Let us reflect on the Trump years

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True but I think you are overestimating really want it takes for a disinformation campaign like this. We haven't really had a politician just try blatant lying about everything before and trying to just while he does have a big rabid fanbase, I get the feeling a lot of them, including the people who stormed the capital didn't really understand what they were doing and that it was even a crime. We already see the turtle trying to distance the republican party from trump, if hes willing to possible stick out losing the mid terms then they can probably do away with the trump name.
I don't think anyone's overestimating what it takes for a disinformation campaign. I think what we've been living through right now clearly indicates it's apparently a LOT easier than we ever thought, to whip up millions of people into a frenzy of denial and hate, so much so, that when they go too far, even for the wranglers of said mob, they refuse to even listen to them. I mean when everyone, EVERYONE but the demagogue they worship, is telling them "X didn't happen" and they instantly turn against those people too, despite all factual evidence to the contrary, you clearly have a population that is dying to be led by their most base desires and urges. I think what's happened has shown how easy it is to stir up that side into a frenzy, for entirely baseless reasons, that have been debunked, and refuted by members of their OWN PARTY. But hey God King Trump says it's all a lie, so they believe it. At this point, they are sustaining their own disinformation campaign without any need for outside stimulus.
 
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You're right, the people having delusions about Trump being a superhero don't validate the other's who think he's Hitler 2.0. Trump's own words and actions validate that just fine.
You thinking Trump is Hitler only feeds the people who believe the opposite.
 

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You thinking Trump is Hitler only feeds the people who believe the opposite.
Whether Trump is Hitler or not, liberals will like him in approximately 4-12 years, at which point we will naturally need to nominate another bland, uninspiring, centrist sex pest in order to win the Most Important Election in History against whichever white nationalist the Republicans will run.
 

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The Republican Party looked for ways to make the rich richer, ignore the poor, and encourage systemic racism.
The Democrats struggled to find an identity, and eventually chose a very old, worn out one.
Very little was achieved but a lot of people died.
As usual, large numbers of people found it very important to believe in things that were clearly made up.
Welcome to the Biden years which will be the same but a bit more humane and the President of the United States won't be so personally unpleasant.
 
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Whatever, just wash your hands.
I don't think anyone's overestimating what it takes for a disinformation campaign. I think what we've been living through right now clearly indicates it's apparently a LOT easier than we ever thought, to whip up millions of people into a frenzy of denial and hate, so much so, that when they go too far, even for the wranglers of said mob, they refuse to even listen to them. I mean when everyone, EVERYONE but the demagogue they worship, is telling them "X didn't happen" and they instantly turn against those people too, despite all factual evidence to the contrary, you clearly have a population that is dying to be led by their most base desires and urges. I think what's happened has shown how easy it is to stir up that side into a frenzy, for entirely baseless reasons, that have been debunked, and refuted by members of their OWN PARTY. But hey God King Trump says it's all a lie, so they believe it. At this point, they are sustaining their own disinformation campaign without any need for outside stimulus.
Its always been this easy, a lot of people don't realize it but its always been like this. Its generally why those in power here tend to choose their words carefully, trump really is the first time we have someone who was president who just had absolutely no decorum or interest in the spirit of the law, he barely had any interest in the letter of the law aside from the fact it could get him in trouble. Even with the riot, that only happened because of a lot less security then there should have been and even then those people were at like baby's first revolution, they needed to get pointers from antifa and blm. Its exactly what an unfocused mob looks like and how directly effective one is in the long term. Even with them appearing to get outside help they still were losers. We could have been in trouble if someone actually smart had done this and not pissed off their generals, we certainly would have seen how dedicated to staying out of domestic politics our military was.
 

