KONY 2012 [seriously important you guys check this out]. Now with more facts!
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Yeah I'm just gonna go ahead and quote what I said in another thread about this.
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Seriously people, stuff like this has been going on for decades. Things aren't gonna change now just because a load of Facebook and Youtube users are aware of it.[/quote]
Good thing the legions of keyboard warriors are now aware eh? Truly the world can now begin to heal.
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Seriously people, stuff like this has been going on for decades. Things aren't gonna change now just because a load of Facebook and Youtube users are aware of it.[/quote]
Good thing the legions of keyboard warriors are now aware eh? Truly the world can now begin to heal.
I'm not about to knock a movement to remove such an evil man from his position of power. That's not what this is about.
However, looking over the wikipedia page on Kony [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Kony], he's already an internationally recognized war criminal, efforts have been made to cut his resources where possible, we have US military troops acting as advisers in Central Africa to the people working to take him down, and the only reason Kony isn't dead or in prison (but come one, we all know they'll kill him) yet is because he's pretty good at hiding and running away.
Sure, awareness may have been somewhat low prior to this, but what difference will a bunch of people knowing Kony exists actually make? Short of a full-on occupation of Uganda (which will NOT be a popular idea any time soon), I can't see how the UN isn't already doing what it can to get this guy. Hell, the US Senate and House UNANIMOUSLY voted for President Obama's plan, and that NEVER happens.
So if I'm missing some piece of the puzzle here, can someone enlighten me? Right now, and I know this is such a cynical thing to think, but right now this Kony Awareness campaign seems more like a fad so people can feel good about themselves while ultimately doing nothing. I hate thinking like that, but I calls 'em as I sees 'em.
However, looking over the wikipedia page on Kony [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Kony], he's already an internationally recognized war criminal, efforts have been made to cut his resources where possible, we have US military troops acting as advisers in Central Africa to the people working to take him down, and the only reason Kony isn't dead or in prison (but come one, we all know they'll kill him) yet is because he's pretty good at hiding and running away.
Sure, awareness may have been somewhat low prior to this, but what difference will a bunch of people knowing Kony exists actually make? Short of a full-on occupation of Uganda (which will NOT be a popular idea any time soon), I can't see how the UN isn't already doing what it can to get this guy. Hell, the US Senate and House UNANIMOUSLY voted for President Obama's plan, and that NEVER happens.
So if I'm missing some piece of the puzzle here, can someone enlighten me? Right now, and I know this is such a cynical thing to think, but right now this Kony Awareness campaign seems more like a fad so people can feel good about themselves while ultimately doing nothing. I hate thinking like that, but I calls 'em as I sees 'em.
Well theyre doing a hell of a lot more than you are. It may be fruitless, drop in the bucket kind of shit and I do agre with whoever brought up "slacktivism", but what I dont get is why youre giving people shit for trying to change something. Is it because you want them to be as lazy as you all are?[/quote]SurfinTaxt said:
Changing something? Here's what people have been doing:
1) Sharing/liking a Youtube video.
2) Posting about how terrible things over there are. While they're not wrong in that regard, they don't seem to be aware that that stuff has been going on for DECADES and they never gave it a second thought before this bandwagon came along.
3) Increasing the funds of a "charity" organisation who apparently keep around 80% of the money they recieve.
Don't get me wrong now, I in no way support or agree with the kinds of things that have been happening that are highlighted in the video. And I'm well aware that there are people in the world who work and care and make an effort to make things better.
The people making Facebook statuses and not shutting up about that damn video are not those people. All they're doing is saying "LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME! I CARE! SEE HOW MUCH I CARE BY LIKING THIS STATUS!"
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This right here oh so many times over.Jack the Potato said:
/facepalm.SurfinTaxt said:
My commentary on hipsters cannot be irrelevant if that was the only point I was making. What your doing is the equivilent oflooking at Thanksgiving dinner, and complaining about the cranberry sauce being from a can instead of fresh and claiming the entire dinner is ruined.
