Joss Whedon Is Still Bitter About Firefly
- Thread starter Greg Tito
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Sure we got Serenty, but finishing with your hands is just not fair
They are dealing with it. Product integration. Shows written entirely around product placement and interaction. The advertisements are seeping into the actual content. That's our reward for refusing to sit through six minutes of commercials every half hour. We couldn't just go get a snack or read a few pages of a book in that spare time. We had to denounce the very idea of advertisement, and the result is ever-shittier television.
Congratulations, us.
The horrible botched handling of Firefly reminds me of how Sci-Fi (of "Syfy" as they're now called) handled the Tremors series. Showing the episodes out of order because "they didn't like some of them" and making plot points hard to follow as a result. Or sometimes even impossible to begin. Then abruptly canceled the show without much explanation. Why? I think we got bumped off for that gods-awful Battlestar Galactica crap. That or more stupid wrestling, which doesn't belong on the channel anyways.
But what Firefly's plight really reminds me of... was Gene Roddenbary's Andromeda series. Hounded by executive meddling that eventually forced the show's key writer to leave and then changing the format around... it killed the show. Both for the fans, and for the creators of the show. The most ironic bit is that they wanted to make the show more episodic, and what'd they do? They made it so confusing that watching it that way would render the viewer lost and confused.
But what Firefly's plight really reminds me of... was Gene Roddenbary's Andromeda series. Hounded by executive meddling that eventually forced the show's key writer to leave and then changing the format around... it killed the show. Both for the fans, and for the creators of the show. The most ironic bit is that they wanted to make the show more episodic, and what'd they do? They made it so confusing that watching it that way would render the viewer lost and confused.
I didn't find out about firefly until after it was cancelled but after seeing what was made i'm sorry it didn't get a longer run.
Doll house on the other hand i thought was crap. i like most of the cast and the premis was neat but i kept waiting for somthing to happen...and it never did. It didn't help that for most of the shows run you didn't really have a main character since her personality changed each episode. The end result was that the show could be a jack of all trades master of none. Which i don't really like in TV, Pick a theme and a setting and stick with it. If i like it all stick around if not i won't. But if the show is a crime drama one week and romantic comedy the next i'm not gonna be able to get into it.
Doll house on the other hand i thought was crap. i like most of the cast and the premis was neat but i kept waiting for somthing to happen...and it never did. It didn't help that for most of the shows run you didn't really have a main character since her personality changed each episode. The end result was that the show could be a jack of all trades master of none. Which i don't really like in TV, Pick a theme and a setting and stick with it. If i like it all stick around if not i won't. But if the show is a crime drama one week and romantic comedy the next i'm not gonna be able to get into it.
What is this, I dont even...Hallow said:
Out of curiosity, what's wrong with Firefly? I first heard about it on this forum, and I think its some of the best TV I've ever seen.
Firefly was a work of art. It was brilliant and far ahead of its time. There's still nothing like it on television, which is very sad. The characters were so well crafted with such large stories to tell. Stories that needed years to develop rather than fifteen episodes and one movie. It is tragic that it wasn't allowed decent time or even truly a chance.
The fact that I was in Firefly's key demographic and had never heard anything about it until after it had been cancelled is proof enough that the show was grossly mishandled. I am furious that I missed out on it when it was on television and furious that it is not still on television today.
Joss has every right to be mad.
The fact that I was in Firefly's key demographic and had never heard anything about it until after it had been cancelled is proof enough that the show was grossly mishandled. I am furious that I missed out on it when it was on television and furious that it is not still on television today.
Joss has every right to be mad.
I did not like Angel's character, I did not like his little quasi-Irish friend as a character (I'm assuming he was supposed to be Irish, I couldn't really tell). Cordelia carried the episodes of that show I watched (I'm definitely not a proper fan of the series, I watched it casually). Usually really good/fun plots though.
Firefly was incredible though, and it felt like it was just warming up...and Bang. Gone. Fuck you, Fox.
Raaagh. Dollhouse was cool too. The second series sort of lost me, but I greatly enjoyed the first.
Firefly was incredible though, and it felt like it was just warming up...and Bang. Gone. Fuck you, Fox.
Raaagh. Dollhouse was cool too. The second series sort of lost me, but I greatly enjoyed the first.
Whedon should be bitter over it still. It was all Fox's fault.
I just wish I had seen Firefly when it was first aired.
It's sad to be a Browncoat when not many people (that I know offline) have heard of it.
I just wish I had seen Firefly when it was first aired.
It's sad to be a Browncoat when not many people (that I know offline) have heard of it.
Quite right too, but I still don't see that if there is such a huge fan base for Firefly that another company doesn't air it and give Whedon a reason to make a second series.Greg Tito said:
I thought Comic Con was supposed to be "make or break" for new films and games because the crowd is notoriously hard to please. If they can get that much obvious support from one sentence that doesn't even mention Firefly then why hasn't someone noticed yet?
Bitterness about Firefly aside, I think that Fox is just like ever other network out there that doesn't know their ass from a hole in the ground. They cancel good shows, and keep crap on the air, probably because that's what most of their viewers want.
Personally I think Whedon should have pitched Firefly to a cable network, it might have lasted longer. I think the SciFi channel would have had a massive viewr increase because of it.
It's odd, I don't understand when people bash Firefly, if you don't like westerns/space adventures don't watch it. I personally didn't like Buffy very much but I don't go around knocking it all the time.
On a side note, I enjoyed the J.J. Abrams Star Trek, finally a damn ship that has more than one laser on it...ffs it's about time!
Old Star Trek attitude : Oh, one gun should be enough...
New (realistic) Star Trek attitude : How many guns can we fit on that? Ok, put that many on it, we're going into space for godsake, there might be hostiles out there, it would be stupid to go underprepared...
I personally liked the change in continuity, the whole new approach to the ST universe and the actors. I thought they all did a great job. Could it have been better, sure nothing's perfect, but it was good for what it was. No ST movie has ever been groundbreaking.
Personally I think Whedon should have pitched Firefly to a cable network, it might have lasted longer. I think the SciFi channel would have had a massive viewr increase because of it.
It's odd, I don't understand when people bash Firefly, if you don't like westerns/space adventures don't watch it. I personally didn't like Buffy very much but I don't go around knocking it all the time.
On a side note, I enjoyed the J.J. Abrams Star Trek, finally a damn ship that has more than one laser on it...ffs it's about time!
Old Star Trek attitude : Oh, one gun should be enough...
New (realistic) Star Trek attitude : How many guns can we fit on that? Ok, put that many on it, we're going into space for godsake, there might be hostiles out there, it would be stupid to go underprepared...
I personally liked the change in continuity, the whole new approach to the ST universe and the actors. I thought they all did a great job. Could it have been better, sure nothing's perfect, but it was good for what it was. No ST movie has ever been groundbreaking.
All of Firefly's fans are still bitter about Faux's treatment of it, so why wouldn't it's creator be?