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You thinking Trump is Hitler only feeds the people who believe the opposite.
Surre, it's fucking MY fault that they blindly believe anything that asshole says, to the exclusion of common sense, facts, and reality. And Hitler motivated his people, to demonize a group of people, by blaming them for every Wrong they felt they were afflicted with, despite it being complete bullshit. He riled them up and aimed them first, at his own country to take it over, through violence and killings, and once his political rivals were removed, his solidified his position of power. They felt they were justified in their actions due to the "dirty jews" being ungodly, servants of satan and all that shit, and that they were also trying to steal from the german people, everything they were rightly due. He stirred up their idea of national pride, tied it into their religious views, and painted a target on the other group, and basically set them loose to unleash hate and violence. And that's exactly what fucking happened with trump and the republican party. And anyone who thinks that's NOT the case, is a fucking idiot. And anyone who says that it's the OTHER people, the ones with the target that got painted on them, that's it's their fault the other side is the way they are, is also a fucking idiot.
 

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Surre, it's fucking MY fault that they blindly believe anything that asshole says,
You should at least be aware that demonizing and insulting only causes people to dig themselves further into their trenches. You share a part of the blame proportional to how much you refuse to empathize and connect with the other side.
 

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Does it really matter?
I kinda think Donald somewhat shattered the party. Most of his followers won't vote unless he is on the ballot, or they think the vote will automatically be rigged.
Couldn't they just write him on the ballot as a write-in anyway?

I know that's a thing in US elections, but I don't know all the rules and laws each state has regarding them.
 

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You're right, the people having delusions about Trump being a superhero don't validate the other's who think he's Hitler 2.0. Trump's own words and actions validate that just fine.
I actually agree with tstorm here, tho probably not in the same way. Trump is not a Hitler 2.0. Bargain bin Mussolini is more his league.

Now, perhaps someone will come tell me how wrong that is, but just to preface, I'll take that as seriously as I do Trump.
 
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I actually agree with tstorm here, tho probably not in the same way. Trump is not a Hitler 2.0. Bargain bin Mussolini is more his league.

Now, perhaps someone will come tell me how wrong that is, but just to preface, I'll take that as seriously as I do Trump.


As for Trump leaving, my reaction is this:



 
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Surre, it's fucking MY fault that they blindly believe anything that asshole says, to the exclusion of common sense, facts, and reality. And Hitler motivated his people, to demonize a group of people, by blaming them for every Wrong they felt they were afflicted with, despite it being complete bullshit. He riled them up and aimed them first, at his own country to take it over, through violence and killings, and once his political rivals were removed, his solidified his position of power. They felt they were justified in their actions due to the "dirty jews" being ungodly, servants of satan and all that shit, and that they were also trying to steal from the german people, everything they were rightly due. He stirred up their idea of national pride, tied it into their religious views, and painted a target on the other group, and basically set them loose to unleash hate and violence. And that's exactly what fucking happened with trump and the republican party. And anyone who thinks that's NOT the case, is a fucking idiot. And anyone who says that it's the OTHER people, the ones with the target that got painted on them, that's it's their fault the other side is the way they are, is also a fucking idiot.
There problem with your analogy is that you don't understand Hitler's rise to power. He didn't demonize a group of a people to gain power. He picked a fight with the group that people already resented. And it wasn't Jewish people he targeted, it was communists. Hitler gained power because people hated the communists with or without Hitler, and he took up that mantle and rode it to the top, from where he started picking any demographic he felt undesirable to remove.

The parallel I will give between Trump and Hitler is that they got power by picking fights with groups that the general public hates. In the case of Trump, who did he pick fights with? Oh, it was the media, the intellectuals, and the Democrats (but I repeat myself) who call every Republican a Nazi, and people hate that! So yes, it's your fault.
 

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See my point? He’s “gone” and we’re having the same arguments anyway. Nothing will change, not merely because Joe Biden doesn’t want to, but because the machinery of America that brought us to this moment is utterly incapable of presenting any alternative but more of this until it destroys itself in fire and blood. This is all America ever was. Woe to the conqueror, the war has come home.
 

