Korean Ex-Defense Minister Says Crisis "Isn't StarCraft"

[ryo02]

Press: What is the government doing about the lack of jobs and the current economic failure?

Obama: This isn't Sim City.

Oooooo

Seriously though, it's amazing that George Bush drives into this hole and people are complaining more about how Obama is getting us out of it too slowly.

How about the fact that it's getting better? That's lost on most people.

Getting out slowly? How about digging deeper? That's lost on some people.

yeah but if he fixes it and builds great cities full of happy people its only a matter of time before he gets bored and sets giant robots on us (well not me Im English) causes earth quakes and tornadoes.

 

[cobrausn]

I don't mean to be offensive, but I get very annoyed when people dismiss evidence as coming from a biased source that it did not come from, and then counter with a vague opinion with no cited supporting evidence, it's exactly this sort of ignorance that is being fed to people through Fox News, and if someone posts it, I WILL counter it to the very best of my ability using actual cited evidence.

And you failed; it's your partisan blindness offends me, not your attitude.

http://buzz.yahoo.com/article/1:washington_po284:10949c0d600a3f48d2adb4745f65d9b2/Obama-administration-gives-billions-in-stimulus-money-without-environmental-safeguards

http://buzz.yahoo.com/article/1:f6c76bfb2c02552aace2317159001d09:d5f97e5b8060ca90f5f20e579c5615a3/Official-Obama-to-freeze-pay-for-federal-employees

Ignore the fact that it's yahoo buzz, the articles themselves are still solid.

I'll break it down in such a way that even partisan blindness can't stop my point from getting through. Bailouts and stimulus spend government money to boost industry. Those on the receiving end of the bailout (Wall Street, Rich Guy and Co.) benefit the most, but it also 'creates' jobs in the short term, as seen in your graph, even if it did come from Nancy Pelosi (You're right, a so much more nonbiased source...).

Notice the later drop, after the initial slowing of job loss and that short term of job creation. The reason for that is pretty simple as well - the money that was used to shore up the economy runs out, and that artificial inflation we were seeing goes away. The economy is then left to rest on it's own merits, which at this point, sucks. Those jobs we got start to fade. In addition, we now have to answer for several trillion dollars in debt (as discussed in my linked article), which means lost jobs and increased taxes, which causes more lost jobs. Nothing vague about it, it started today (federal freeze article, linke above). And all those trillions of dollars in debt? Well, we pay for it, as usual. It's like taking out one credit card to pay for another. Sure, you get a short boost and your lifestyle remains consistent, but you didn't answer the root problem.

During the Bush years, lack of oversight and war debt caused an economic problem. A willingness to bail out those responsible (both by Bush and Obama) made it worse. A willingness to continue spending trillions of taxpayer dollars on 'reform' (which will ultimately cost industry billions, by their own admission) does the same. Bush made it pretty bad. Obama ignored his pledge of bipartisanship and made it worse, and we are going to have to answer to all his reckless spending.

Do yourself a favor and vote Libertarian.

 

[cobrausn]

Wait...so you're saying the President isn't responsible for the economy, but at the same time, Obama is to blame for the economy getting worse?

I'm confused.

Worded it badly. Please see my immediate reply (above) for a better reply. Now that I'm not at work, I had time to think before ragetyping.

 

[cobrausn]

Wait, the chart is from 2007? So the chart is basically pure BS?

No, but I question it's integrity for another reason. As you can see, it comes directly from the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi.

We all know the sayings about politicians and talking...

 

[beniki]

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

South Korean national Starcraft champs should be brought in for military tactical advising.

OK whats the build order to deal with the 4-6 million dead in Seoul from the NKs opening chemical artillery barge. The short range missiles will start to fall on major South Korean ports, again armed with chemical weapons, thats another 2 million dead. 20 - 30 seconds later the missiles start falling on Japan, another 2 million gone. 40 minutes later the long range missiles start landing on the west coast, this time with 20-30 kiloton nukes. Seattle, LA, San Francisco and San Diego are hit. They are only small nukes thats only 500000 dead each, so only another 2 million gone. The war is only 1 hour old and 12 are million dead. It really isn't Star Craft.

