Who cares... If that kid had died it would have been 1 less future criminal in the world, really I wished that runt had died.Dango said:Still, he could have killed the kid if he had dropped him on his head. Responding to a violent person with more violence is natural, but it's not necessary. If Casey didn't retaliate and the video made it onto the internet, then the bully would have no doubt been expelled and his friends suspended.Dana22 said:No. We are praising self-defense. Notice that after a bully got thrown on the ground, that kid just walked away, while he could beat him up some more. I respect him for that.Dango said:So we're celebrating and praising a kid for pile-driving a smaller kid into the ground?
Wow man, you know some people actually mature as they grow up. I'd hate to see your crime and punishment policy on minors if you were a dictator somewhere.Random Fella said:Who cares... If that kid had died it would have been 1 less future criminal in the world, really I wished that runt had died.Dango said:Still, he could have killed the kid if he had dropped him on his head. Responding to a violent person with more violence is natural, but it's not necessary. If Casey didn't retaliate and the video made it onto the internet, then the bully would have no doubt been expelled and his friends suspended.Dana22 said:No. We are praising self-defense. Notice that after a bully got thrown on the ground, that kid just walked away, while he could beat him up some more. I respect him for that.Dango said:So we're celebrating and praising a kid for pile-driving a smaller kid into the ground?
Grahav said:Takes a lot of selfcontrol to do that instead of just mashing him.Dana22 said:No. We are praising self-defense. Notice that after a bully got thrown on the ground, that kid just walked away, while he could beat him up some more. I respect him for that.Dango said:So we're celebrating and praising a kid for pile-driving a smaller kid into the ground?
NOT Maori'sAgentNein said:Wow man, you know some people actually mature as they grow up. I'd hate to see your crime and punishment policy on minors if you were a dictator somewhere.
I can't believe you went out of you way to quote this when I removed the post entirely. What more do I need to do to stop seeing messages from this tread pop up in my inbox I mean jesus. And for the record, I was bullied almost constantly throughout middle school and for a good chunk of highschool as well.Darkauthor81 said:This is a modern society where bullying is tolerated, even expected. So when we see a bully's actions get him something other than a shrug from uncaring adults, we cheer. Sadly the well deserved retribution comes in the form of violence from the victim who's sick of no one in authority caring what happens to him.Internet Kraken said:I'm so glad that as a modern society we celebrate acts of violence rather than being, you know, civilized.
I really don't get why this has garnered so much attention though. Not the first time something like this has happened.
We live in a society where "Watch your own back, the problem of others is just that. The problem of someone other than me." Victims have to take things into their own hands when the people who are even paid to protect them still don't give a damn.
We who have been victims ourselves, you obviously haven't been, understand this. And yes, we cheer when the tormentor gets the table turned on him.
Quote for the truth.Matt_LRR said:I have to side with penny-arcade [http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2011/3/18/] on this one.
It is impossible to condone the pile-driver, especially since he came within about an inch of dropping the bully straight on his head and killing him, but it's equally impossible not to side with casey for striking back in a definitive way.
bully got schooled, bully deserved to get schooled. Im just really glad no one was seriously hurt, because it could easily have gone terribly wrong, and casey would undoubtely be facing charges if it had.
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Vivendel said:I really understand all the people pledging their support to this kid, but aren't we forgetting that bullys often are victims themselves. I'm not saying that to excuse their behaviour, but seriously, lack of empathy is not cured by getting your ass kicked.
*on a completely unrelated note
(Hidden, politically incorrect cheering for that awesome kid)
The little snot was nowhere near getting killed. He landed on his side: an arm or shoulder injury was more likely, not counting getting his ankle slammed on the bench. Now whether that was by design or luck I don't know, but I don't particularly care either. He met his attack head on and ended the threat to his person.Eico said:If someone punches you in the stomach, you sure as fuck can't near kill them by slamming them into the ground.
And what would that achieve, exactly? Casey would be told to man up and the bully would get a slap on the wrist (if anything at all, remember it would be Casey's word against everyone else's) As far as the bully is concerned, nothing of consequence would happen. While a bodyslam may have been a bit over the top, I can't really fault him for taking the matter into his own hands.danpascooch said:Yelled at the top of his lungs for a teacher.Doctor Glocktor said:What do YOU suggest he should've done after he grabbed the little shit, then? Put him down nicely?danpascooch said:You realize that self defense requires appropriate levels of force right? That is, only enough to remove the threat of harm to yourself.Royas said:Use the terminology correctly. For it to be murder, there has to be intent to kill. What this would be (if the little bastard had croaked it) is manslaughter. Killed by accident, with no intent to do so, combined with it being self-defense. Manslaughter, and low level manslaughter at that. It may seem to be nit picking, but the different crimes exist because the differences are bloody important.danpascooch said:So bullying means you deserve to get murdered? You'd support murder in response to bullying? Seriously?ecoho said:you were never bullied were you?Dango said:Still, he could have killed the kid if he had dropped him on his head. Responding to a violent person with more violence is natural, but it's not necessary. If Casey didn't retaliate and the video made it onto the internet, then the bully would have no doubt been expelled and his friends suspended.Dana22 said:No. We are praising self-defense. Notice that after a bully got thrown on the ground, that kid just walked away, while he could beat him up some more. I respect him for that.Dango said:So we're celebrating and praising a kid for pile-driving a smaller kid into the ground?
if you were you would know that this does NOT stop till you make them. the system in place doesnt work these kids would probily have said he started it and the teachers would have beleaved them due to the fact there are more of them.
i aggree that this could have gone bad but if he had killed the prick (and yes he is a prick) it would have been manslauter in self defense. Now if this would of happened it would of been tragic that a kid who was bullied killed someone when he didnt mean to but to be fair had it happened it was his own fault and while tragic would have been fully suported by my slef and most people i know.danpascooch said:Alright no, this is not alright.
We all want to stand up to bullies, and a good punch to the face would have been great, but this could have literally killed the guy if he landed just a little bit differently.
It is sheer luck this didn't become a story about a murder, so no, it's not alright, I sympathize with the kid, and I do think he should have retaliated, but we shouldn't be praising him for using force that could have easily been lethal.
I get that capital punishment is a hot debate recently, but capital punishment for schoolyard bullying isn't a debate that anyone is having.
I think you need to get your priorities straight, do you want to live in a world where someone is justified to murder a school bully?
Casey got hit, several times. Casey defended himself, using appropriate force levels (non-lethal force versus non-lethal force, and yes, an unarmed body slam is considered non-lethal force). If the kid had gotten killed or badly hurt, that would have been too bad, but I'd have had to consider it a self inflicted injury. As it is, he's relatively unhurt, and maybe Casey will have fewer bullies to worry about in the future. I sure wouldn't want to mess with the guy.
Casey clearly removed the harm to himself when he grabbed the kid, the kid could no longer hit him, after removing the threat, Casey then proceeded to lift him and basically drop him on his head.
Much like you can't shoot someone in the face 5 times for slapping you, this was nowhere near "appropriate force levels"
Yes I know it doesn't sound as exciting as "Slam the fucker onto the ground head-fucking-first" but we live in the real world, dropping someone on their head is a great way to be sent to jail for murder.