Just trying to save the world

[Aramax]

Here's an odd idea:



---SMACK UPSIDE THE HEAD---




STOP TRYING TO SAVE THE WORLD!!

YOU WILL ONLY FURTHER SCREW IT UP!!

I'm writing this as a gesture of charity by sharing my genius with the world, so shut your face.

 

[Trace2010]

Here's an odd idea:



---SMACK UPSIDE THE HEAD---




STOP TRYING TO SAVE THE WORLD!!

YOU WILL ONLY FURTHER SCREW IT UP!!

I'm writing this as a gesture of charity by sharing my genius with the world, so shut your face.

WHAT DO YOU THINK I'M TRYING TO DO, "GENIUS"?

 

[Aramax]

Do you hate america? I think you hate america. Freedom 2.0 all the way. Bring on taking it up the tailpipe from multinational coporations and being constanly watched by the FBI.


In all honesty I don't want to be at the same standard of living as a man who does nothing all day and accepts free everything from the government. That is called being suckered. It is an evolutionary instinct to take the path of least resistence, while at the same time there is an equal instinct to want to have as much as we can (this is why some people work hard and others don't). If the two were combined into one option the results would be disastrous.

Find the best worker in the world, has to be a single individual male or female, ask him to make a single pencil complete encased in a thin wood cylinder. He/she must start from scratch, can only use tools that he/she created, can't be helped by anyone and the final product must be exactly like a normal HB pencil.

You will soon notice that there is no such thing as a hard worker.

 

[Aramax]

Nobody works hard for free, my friend. A one hundred million dollar check, however, would get that pencil made.

It depend on the value of the money. If the value of the money is nil you wont go far... and you will need a lot of workers to get your pencil done.

 

[Aramax]

So what makes you think people will work in a resource besed economy?

capitalism is by far the best system because it is the only one that really encourages hard work.

Are you just commenting to increase your post count or have you actually read some of the reply in this thread?

Original post already answers this question.

And if capitalism is the best system then why is there so many people complaining and protesting all over the world?

 

[Aramax]

Because a large number of people are very small minded and want a single thing to vilify in order to make their lives simpler.

Original post calls me a pessimist for disagreeing with you. Robots would not be built because that would require effort. Your entire idea is flawed at its core, as are all simple solution idealist utopias. No system is perfect, capitalism is the best because:

1. It allows for societal advancement.
2. that encourages effort on the part of the individual.
3. All men are equal in opportunity, not in the handouts given to them
4. A free market is the key to world peace.

and many other reasons.

1. How about people who lose their jobs to robots?
2. Or serves as proof that society dont need that individual contribution.
3. But the opportunity is forced competition with others.
4. A free market is the key to frauds, financial disasters, egoism and war.

 

[Aramax]

1. They can get new jobs or go back to college to increase their abilities to a point where computers can't replace them.
2. A huge number of inventors, actors, lawyers, writers, artists, musicians, game developers, doctors, and scientists would disagree with you on that.
3. Competition breeds improvement. It's no accident that all of the major technologies we use today were either developed for military purposes or to make buckets of money.
4. I'm sorry, you are wrong. Co-dependace breeds peace automatically. Trading partners never go to war with each other while there is profit in staying friendly. As for frauds, have you ever heard of communist russia?

1. I'm sure a lot of people who have no other choice find this bit thrilling especially since their own survival depend entirely on that now.
2. But the rest of the world who can't seem to get a job would agree.
3. Can't argue with you there. A lot has happened in just one century but it's never a good idea to run with scissors... if you know what I mean.
4. Yes I have, they really got their system screwed by capitalist idology. Now they're stuck with a monetary based system instead of a non-monetary based system... like the one i'm actualy proposing, in this topic, as a back-up plan in case everything turn ugly.

 

[Aramax]

1. If they were truly productive they wouldn't have been phased out. Natural selection in the job market is the only thing preventing "idiocracy" from happening.
2. Each individual who is productive to society deserves any accolades they get. Any individual who is so useless that they can't find a job or go back to college (the easiest thing in the world to do in the recession) simply does not deserve a free ride.
3. Of course we need to carefully test each new technology (remember DDT?) but scientific advancement, at this point, is really the only thing that will stop global warming, among other problems.
4. I was talking about the way that every hard worker in communist russia was screwed out of the fruits of their labour by a corrupt government (See also: cuba, china). Russia, since dropping communism in the 90's, has actually seen a big upswing in their economy. Changing to the new system overnight had disastrous effects initially, but alread the benefits are becoming evident.

1. You mean a degenerated dystopian world where advertising, commercialism, and cultural anti-intellectualism run rampant with dysgenic pressure that result in a uniformly stupid human society? If not then I think you're understanding it backward man.
2. Eugenics much.
3. But scientific advancement wont be able to do anything about global warming if the big industires dont agree with their plan and they wont agree with them if they lose money.
4. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/02/eveningnews/main4915013.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Russia

The "brain drain"
Among other things destroyed during the transition to market economy were Soviet educational and science systems. Teachers and scientists, together with doctors, were the hardest hit by the transition. As the government was unwilling to index fixed salaries according to inflation or even to make salary payments on time, education and science incomes quickly dropped below the level of subsistence, ridding the schools, universities and research institutes of qualified specialists in record time. Some scientists fled to the West, attracting some attention to the problem of "brain drain", but nothing was done.

Omg... just like in idiocracy!

 

[Aramax]

And nothing of value was lost.

 

[Aramax]

In the light of the G20 riot, unrest after the North Korean satellite lunch and the continuing economical crisis... and also because March Mayhem is now over, I decided to revive this topic so that I could get some more comments from everyone.

What do you guys think about a resource based economy?

 

[catalyst8]

It occurs to me that for some reason the majority of people in this forum view communism not just purely as Stalinism & only that, but somehow think it is even vaguely related to Marxist (or many of the other forms of) socialism. I really don't understand how such basic misapprehensions can be so widely held in supposedly educated societies.

Historically there have been numerous forms of collectives, anarchies, syndicates, cooperatives, and so on (e.g. the Levellers, Chartists, during the English Civil War anarchists prevented the realization of a total monarchy, etc, etc.) which have definitely benefited the societies in which they existed - unless you aspire to totalitarian dictatorships which despise the notion of 'justice for all' in favour of power for the elite minority. Somehow these lessons of history have escaped what would seem to be the majority's education, & that ignorance is crushingly apparent.

Do yourselves a favour & learn the subject matter so that you can leave informed comments, rather than simply mouthing the moronically empty & alarmist phrases of the tabloids - remember, fear & outrage sells papers. Marx & Engels' Communist Manifesto takes about an hour to read, Lyotard's The Postmodern Condition about the same, Voltaire is ridiculously light weight. These are really basic texts conveying ideas which have had huge influences on our political systems.

The original poster has raised an interesting hypothesis which has predominantly been met by banality. If you really want to hold informed political debates at least learn the basics you'd expect a schoolchild to know, otherwise you're no better than the truly ignorant wankers who vote without even reading the parties' manifestos, & just let some yapping talking head on TV tell them what to think.

 

[Aramax]

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