You do Realize its NORTH KOREA? They are still using equipment from before the 50's. their missile program is an utter joke and when a whole company of men only has ONE set of cold weather gear it just makes things pathetic. Most of their veihicles have been sitting in caves for 30+ years and hasn't been turned on (let alone repaired) since then. Yes they have a million man army but when that army is North Korea versus the UN their pretty much fucked.

OT: This just made my day

Their missile program isn't that much of a joke. They can effectively hit Japan, and routinely prove it by dropping 'test' missiles just off the Japanese coast line. The scary thing is that they're pretty confident in their out-dated stuff, and have a leader insane enough to actually try using them, and even more terrifying, can't back down once he starts because otherwise he'll lose his grip on the country.

And it's not so much the North Koreans people are concerned about... it's the big, big, big country that backs them. Right now, China is in the process of realising that working with other countries instead of bull dozing them is easier and makes them rich. But it's early days, and if an ideologically similar ally gets curb stomped by a capitalist coalition, they will have to respond.

So yeah... certainly not Star Craft.

 

[Risingblade]

Starcraft is serious business o.o

 

[s0m3th1ng]

I read that as "Says Crysis "Isn't Starcraft"" and honestly it made far more sense.

Freaking ditto.
'Reads post'
OHHhhhh...

 

[s0m3th1ng]

a strange game. the only winning move is not to play.

Matthew Broderick ftw.

 

[Danpascooch]

I don't mean to be offensive, but I get very annoyed when people dismiss evidence as coming from a biased source that it did not come from, and then counter with a vague opinion with no cited supporting evidence, it's exactly this sort of ignorance that is being fed to people through Fox News, and if someone posts it, I WILL counter it to the very best of my ability using actual cited evidence.

And you failed; it's your partisan blindness offends me, not your attitude.

http://buzz.yahoo.com/article/1:washington_po284:10949c0d600a3f48d2adb4745f65d9b2/Obama-administration-gives-billions-in-stimulus-money-without-environmental-safeguards

http://buzz.yahoo.com/article/1:f6c76bfb2c02552aace2317159001d09:d5f97e5b8060ca90f5f20e579c5615a3/Official-Obama-to-freeze-pay-for-federal-employees

Ignore the fact that it's yahoo buzz, the articles themselves are still solid.

I'll break it down in such a way that even partisan blindness can't stop my point from getting through. Bailouts and stimulus spend government money to boost industry. Those on the receiving end of the bailout (Wall Street, Rich Guy and Co.) benefit the most, but it also 'creates' jobs in the short term, as seen in your graph, even if it did come from Nancy Pelosi.

Notice the later drop, after the initial slowing of job loss and that short term of job creation. The reason for that is pretty simple as well - the money that was used to shore up the economy runs out, and that artificial inflation we were seeing goes away. The economy is then left to rest on it's own merits, which at this point, sucks. Those jobs we got start to fade. In addition, we now have to answer for several trillion dollars in debt (as discussed in my linked article), which means lost jobs and increased taxes, which causes more lost jobs. Nothing vague about it, it started today (federal freeze article, linke above). And all those trillions of dollars in debt? Well, we pay for it, as usual. It's like taking out one credit card to pay for another. Sure, you get a short boost and your lifestyle remains consistent, but you didn't answer the root problem.

During the Bush years, lack of oversight and war debt caused an economic problem. A willingness to bail out those responsible (both by Bush and Obama) made it worse. A willingness to continue spending trillions of taxpayer dollars on 'reform' (which will ultimately cost industry billions, by their own admission) does the same. Bush made it pretty bad. Obama ignored his pledge of bipartisanship and made it worse, and we are going to have to answer to all his reckless spending.

Do yourself a favor and vote Libertarian.

