Website [http://www.direct.gov.uk]
Direct discrimination
Direct discrimination happens when an employer treats an employee less favourably because of, for example, their gender or race. (So it would be direct discrimination if a driving job was only open to male applicants).
Indirect discrimination
Indirect discrimination is when a condition that disadvantages one group of people more than another is applied to a job. For example, saying that applicants for a job must be clean shaven puts members of some religious groups at a disadvantage.
However the law does allow employers to discriminate indirectly if they can show a good reason for having the condition. For example, the condition that applicants must be clean shaven might be justified if the job involved handling food and it could be shown that having a beard or moustache was a genuine hygiene risk.
So, unless playing WoW hampers the worker's ability to perform their job as set out in their job description, there is NO legality to declining that person the job (At least in the UK, however I believe similar laws are widespread in other countries).
If playing WoW adversely affects the worker from doing their job however (e.g. conflicts with working hours, sleep deprivation due to playing etc), then the employer has every right to take action.
Hell, I know someone in upper-management where I work who plays WoW. He knows his limits, works roughly 60 hours a week, and has been one of the best managers in that position in the past 30 years. If it did affect his ability to do his job then he wouldn't have been there, but as he does not let it affect him in the slightest there is NO legal reason as to why he can't have it due to WoW.
Employees are not 'Overlords of all that they survey', and inexcusably unjust demands for workers to change their out-of-hours hobbies when they have no impact on working habits isn't legal in the slightest. So no, it is not a case of "You do what he wants" if what he wants has no relevance to the job at all. If he demands that you stop playing WoW even though your working standards are to a reasonable standard then you can tell your employer to bugger off and call in lawyers if they want it so badly.
EDIT:
Just another good old legality quote to help things settle in:
Federal Laws on Employment Discrimination [http://employment.findlaw.com/employment/employment-employee-discrimination-harassment/employment-employee-discrimination-harassment-federal-laws.html]
Other federal laws, not enforced by EEOC, also prohibit discrimination and reprisal against federal employees and applicants. The Civil Service Reform Act of 1978 (CSRA) contains a number of prohibitions, known as prohibited personnel practices, which are designed to promote overall fairness in federal personnel actions. 5 U.S.C. 2302. The CSRA prohibits any employee who has authority to take certain personnel actions from discriminating for or against employees or applicants for employment on the bases of race, color, national origin, religion, sex, age or disability. It also provides that certain personnel actions can not be based on attributes or conduct that do not adversely affect employee performance, such as marital status and political affiliation.
Spellcheckers are a wonderful thing, not because they filter out people who can't spell but because they filter out people who have no concept of proofreading and have major word-usage issues (remember, using "form" instead of "from" or using "defiantly" when you mean "definitely", to say nothing of issues involving apostrophe's used as plural's or they're/their/there errors) and think the spellchecker will save them from looking like idiots.
My job application
Name: Big Yonsan
Skills: Sniping in CoD4, Sticking in Halo 3 and Chainsawing in Gears 1 and 2.
Notable accomplishments: Saved Hyrule on at least 5 occasions, Rescued royalty of mushroom kingdom with a full 120 stars, Destroyed Mother Brain, Found all chaos Emeralds and once scored a perfect a 50:0 kill ratio in Halo 2 online. I once also called in 6 air strikes and 5 copters in a single match of COD4.
Where do you see yourself in 10 years? Playing the PS5, the Xbox 1042 and the Nintendo anus*. If still employed with this company, I also see myself playing the latest incarnation of the DS while pretending to work.
References: The 7 sages, Chancellor of Mushroom Kingdom, Shinra inc., Ryu Hayabusa, Chun Li, the Mario Brothers and whichever of the Belmonts exist in this time. Iriqouis Pliskin aka Solid Snake if you can find him.
*figure the next gen nintendo will relate to the vagina in some way. After that it's fair game on another body part.