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There problem with your analogy is that you don't understand Hitler's rise to power. He didn't demonize a group of a people to gain power. He picked a fight with the group that people already resented. And it wasn't Jewish people he targeted, it was communists. Hitler gained power because people hated the communists with or without Hitler, and he took up that mantle and rode it to the top, from where he started picking any demographic he felt undesirable to remove.

The parallel I will give between Trump and Hitler is that they got power by picking fights with groups that the general public hates. In the case of Trump, who did he pick fights with? Oh, it was the media, the intellectuals, and the Democrats (but I repeat myself) who call every Republican a Nazi, and people hate that! So yes, it's your fault.
I'd use the term '' people'' loosely' as Trump never managed to win those over. Not the majority at least. Throughout his term Trump was frequently hated far more then the group he opposed.
 

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I'd use the term '' people'' loosely' as Trump never managed to win those over. Not the majority at least. Throughout his term Trump was frequently hated far more then the group he opposed.
Or at least what's what the media wants you to believe.
 

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People need to stop comparing Doanld with Hitler since that is incredibly insulting against Hitler. That guy made good speeches and kept most of his promises. Donald is just a horrible 5 year old.
 

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I'd use the term '' people'' loosely' as Trump never managed to win those over. Not the majority at least. Throughout his term Trump was frequently hated far more then the group he opposed.
Hard disagree. Trump could lie every 10 seconds and he still never got me to yell "stop. lying." at the radio the way I frequently do with NPR. And that's some of the most reasonable media. I think in a poll of "who do you hate the most", the news beats basically any political figure.
 

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Or at least what's what the media wants you to believe.
Is there any reason to believe the openly corrupt businessman who bungled a pandemic would have a particularly good approval rating? Is there some way that the president who never won the popular vote is secretly widely beloved across the political spectrum?

You tell me.
 

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I reflect that these past 4 years, have seriously damaged my core of optimism, that has driven me my whole life. I've always felt that overall, on average, humanity is pretty cool, and trend towards improvement and community. But the bigoted, mouth breathing, hate spewing, chucklefucks of the republican party, now having an asshat they can rally behind, have proceeded to shit all over everything good, and claim they are the ones in the right about things. And it's frankly really soured me mentally. I mean, I'm still optimistic, because it seems that this little ragegasm of theirs might be at least mitigated, but, I mean millions of fuckwads continue to vote for that asshole, so it's not like they are going away any time soon. I believe true change doesn't really take place, until the generation in question is simply dead, and thus no longer able to sustain their viewpoints. So, at this point in time, my greatest wish, is just for them to fucking die, as it's probably the only thing that will save us from them. I don't want violence upon them, but if I woke up tomorrow, and the news said that some Asshole Racist disease had consumed the entire party, I would probably laugh and dance in place.
I believe most people are good, it's just that we're so easily corruptible in positions of power. One of my friends is a die hard republican/conservative that calls anyone on the left a socialist and commie and believes the election was stolen and all that. However, he is one of the nicest people you'd ever meet in person.


(as if having Health Care like every other first world country in the world is somehow a radical concept)
That's socialism, you commie scum!!!!! :D
 
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Is there any reason to believe the openly corrupt businessman who bungled a pandemic would have a particularly good approval rating? Is there some way that the president who never won the popular vote is secretly widely beloved across the political spectrum?
Possibly because people are sick and tired of career politicians, and love the idea of an "outsider" mixing it up and breaking away from the status quo? I dunno, I haven't been paying attention that long.
 

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Possibly because people are sick and tired of career politicians, and love the idea of an "outsider" mixing it up and breaking away from the status quo? I dunno, I haven't been paying attention that long.
That is part of Trump's appeal yes even if its just smoke and mirrors since he has never been an outsider. But that doesn't answer my question because even with delusion that an openly corrupt businessman could somehow be an outsider his approval ratings were still consistently low, and he still never won the popular vote. Ergo, he did not have the support of the people behind him. Now at worst the media could theoretically scew the polling on Trump's approval ratings somewhat to the negative, but they cannot lie about Trump's bad record at acquiring the popular vote.
 
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