Are you getting the impression that I am Liberal? Or a Democrat? I've always been an independent, I'm just leaning toward Obama because he is a rational leader, and not the Republicans who have to resort to cheap scare tactics and buzz phrases like "death panels". If anything has pushed me to my current opinions it's Fox News, only not in the way they intended, I'm just so fucking sick of seeing Glen Beck hold up Swastica's and communist symbols when talking about people he disagrees with.

Oh, I see you do actually know where the graph came from, so it looks like you weren't ignorant, you just blatantly lied.

Also, a one month drop means absolutely nothing, no data is constant, small variations occur constantly. You do realize that if we start cutting back on everything and organize all of our efforts toward paying the debt, not only will we fail, but our infrastructure, employment figures, and currency value will all crumble in the process. Better to spend money now to increase jobs so that we have a stable enough economy to actually pay off the debt, rather than cut back on everything, pay off half the debt, and fall into poverty in the process.

The problem is, we don't have the MEANS to answer the root problem in our current economic condition, we need to spend this money to put us in a position where we have the means to fix the root source (a position where the economy is healthy due to EMPLOYMENT GROWTH as evidenced by the graph), rather than half ass it and then die.

The problem is, we don't have trillions of dollars right now, and no amount of penny pinching is going to fix that, the only way we can fix it is by investing in our own economy until it is robust enough to generate the funds we need.

As per the OT, Obama is taking a "Turtle" approach rather than a "Zerg Rush"

 

[Horben]

This may not be Starcraft, but Jong-Ill is still a baneling.

 

[MR T3D]

On the other hand, if it WAS Starcraft, North Korea would be in huge trouble.

Naaah, they Zerg rush.

A Zerg rush would be an epic fail considering the massive number of spider mines in the DMZ. I also don't think that North Korea has enough Vespene gas for air units. But yeah, if war really was StarCraft, N. Korea would be screwed. There's too many many StarCraft jokes I could come up with so I'll just stop here.

I dunno man, I saw a ghost academy in their base, if they got the gase for cloak+nuke....
this is more like TvT, with NK being VERY marine-heavy


but yeah, this statement is the korean equivalent of obama saying something like "this isn't little league"

 

[Plurralbles]

Press: What is the government doing about the lack of jobs and the current economic failure?

Obama: This isn't Sim City.

well... it's true. He can't just arbitrarily decide something goes somewhere and he doesn't control everything or really anything. It's a great thing to say and if everyone in the world understood this reference I'm pretty sure they'd start giving him a little bit of a break and not say, "IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT!"

I really like this guy. It's a shame he resigned. He sounds really good.

 

[Moromillas]

He's right, it's more like Civilization V.

 

[UnderCoverGuest]

Oh. Well that was actually quite tame and in a way culturally understandable and serious. Groovy.

 

[Lullabye]

I wonder if they'll include Nkorea in the next Civilization game?
Anywho, no, this certinly isn't star craft. More like....Korea: Total War 2.

 

[Death916]

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

South Korean national Starcraft champs should be brought in for military tactical advising.

OK whats the build order to deal with the 4-6 million dead in Seoul from the NKs opening chemical artillery barge. The short range missiles will start to fall on major South Korean ports, again armed with chemical weapons, thats another 2 million dead. 20 - 30 seconds later the missiles start falling on Japan, another 2 million gone. 40 minutes later the long range missiles start landing on the west coast, this time with 20-30 kiloton nukes. Seattle, LA, San Francisco and San Diego are hit. They are only small nukes thats only 500000 dead each, so only another 2 million gone. The war is only 1 hour old and 12 are million dead. It really isn't Star Craft.

im fairly sure they wouldnt risk nuclear warfare, we all know who's got the big stick in that fight..

 

[TimeLord]

Videogames stop wars!

 

[Mr.Gompers]

Take a look at this chart on lost jobs from 2007 to present

You can actually see the outrageous loss of jobs under the Bush administration slow to a halt.

Bush started with JOBS BEING GAINED and steadily increased the rate of lost jobs till the end of his presidency, when Obama came in and brought the runaway collapse of the economy to halt.

I can't wait to hear you argue that people having jobs isn't an important part of an economy being healthy.