I think the interview question should be: "Did you lvl either to 70 or 80 in the first week of The Burning Crusade or The Wrath of the Lich king respectively?" That should sort the casual players from the hardcore, skip my work to grind, players
300 million people in the US, 11 million playing wow. I have found the source of the economic crisis
OK yes, what I've just said is littered with half truths. Their not all in the US and YES not all 11 million accounts are active. But the fact is LOTS of people play wow. I think this is more in the spirit of "If the fact that you play World of Warcraft comes up in the interview, beware." and frankly THAT is true. Its like if you where to mention that you have a drinking problem, more precisely like to get drunk, it might put up a red flag. its potentially addictive behavior that could affect work.
SO remember if you get fired/not hired because of wow, its YOUR fault.
300 million people in the US, 11 million playing wow. I have found the source of the economic crisis
OK yes, what I've just said is littered with half truths. Their not all in the US and YES not all 11 million accounts are active. But the fact is LOTS of people play wow. I think this is more in the spirit of "If the fact that you play World of Warcraft comes up in the interview, beware." and frankly THAT is true. Its like if you where to mention that you have a drinking problem, more precisely like to get drunk, it might put up a red flag. its potentially addictive behavior that could affect work.
SO remember if you get fired/not hired because of wow, its YOUR fault.
Ah, but if it DOESN'T affect your work then they have no legal right to decline an application if this is the sole excuse for it. Sure WoW addicts can be told to bugger off due to sleep deprivation etc, but people who know their limits can't.
Taking the scenario above, it's like a person who has a few pints a week. Sure that could spiral out of control into full-blow alcoholism. But if it stays at a few pints a week and has no working impact, you can't fire / decline to hire someone on this single aspect alone.
300 million people in the US, 11 million playing wow. I have found the source of the economic crisis
OK yes, what I've just said is littered with half truths. Their not all in the US and YES not all 11 million accounts are active. But the fact is LOTS of people play wow. I think this is more in the spirit of "If the fact that you play World of Warcraft comes up in the interview, beware." and frankly THAT is true. Its like if you where to mention that you have a drinking problem, more precisely like to get drunk, it might put up a red flag. its potentially addictive behavior that could affect work.
SO remember if you get fired/not hired because of wow, its YOUR fault.
Ah, but if it DOESN'T affect your work then they have no legal right to decline an application if this is the sole excuse for it. Sure WoW addicts can be told to bugger off due to sleep deprivation etc, but people who know their limits can't.
Taking the scenario above, it's like a person who has a few pints a week. Sure that could spiral out of control into full-blow alcoholism. But if it stays at a few pints a week and has no working impact, you can't fire / decline to hire someone on this single aspect alone.
You are right, about if it doesn't effect you then its fine. But lets take where I work, if I had mentioned world of warcraft at the interview, i probably wouldn't have gotten the job. Many wow players treat it like another part time job, and if you had a part time job and where applying for a full time position and started talking about you other job they also would tell you to stuff it.
"have no legal right to decline an application" WRONG! You could, not only can you refuse a application for any reason, but you can fire someone for any reason, without telling them the reason for termination. Most wont because its unprofessional, and is open to lawsuit and that means lots of money.
Besides its not the job of the employer to find out what kind of wow head you are. So the tip I made from the start, DON'T TELL YOU INTERVIEWER YOU PLAY WOW! chances are he doesn't care and you'll just creep him out.
yeah that is dumb, if any thing video games are better for you then they are bad, I play WOW myself and I been working for 2 years now part time and never once did I have to say that I had a raid or some thing to do and I stayed up late doing it and that?s why I was in late
Well, I hate to say it, but what they say is kinda true, since most of the 11million WoW players have horrendous sleeping patterns, spend most of their thoughts on it, and would probably do badly at work, but there are a lot of people who don't really get into it.
Haha, it's funny how everybody assumes that people who play cannot do it casually and it's everything to them, I've played for about two years now, I could not play it for a week and continue my life as normal - just because some sad individuals dedicate their life to it doesn't mean everybody does, it's like not hiring black people (but this is sort of the Walt Disney version)
I was talking to an old school mate a while back when we first saw this on Digg, we both agreed that we would hire gamers but less likely hire MMO players. We couldnt explain it but we both agreed that when we played MMOs, it seemed to distract us outside of the game to the point where it affected our concentration.
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