It took 6 months to read my title.
- Apr 3, 2020
No, I'm totally for people taking vitamin D: just not stupid levels of vitamin D far above recommendations. This is in fact completely consistent: wear a mask as a reasonable precaution, take vitamin D as a reasonable precaution.The point of the article was that nobody knows what the ideal levels for vitamin d are. And vitamin d hasn't even been studied for things outside of bone health until very recently. WE DON'T KNOW. You act like we do know when we don't. We know that you need higher than 12.5 ng/ml for better covid outcomes. Where's the studies that are saying taking 5,000 or 10,000 or 20,000 IUs a day is dangerous? Nowhere to be found. It really makes no sense that you're for something (masks) that have even less data for working than vitamin d that has more data for it working when both things have basically no adverse effects whatsoever. Both are basically "better safe than sorry" yet you're against one but for the other, and vitamin d is even cheaper than masks.
It is not my problem that you don't understand science and don't want to listen.Where's the science saying covid spreads outside yet alone that masking outside reduces the almost nil amount of outside transmission? Nowhere to be found.
It is not my problem that you don't understand the use of figurative examples to explain the real world.People aren't in rooms with other people for 15-20 mins.
Let me reconstruct that for all the useful informational content that it is worth: "Blah blah blah, blah blah, blah blah blah, blah blah."Far more basis and data than masks that just have that Dannish study and Bangladesh study? While past mask studies have also never showed any results against airborne pathogens while vitamin d has stronger data for the flu than masks have for the flu.
I've supplied reasonable papers for the purpose. That you're just too fucking inept at scientific analysis to understand what's going on is your problem.If you didn't post BS papers before...
I wonder how many anti-maskers are teaching their children to not cover their mouth with their hands or elbow when they sneeze, because it's a sign of marxist oppression?Would sneezing and coughing with a mask spread less particles or more? Obviously less. Therefore, masks work
Oh, you mean that thing some people kept trying to convince us the COVID vaccines did?Apparently one of the effects of Ivermectin in men is fucked up sperm causing potential infertility or birth defects.
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Not sure, but if they know us Red Socialist Hordes are doing it, you can bet they'll start.I wonder how many anti-maskers are teaching their children to not cover their mouth with their hands or elbow when they sneeze, because it's a sign of marxist oppression?
Oh wow. The prescribing physician had no standing at the hospital and hadn't even seen the patient? I hope there was at least some form of phone consultation, because if a doctor has had no meaningful assessment of a patient, they probably shouldn't be prescribing anything at all.A mild relief amongst the madness.
Also, coincidentally I'm sure, a founding member of the FLCCC. What quinky dink!Oh wow. The prescribing physician had no standing at the hospital and hadn't even seen the patient? I hope there was at least some form of phone consultation, because if a doctor has had no meaningful assessment of a patient, they probably shouldn't be prescribing anything at all.
Many of these conspiracy theories are being promoted by a group of doctors who bill themselves as the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC)
Some of the most powerful QAnon influencers are urging their hundreds of thousands of followers to harass a Chicago hospital into treating an anti-vaccine activist with ivermectin.
Wolski, who’s known for boosting anti-vaccine and QAnon conspiracies from a bridge in Chicago, was hospitalized two weeks ago after contracting COVID-19. She is a patient at Amita Resurrection Hospital in Chicago, according to posts on her Telegram channel.
Wolski’s supporters claim that after two weeks she had convinced a doctor in the hospital to administer ivermectin, but she was then told that the hospital system would not allow any doctor to prescribe the drug to treat COVID-19 because regulatory agencies like the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) have not approved it.
This did not sit well with Wolski and her followers, so Wolski’s friends launched a campaign to force the hospital authorities to relent.
The campaign, organized via her Telegram channel, which is now being run by her friends, said that Wolski “is being held as a medical hostage” and that her “advocatives” have been barred from the premises.
Wolski’s friends urged supporters to turn up on Tuesday night to protest in person. The campaign even suggested possible slogans to put on posters, including “Ivermectin Now,” “Feed Veronica” and “CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.”
Disgraced former national security adviser Michael Flynn, who’s a central figures in the QAnon movement and has 285,000 followers on the messaging app, has boosted the campaign. Flynn had previously met Wolski, whom he called “a friend and patriot.”
But another QAnon influencer took things a step further.
Lin Wood, the pro-Trump lawyer who is one of the most prominent proponents of QAnon and who has a Telegram channel with 815,000 subscribers, urged his followers to follow his lead and harass the staff by calling the hospital directly.
“I called Amita Resurrection Hospital and spoke with a male care provider in ICU. I gave him Veronica’s name and stated that she had a legal right to try Ivermectin. He informed me that Ivermectin was not on the Amita protocol and Veronica would not receive it. When I tried to respond, he was rude, talked over me, and hung up on me,” Wood wrote on Telegram Tuesday evening.
Wood then urged his followers to “let your voices be heard,” calling the situation “medical tyranny. This is genocide. We cannot tolerate crimes against humanity.”
Wood then shared another post which provided the number for the hospital and told people to tell the hospital staff “what you think of communists who violate Nuremberg and tell them what’s coming for them.”
Numerous people in Wood’s channel, and in Wolski’s, reported that they had called the hospital, many of them complaining that the minute they mentioned the anti-vaxxer’s name, the staff at the hospital hung up on them.
“I called them. When I got a voice on the line I just said Veronica needs Ivermectin. Was immediately hung up on,” one Telegram user wrote. “Nuremberg trials will be needed soon for more crimes against humanity.”
Another woman in Wolski’s channel wrote: “I spoke to [the] receptionist and said I’m calling about Veronica Wol… (didn’t even get last name out) and she hung up on me.”
But some people did get through. “After speaking to the receptionist of that hospital and she was a wonderful woman that believes the same as we do, people are calling up and calling her all sorts of names,” a man called Des wrote.
A Telegram user called Pannada reported that a nurse she spoke to at the hospital said: “People are just calling all day and threatening them.”
The hospital did not immediately respond to VICE News’ request for comment about the situation.
Ivermectin is typically used as a dewormer in livestock animals, but can also be prescribed, in smaller doses, in humans. There is no evidence to show that it effectively treats COVID-19, but conspiracy theorists and the anti-vaxx community glommed onto the drug after the publication of a study that seemed to support its effectiveness against COVID-19.
That study was subsequently pulled due to “serious problems with their raw data” as well as plagiarism.
The CDC recently issued a warning about the increased use by COVID-19 patients of veterinary formulations of ivermectin, as well as increased reports of resulting illnesses.
The agency cited a case of a man who suffered hallucinations, confusion, and tremors after he drank an injectable form of ivermectin intended for cattle. He was hospitalized for nine days.
I always knew Joe Rogan was screwed up in the head. It's why I really never listen to his podcast that much and chose to deliberately ignore them. That Ohio judge needs to be fired. The FDA just said humans shouldn't take it and the judge acts as if he knows better. No Saint George signed off on that. Either that judges a friend of a friend, or those are some distant relatives of his or hers.And this is what I'm talking about:
Both headlines are actual lies, so people who might be unsure or barely on the side IVM are going to be led further into that world by outright and obvious lies. Possibly to the point of taking actual animal grade IVM because "there's a dose that's good for humans, I can figure it out".
Seriously, it's like Q-anon want to die and take everyone else with them.Timely episode?
And of course we reached this point now.
Veronica Wolski, who is known for boosting anti-vaccine and QAnon conspiracies from a bridge in Chicago, was hospitalized two weeks ago.www.vice.com