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emeraldrafael

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lacktheknack said:
emeraldrafael said:
becuase it could work as future medicine. or seem plausible. whihc is what you said adding cnacer could be used as. and the point of it is its UNETHICAL!

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call me scientific or close minded, but i will not accept an idea without good rational thought, reason, or cause for it to work. and niether will any other self respecting scientist.
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...are unrelated and in the same post.

That said, how is killing cows/chimps any less ethical then refusing to find cures for deadly diseases?

And also, any self-respecting scientist is willing to take a plausible theory (talking about cancer cure here) and test it, and will have a better response to sillier suggestions then "NOOOOOOOOO TARD!" Which is EXACTLY how you responded to the OP.
First off, they are in response to different things.

Secondly, no, they wont forcibly inject cancer into someone. That is unethical and dangerous. You dont know anything about medicine appearanntly. Dont tell me about ethics, i'm going for double majoring in law and accounting, plus a minor in medical fields cuase i wanted to cover as many bases as possible and i have had to learn a set of ethics for each one.
 

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Wow, haha.

Pretty baked, reading this topic, laughing like hell at emeraldrafael being obtuse.

Cancer cannot occur in single celled organisms, but I see where you're coming from. What you're looking for, essentially, is a way for algae to divide and reproduce at a rapid rate, which cancer does to cells in multicellular organisms.

I can see your train of thought, it's the build up of cells that makes cancer dangerous to complex organisms, so a single celled organism would just reproduce like mad.

As others have said before, you run into the problem of algal bloom and all that jazz, but if you could find a way to speed up reproduction, and keep it contained... well, then maybe you're onto something. At least you're thinking outside the box. Nice one!

Edit: In case you think I'm pulling it out of my ass when I say single celled organisms cant get cancer, haha.
http://www.hhmi.org/genesweshare/a300.html
 

strum4h

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I am going to counter all of your plans by mutating the fish that eat algae to be 100times their size.
 

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Firoth said:
Ok, before we begin, I'd like for it to be known that this comes from a near complete lack of understanding as to how cancer works, and a limited understanding of algae. Ready? Too bad, lets go! :D

So, from what I do understand, algae is very important. It creates somewhere around 75% of the Oxygen in the atmosphere, and is the basis of the food chain for most of our watery ecosystems (like grass is on land). Now, supposedly, there's some type of algae shortage in the world. Caused by I have no clue, and by how much I don't know, but, that's not the important thing here (my idea would still stand, regardless). And, it might be playing a part in the vast drops in marine life population across the world, in addition to all our overfishing and pollution/destruction of habitats.

Now that we've gotten all the "things" that I "know" out of the way, lets dive into my ignorance...What if we found a way to give algae cancer, as a means of creating a huge bloom in quantity? As far as I'm aware, cancer (or, maybe just some types of it) causes cells to constantly reproduce, instead of only reproducing some set amount of times, or with disregard to resources or something. As far as I am also aware, algae, or at least most forms of it, are single cell plants or plant-like things. Wouldn't this result in a huge bloom of algae? And wouldn't that, in turn, cause a huge explosion in marine life populations, starting all the way at the bottom of the chains, and a huge boost to the amount of Oxygen in the atmosphere?

So, what do you think?
Can algae even get cancer?
If it could, do you think we'd be able to find a way to do so on a grand enough scale that it would matter?
If we did, would the algae even continue to serve it's purpose?
Would the animals that feed off of it get cancer as a result, and so on, up the food chain?

I'd like to reiterate that I am not a biologist, I am not a doctor, I am not a botanist, and I am not an ecologist.
I'd reckon it's unlikely algae could get cancer as its a VERY basic plant life form. You'd have better luck trying it out on trees or flowers first.
 

lacktheknack

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emeraldrafael said:
lacktheknack said:
emeraldrafael said:
becuase it could work as future medicine. or seem plausible. whihc is what you said adding cnacer could be used as. and the point of it is its UNETHICAL!

Quote one...

call me scientific or close minded, but i will not accept an idea without good rational thought, reason, or cause for it to work. and niether will any other self respecting scientist.
Quote two...

...are unrelated and in the same post.

That said, how is killing cows/chimps any less ethical then refusing to find cures for deadly diseases?

And also, any self-respecting scientist is willing to take a plausible theory (talking about cancer cure here) and test it, and will have a better response to sillier suggestions then "NOOOOOOOOO TARD!" Which is EXACTLY how you responded to the OP.
First off, they are in response to different things.

Secondly, no, they wont forcibly inject cancer into someone. That is unethical and dangerous. You dont know anything about medicine appearanntly. Dont tell me about ethics, i'm going for double majoring in law and accounting, plus a minor in medical fields cuase i wanted to cover as many bases as possible and i have had to learn a set of ethics for each one.
For...

The...

Last...

Time...

I'm...

Not...

Talking...

About...

Injecting...

Cancerous cells...

Into...

PEOPLE.

And university degrees aren't pieces of paper that allow you to insult others (talking about OP)... at least they shouldn't be.
 

lacktheknack

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Whobajube said:
Edit: In case you think I'm pulling it out of my ass when I say single celled organisms cant get cancer, haha.
http://www.hhmi.org/genesweshare/a300.html
Well... not all algae is single-cell.
 

Firoth

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Whobajube said:
Wow, haha.

Pretty baked, reading this topic, laughing like hell at emeraldrafael being obtuse.

Cancer cannot occur in single celled organisms, but I see where you're coming from. What you're looking for, essentially, is a way for algae to divide and reproduce at a rapid rate, which cancer does to cells in multicellular organisms.

I can see your train of thought, it's the build up of cells that makes cancer dangerous to complex organisms, so a single celled organism would just reproduce like mad.

As others have said before, you run into the problem of algal bloom and all that jazz, but if you could find a way to speed up reproduction, and keep it contained... well, then maybe you're onto something. At least you're thinking outside the box. Nice one!

Edit: In case you think I'm pulling it out of my ass when I say single celled organisms cant get cancer, haha.
http://www.hhmi.org/genesweshare/a300.html
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You get a cookie for totally getting me.
 

Firoth

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strum4h said:
I am going to counter all of your plans by mutating the fish that eat algae to be 100times their size.
Think you're clever do you?! Well, I'll just make it so the algae is poisonous! Then we'll see who has the last--wait, that would be worse...:\
 

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Outright Villainy said:
Well, you could always try this...
Hahaha. That's hilarious and I am sad that I missed this episode. :p

OT: I'm with most people here. I don't think giving algae cancer will do more than kill it horribly. It's a interesting idea though, and I'm not really sure if it's even possible. We do need to find a solution though...

On a side note, while reading through this thread all I could hear in my head was "It's not a tuhmah" in Arnold Schwarzenegger's voice. :p
 

strum4h

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Firoth said:
strum4h said:
I am going to counter all of your plans by mutating the fish that eat algae to be 100times their size.
Think you're clever do you?! Well, I'll just make it so the algae is poisonous! Then we'll see who has the last--wait, that would be worse...:\
I will counter the poison by mutating the fish further that when they eat it they explode and reproduce. You have only helped my fish army now.