Kelis slams UK for racism

[RhombusHatesYou]

So you can be racist against someone purely by what race you SAY they are, rather than what race they actually are?

Of course you can.

Yep. Doesn't take intellectual rigor to be a racist.

So if you call me a N-word, you're being racist against me...despite me having less pigment than than an albino.

Ah, well, if you want to really put your position to the test, I suggest you go find a Polynesian and call them a ******. If they get upset, explain how that isn't racist because Polynesians are an Asiatic people. Let us know how it goes.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

We are proud of one thing we do better than anyone else in the world....

We are devout queuers.

Yes, no one celebrated the collapse of Communism in Europe more than the British, as it took away any dispute in the matter.

 

[cthulhlu]

while we brits like to whine and complaine, and our older gerneration's seem to belive the fifties were a utopian paradise, we have made multiculturalism work.
Yes there are problems, there will allways be problems! And yes there is racism, there will allways be racism, but we have made it work, we take in these other cultures, absorb what they offer and give back things they didnt even know they had (half the currys today were invented in england )
the BNP can go fuck itself.

 

[Vault Citizen]

Who the hell is Kelis?

I live in North Wales. The only "racism" here is angry welsh people vocally insulting the English.

Why is racism in inverted commas? It is racism.

No its not. The welsh do it to the english, the English to the scots, the scots to other scots, and everyone does it to the Irish. The UK has the most love-hate relationship between countries ever.

Oh and we [English] do it to the Welsh too

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

When those Muslims burnt poppies on Remembrance Day, that didn't mean that every Muslim in the world did it.

What? My great-grandfather didn't ride around Palestine in WW1 shooting Turks and Germans just so people could act like that. No, he did it because it was his job... and for shit and giggles... and because he was a goddamned Australian... well a German immigrant to Australia but close enough.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

the BNP can go fuck itself.

They do. It's how they Keep Britain British.

 

[Robert Ewing]

An American is saying this? Oh wow.

But yeah, all 'racist' things said in Britain, are in completely different context.

Generally, there is little racism, for example. I love all races, but that doesn't mean I love everyone. I hate some whites, some blacks, some asians. You name it.

And because I hate that one individual, that somehow makes me racist. I know a lot of people that are in this situation, but use racist comments such as the 'n' word as ammo for their insult battle.

And generally, a lot of 'racist' chants are held quite high in British humor. Black people almost encourage us to be more comfortable with this sort of stuff. It's a good laugh in most respects. And everyone understands, keeps calm, and moves on.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

I love how everyone just assumes she's lying.

She was picked up for exactly the same thing in Miami, and there's distinctly contradictory evidence in her testimony. Still, I'm not assuming anything.

I think that's reasonable, because why the fuck would she? If she thought he said something racist, she don't need to lie. And why assume she did? Are we supposed to dismiss every claim of racism unless there's a recording and a verifying witness? How convienient.

See above. She pushes in, a Non-UK guy that's a picture-fit of what we assume is a racist responds to her with a racial epithet that's totally out of character with what a racist would say (Having spoken to some, the usual term would be "F****** N***** B****", not some slave mantra from a AMERICAN book written in '76), and then expecting the official to know that as well...and agree with it while shaking his head?

Maybe he just called her a C-word. It sounds similar, and it's what someone like that would call a woman he thought was over-reacting. That just makes him a jerk.

And finally, "Kunta Kinte" was played by Levar Burton - Geordi LaForge. Even if we're talking the sort of Trekkie that would know that, wouldn't he have sussed that he's a MAN?

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

An American is saying this? Oh wow.

Didn't you read the news? The US has been 'post-racial' since Obama was elected.

 

[El Luck]

but considering how EXTREMELY racist the guy...

was said by her to be.

Think on that.

We've no information that she's not just making this entire thing up. Especially as she's been done for racism in the past. You don't think there's a tiny chance she could be lying like a rug?

I love how everyone just assumes she's lying.

I'm going by the assumption that she didn't make up any of the words she claims he said. I think that's reasonable, because why the fuck would she? If she thought he said something racist, she don't need to lie. And why assume she did? Are we supposed to dismiss every claim of racism as lies unless there's a recording and a verifying witness? How convienient.

But maybe she overreacted. Maybe the guy called her a slave in a jokey fun-loving way. It's possible that there was no ill will behind comparing her to Kunta Kinte. After all she's black, those people are known for overreacting to racist remarks.

I've read through this thread and Root has been the only person to say that she may have made the entire thing up, and all of a sudden now its everyone?

Most of the people in this thread have called her out on the fact she's claiming that britain is "racially decades behind progression" because of what two people did.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Ah, well, if you want to really put your position to the test, I suggest you go find a Polynesian and call them a ******. If they get upset, explain how that isn't racist because Polynesians are an Asiatic people. Let us know how it goes.