Wait, the chart is from 2007? So the chart is basically pure BS?

No, it charts the employment rate dating back to 2007.[/quote]

Ah, my apologies. I misread the chart and jumped the gun.

 

[cobrausn]

Are you getting the impression that I am Liberal? Or a Democrat? I've always been an independent, I'm just leaning toward Obama because he is a rational leader, and not the Republicans who have to resort to cheap scare tactics and buzz phrases like "death panels". If anything has pushed me to my current opinions it's Fox News, only not in the way they intended, I'm just so fucking sick of seeing Glen Beck hold up Swastica's and communist symbols when talking about people he disagrees with.

You come off as both for Obama and anti-Fox News, which leans you into one camp if I were to categorize you. But you say you're independent so I'll buy that. I'm leaning conservative right now (note 'conservative', not 'Republican') because I disagree with Obama and the Democrat's economic policies. Don't take the extremist and use that to represent anyone who disagrees with you. Glenn Beck is a crazy person, but not every person who doesn't like Obama is Glenn Beck. I'd go so far as to say that the media is focusing on these right-wing extremists so much in order to paint Obama as the only reasonable option.

If you want to see reasonable and Republican, look at Ron Paul. Level-headed conservatives like him are worth their weight in gold in D.C., as are fiscally minded Democrats... we seem to have lost all of those. Well, at least until this most recent election.

Oh, I see you do actually know where the graph came from, so it looks like you weren't ignorant, you just blatantly lied.

I guarantee you it wasn't Nancy Pelosi who came up with those numbers, probably some interns. Appointed interns. Who either work for her or the White House. And I 'Lied' because I was at work and typing quickly. The source remains partisan.

Also, a one month drop means absolutely nothing, no data is constant, small variations occur constantly. You do realize that if we start cutting back on everything and organize all of our efforts toward paying the debt, not only will we fail, but our infrastructure, employment figures, and currency value will all crumble in the process. Better to spend money now to increase jobs so that we have a stable enough economy to actually pay off the debt, rather than cut back on everything, pay off half the debt, and fall into poverty in the process.

Whose to say three years isn't a small variation? Why just one month? Look at a graph of the U.S. GDP over decades and you see fluctuations everywhere, but it fairly constantly increases. The same has been occuring with the debt and our tax rates. I see these as connected.

We don't need to organize all efforts into paying the debt. But you can't simultaneously increase the debt and say you're working towards paying it off. Glenn Beck makes you rage? I rage when I heard about the trillions (think about that number) of dollars being spent on bailouts and health care 'reform', and they still talked about 'working towards paying off the debt'. It's asinine. Charging 1000 dollars on your card that's already 1000 in the red and then saying you have a plan to pay off 500 of it does not make you responsible, it makes you crazy.

If your current taxes are as high as you are willing to accept (and they should be, we have the highest individual and corporate tax rate in the developed world), then you don't increase the debt. You will never pay it off without putting us through exactly what we're trying to avoid, losing jobs and deflating the value of your currency in the process.

The problem is, we don't have the MEANS to answer the root problem in our current economic condition, we need to spend this money to put us in a position where we have the means to fix the root source (a position where the economy is healthy due to EMPLOYMENT GROWTH as evidenced by the graph), rather than half ass it and then die.

The problem is, we don't have trillions of dollars right now, and no amount of penny pinching is going to fix that, the only way we can fix it is by investing in our own economy until it is robust enough to generate the funds we need.

We do. If we stopped blowing so much money on Welfare (57% of budget) and Warfare (29% of budget), we'd be fine. But we didn't, and so here we are, trillions in debt and getting more and more that way each time someone in D.C. opens their mouth. Artificially inflating the job numbers for a period of time with a government lifeline doesn't help anything, it just prolongs the 'good times' to ensure things look good. As stated before, when that money runs out the economy has to stand on it's own, and then someone has to start paying the bills. Someone meaning you and me.

 

[DSK-]

Perhaps they just needed to spawn more overlords?

OT: It's a nice comment though, makes sense that he would use Starcraft as an example