Leaked Modern Warfare 2 Opening Will Be Controversial

[Tdc2182]

So let me get this straight. It is perfectly acceptable to watch people get killed in any number of horrific ways in a movie or on the news. It is OK to read about people being killed brutally in a book, but having it as part of a video game is somehow wrong?

A video game is an interactive story, nothing more.

Games are alot more personal, especially as it's a FPS, and you have a small degree of control over your actions.
It's not the same as killing in films, TV shows or books, but it's not wrong either.

You make really good points bud. I'm still gonna get the game but what you said earlier about this being a little outside our comfort zone, I agree. Games like fallout our pure fiction, you have the choice to be evil but its in a slightly (for use of a better word)comical way. I think it would be acceptable if you aren't allowed to shoot at anyone and just watch. It is a ballsy and pretty mature move on IW's part, they must have known people would get mad. A little excuse for IW, you only shoot men, no women, no children.

 

[stopcrying]

if you want to see the videos were they never get taking down. go to http://www.gamedat.blogspot.com

 

[Pimppeter2]

This looks sick, I actually might get this game

 

[Nightfall2021]

I personally think this is a strong move for IW, you get to really see who you are fighting. How evil they are, how willing they are to kill innocents to further their cause. They could have done it simply by non-interactive scene like the first game, but they took it a step further.

There will be a reason for this scene, I bet he is a "plant" or someone who is undercover. But, we will see.

As for kids playing the game, that is not IW's fault. Parents can easily see the warning on the box.

 

[Lithium Calibre]

Huzzah someone gets it!

 

[Dyp100]

I personally think this is a strong move for IW, you get to really see who you are fighting. How evil they are, how willing they are to kill innocents to further their cause. They could have done it simply by non-interactive scene like the first game, but they took it a step further.

There will be a reason for this scene, I bet he is a "plant" or someone who is undercover. But, we will see.

As for kids playing the game, that is not IW's fault. Parents can easily see the warning on the box.

Haha, that would make sense if he doesn't get heat shot at the end. xD (Hope I'm not spoiling anything, but it's in the vid...So yeah.)

 

[JusticarPhaeton]

A bold move on IW's part, if this is real. I've always detested how FPS games set in a somewhat modern era always involved you slaughtering hordes and hordes of a politically appropriate enemy to kill - zombie nazi aliens. But oh, the horror if you ever had to, you know, kill real people who believed in what they were fighting for just as much as you did.

Even though it's for entertainment, I think a war game of sorts which strikes a little closer to home and points out that killing people is killing people should be released every now and then. Don't get me wrong, I play violent games as much as the next fellow, but it's become pretty apparent that videogames are now beginning to cross over to the realm of art and storytelling much more easily nowadays, and that they should definitely be treated as such.

 

[KaiRai]

Game looks awesome.

As for controversy? Well, I know what I don't like, I don't buy.
Want to train as a terrorist? It's not happening on your xbox.

 

[mechanixis]

Watching the video my overwhelming thought was "What the FUCK are you THINKING Infinity Ward"

Don't get me wrong, I see the statement they're trying to make, and it's bold and admirable. "Modern war is ugly and savage, and not just entertaining shootouts." But...that can't really expect anyone in the mass media to understand what they're saying, can they? All that people are going to take away from this is that it's a terrorism sim where murdering innocents is a form of entertainment.

It wasn't the scene of storming an airport being programmed into the game that appalled me, it was the player voluntarily joining in and gunning down civilians as they were trying to crawl away. Because the game isn't MAKING kids into bad people...it's showing us that they already ARE. Maybe people will argue that it's just a game and not a reflection on the player to kill imaginary innocents for no other reason than wanting to shoot at something while moving through the level, but god...the game is designed for maximum immersion and realism. It's not the mindless, easy, stupid violence of GTA or Fallout; you're marching deliberately through an airport machinegunning people with all the indiscriminate prejudice of a highschool shooting. If that isn't some reflection on the player, what is?

 

[Snowalker]

Holy shit....

If that isn't some reflection on the player, what is?

A mirror.

 

[Canton]

It wasn't the scene of storming an airport being programmed into the game that appalled me, it was the player voluntarily joining in and gunning down civilians as they were trying to crawl away. Because the game isn't MAKING kids into bad people...it's showing us that they already ARE. Maybe people will argue that it's just a game and not a reflection on the player to kill imaginary innocents for no other reason than wanting to shoot at something while moving through the level, but god...the game is designed for maximum immersion and realism. It's not the mindless, easy, stupid violence of GTA or Fallout; you're marching deliberately through an airport machinegunning people with all the indiscriminate prejudice of a highschool shooting. If that isn't some reflection on the player, what is?

I think you're reading too much into it. A person's actions in a virtual environment does not necessarily mirror what tendencies he would have in real life, especially if he's aware that it is just a virtual world.

Add to that the fact that in the video, the player is put in the role of a terrorist; basically being told to act out the role. By shooting, the player is simply playing his part, acting out what he thinks a terrorist would do. Much like an actor in a movie role-playing a character.

 

[Tdc2182]

You make really good points bud.

I think it would be acceptable if you aren't allowed to shoot at anyone and just watch.

Your suggestion would make it acceptable to more people. But just because it's a mainstream game doesn't mean it should have to be trying to please everyone, even if it's expected to.

A little excuse for IW, you only shoot men, no women, no children.

Just out of interest, why only men? I understand that children would be way too big of a step. But why not women? Why do men deserve to be shot more than women?

Im bad at ordering points like you do so I will be lazy.
2nd point.) To tell you the truth, although I do find it a little over the top, I think it was actaully pretty smart and a bold new move. It was interesting.

3rd point) I'm old fashion and find women and children the image of innocence. Its just my opinion and I do view it as destroying something delicate and precious. (I swear I'm not a sexist)

 

[CKalvin]

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is it just me or are the vids on http://www.gamedat.blogspot.com been taken down as well =(



ps. this is the greatest thing to happen in a videogame. The fact is with the PHENOMENAL amount of press around MW2, IW have the chance to pretty much implement whatever they want, including a test of how fucked up gamers' moral compasses are.

 

[Jsnoopy]

I'm not reading or looking at this, though I'm taking a wild guess and saying that its pretty fucking cool. The opening video to COD4 was epic, I still watch it sometimes, 2years later, when I fire up that game.

 

[dagens24]

It's a Russian airport and you don't play a terrorist, you're an undercover CIA agent. Sorry if this has been said. Didn't read the entire thread.

 

[mlkjhgfds]

For more context, the guy who seemingly gives you the mission at the start of the video is speaking in french. Rough translation :

"... blah blah. Two men eliminated a whole base. I'm going to ask you to do even more. Yesterday you were a soldier on the front. But today, the front is over. Uniforms too. War is everywhere and there will be victims.

Makarov fights for himself and obeys no law. He has no limits, backs down from nothing. Torture, human traffic, genocide. He isn't guided by any ideal respects no flag, no country, he trades blood for money.

He's your new friend. I won't tell you what it cost to bring you next to him. It'll cost you a part of yourself. Which is nothing compared to everything you'll save."

[loading time?]

"God bless us." and "blah blah russian".

 

[SilentHunter7]

This is not going to happen in a mainstream title such as Modern Warfare 2.

Why not? Why shouldn't mainstream titles strive to elevate video games as a form of interactive storytelling through darker and more adult means?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/91256-Update-Konami-Backs-Out-of-Fallujah

That's why. People suck, and the last generation can't seem to wrap their heads around the fact that games don't cause gun violence. Lousy parenting, and a failure to buy triggerlocks cause gun violence.