Simply put, you can strike the colorful embellishment, because it has so little or nothing to do with the point I made. EDIT:Im not even defending it as being accurate or not because its absolutely irrelevant to my point and the point of the thread./edit .Che was a marxist, Che viewed capitalism as his enemy, Hipsters are the penultimate embodiment of what Che fought against? Saying that he would have shot them in the face without blinking is nothing more than colorful language to say "Hey these people are my enemy. I kill my enemies"
Ive said what Ive intended to. If you cannot discern what I mean from this, then there is no way I can make it any more clear to you and I apologize for my lack of eloquence. However I wont continue to derail the thread So why not let this thread remain on track of KONY please instead of taking umbrage at what you perceive to be an insult against a guy who was responsible for the death of a whole lot of people in both action and instruction.
Yeah, a charity that only gives 31% of funds to the actual cause, refuses to let an independent party look at their finances and supports the Ugandan military, an army accused of raping, pillaging and recruiting child soldiers themselves, is not a good charity. It may be speculation that they're bad, but you shouldn't be willing to jump into a charity that may be doing more harm than good.
I've already had this discussion on Facebook and it was pretty good. I don't think it'll follow through but I've seen some events that look like it might. I'm still sceptical that the video and public support will do much, but it'll be pretty cool if it does.
I've already had this discussion on Facebook and it was pretty good. I don't think it'll follow through but I've seen some events that look like it might. I'm still sceptical that the video and public support will do much, but it'll be pretty cool if it does.
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One of my mates showed me this yesterday. Sure, Kony isn't a good guy by any means, but the company who started this "Kony 2012" business aren't angels themselves, either.
One of my mates showed me this yesterday. Sure, Kony isn't a good guy by any means, but the company who started this "Kony 2012" business aren't angels themselves, either.
As well as this, the people they're supporting (the Uganda People's Defence Force) are also the target of accusations of raping and looting. Wow. Nice choice, guys. But just read the blog post - it has quite a lot to say.Genuine Evil said:
Appreciate linking the source, I'll stick it in the OP, cheers:].Genuine Evil said:
Also you avatar is glorious<3.
Yeah that link's already in the OP man.AbstractJuggler said:
The sentiment is nice but as other people have noticed it is often simply used as a vapid ego booster for people to think they are charitable but are actually kinda lazy. There is also the fact that Africa and Uganda in particularly is a very very complicated situation. Just how exactly are you meant to deal with this guy? How far can you trust say the Ugandan government particularly when Kony isn't even in their anymore, etc.
With all this Kony posts, tweets and crap, I finally saw something that told me what Kony WAS without expecting me to just jump into the suggested media offered to me.
I thought he was running for President or something with all times I've seen his name without any additional information.
I'll give this video a check now because of BlueBerryMUNCH.
I thought he was running for President or something with all times I've seen his name without any additional information.
I'll give this video a check now because of BlueBerryMUNCH.
Interesting o.o. I'll stick all that in the OP too, appreciate the help.Genuine Evil said:
Aaaah it's all a load of rubbish over there init, bleh. Makes me thankful for the small degree of stability our countries have, eh.
Eh...I don't really care, I don't mean to say I can't empathise with their problems because I can but this is nothing new. The only reason people seem to be getting so worked up is because it just happens to be viral and I don't want to just jump on a bandwagon.
What about all of the other horrible warlords in that live around there? Of which there are many. Should we not give a shit about their crimes?
The company that made this video only gives around 30% of their profits to the actual charity that they promote, most of it went to huge salaries, pre/post production costs to the videos and expensive rents for the classy apartments they live in. Does that sound like they really care about their own cause?
Not to sound uncaring but this is just another one of those "internet events" and I promise it will die out in maybe as little as a couple of weeks. I probably should be more involved but why should I target this one guy of the dozens of other tyrants?
What about all of the other horrible warlords in that live around there? Of which there are many. Should we not give a shit about their crimes?
The company that made this video only gives around 30% of their profits to the actual charity that they promote, most of it went to huge salaries, pre/post production costs to the videos and expensive rents for the classy apartments they live in. Does that sound like they really care about their own cause?
Not to sound uncaring but this is just another one of those "internet events" and I promise it will die out in maybe as little as a couple of weeks. I probably should be more involved but why should I target this one guy of the dozens of other tyrants?