Funny, don't think I'd get the same response if I called them a Cracker. Perhaps it's to do with the words themselves having a different level of hatred attached?

But calling someone Welsh isn't racist. If they are or not. I doubt even your Polynesian friend would be insulted at that. I'd prefer not to directly hassle him on his racial line though - given I don't know it.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

Maybe he just called her a C-word. It sounds similar, and it's what someone like that would call a woman he thought was over-reacting. That just makes him a jerk.

Possibly a '**** from Kingston'

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Maybe he just called her a C-word. It sounds similar, and it's what someone like that would call a woman he thought was over-reacting. That just makes him a jerk.

Possibly a '**** from Kingston'

Now that sounds more likely. And then he was just being offensive.

Still, hardly a reason to slander 10 million people across the newspapers, is it?

 

[Comando96]

I live in North Wales. The only "racism" here is angry welsh people vocally insulting the English.

Why is racism in inverted commas? It is racism.

Not really, we called it banter. They call us imperial bastards and we call them sheep shaggers. Neither true, both a joke.

Its like calling the French cheese eating surrender monkeys. Just a joke.

So... it's not racism if everybody does it? That argument doesn't make sense.

No, its not racism when the peoples that make up the United Kingdom do it to each other. Its a friendly rivalry going back centuries.

This^^^ this^^^
Kiardras said it better.

 

[Versuvius]

I live in North Wales. The only "racism" here is angry welsh people vocally insulting the English.

Why is racism in inverted commas? It is racism.

The british are all racist towards one another. I view it as a joke. The 'racism' isn't just between our sum countries either. Barnsley (where i live) is considered an area full of illiterate chavs (it is, but not everbody). On a less local scale the north of england is full of inbred farmers and the south are all in bred posh twats. They aren't but thats the stereotype. The irish are thick, the welsh fuck sheep, scots are all fat drunkards. By these the english are just hated in general. Swhy you don't call an irishman British, he will punch you.
Even less local than that, the french vs english thing. They are cowardly, frog eating, cheesy pricks. We are sweary "fuckoffs" and "ros beefs". It IS casual racism, but it's not entirely malicious. Give it good back as we get, and more often than not it's funny for all participants.

If that stopped making sense, hangovers. If it DOES...well i hope you get the point that theres a point where 'racism' stops being 'racism' and becomes international namecalling for the sake of ancient rivalries tret as fun.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

But calling someone Welsh isn't racist. If they are or not. I doubt even your Polynesian friend would be insulted at that.

Most of the Polynesians I've known were Maori so they might take being called 'welsh' as a sideways sheepshagger dig.

 

[Marmooset]

Well, whattya know - looks like the US isn't the only country that shakes the apologists and defenders out of the woodwork when the charge of racism is leveled.

Congrats, UK - with this thread, you've moved a little closer to being the 51st state.

 

[stabnex]

Who the hell does she think she is? Someone assassinate this bimbo.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

Still, hardly a reason to slander 10 million people across the newspapers, is it?

Don't ask me, I'm Australian. We can't even give KFC to West Indians on the telly without Americans having a good old sook.

 

[Iron Mal]

Isn't labelling a country racist a racist (or at least discriminatory) action in and of itself?

I read the report of what happened and while what happened to her does sound like the actions of a single racist bastard (to be fair the 'red faced man' did sound like a bit of a prick and was acting in a way I would define as racist) I wouldn't say that this or the fact that no-one rushed to her defense is grounds to say the the whole of the UK is racist.

Let us consider the following:

a) While the UK does have it's own immigration and discrimination issues (including the policies of the BNP) we don't have groups such as the KKK and Westburo Baptist Church so I'd say that if you were going to accuse anyone of being antiquated in regards to it's views on equality then it'd probably be the one that still has very notable hate groups who are active (of which the UK doesn't really have any).

b) The incident allegedly started over the musician in question queue-jumping, is it possible that this summoning of the 'you're all racist' arguement was just a method to get away with doing what she wanted? (I know that not all members of ethnic minorities 'play the race card' and that actual racism does still occur in the world today but this is still a thought to be taken into consideration)

c) She claims that she had these thoughts already about England but simply chose not to mention it until now for 'a lot of reasons', what are these reasons? If you're so disgusted by the 'backwards' nature of the UK then why did you not reveal this earlier?

d) The things she's quoting the aggressor as saying don't actually sound like the sort of things I could imagine someone in the modern world saying (unless they happened to be a time travelling 1800's Texan planation owner), quoting a book about the slave trade doesn't exactly sound like a very effective way to try and insult someone in this day and age.

e) 'probably a disgusting Nigerean' sounds awfully specific to me, do Nigereans look prominantly different from people from other African nations? The only negative stereotype I'm familiar with in regards to Nigereans is the old 'I'm a Nigerean prince' scam (which I somehow doubt was applicable in this situation).

Somehow I get the feeling that we haven't heard the whole of the situation and that there may be more to this.