LucasFilms Confirms adding "NOOOOOO!" to Return of the Jedi

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are.you.the.god.its.me.vader said:
On a similar note, I wonder if people will go back to film series like Harry Potter in a decade or two, to "enhance things".
I doubt it. This is a one time case of a "madman" (well tbh idc, since im after Star Wars was big. I like Indiana Jones even better). His philosophy is that movies are never finished, just abandoned. Which explains why he keeps returning to Star Wars. I dont feel its likely that HP will get enhancements. (though if they do, keep the originals intact)
 

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I literally am really upset at the moment from this. I absolutely love this scene and it's one of the most powerful and memorable scenes in film history to me. He fucked it up, I couldn't believe they would change that....

They're doing it all over again :(
 

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I never liked all the changes and alterations George made to the originals, some were fine, some were even arguable improvements but many felt unnecessary and egregious. Whatever their content and however much I liked or disliked particular cases, George should never have altered the originals as they are a reflection and image of the time they were made, blemishes, mistakes and all. There is always that temptation for artists to go back and alter or improve their work years later but that work should remain a monument to were you where then as a creative individual or in this case a creative team and as an industry. Do you think it would have been right of Leonardo Da Vinci to go back and alter the Mona Lisa by applying some more paint here or there or for Beethoven to improve his fifth symphony by adding a few more notes? Of course not, and Star Wars is no less a piece of great artistic merit than any of these older masters works. That is the principle all artists should uphold, otherwise they will only sully and upset their work and their admirers to which the work now belongs culturally speaking.

However I don't think it fair to call Georges making of the originals an 'accident', credit must be given where credit is due and the making of a mythological universe so highly intertwined in the popular culture mindset of the general public is no accident. It might have been an unexpected success (as it indeed was in the highest sense) but it was no idiot who created Star Wars, even if he has arguably lapsed into idiocy now. I can't deny however, despite my great admiration for George and what he has created (even if not everything is tip top), this last alteration, the Darth Vader 'Nooooo' feels frankly like a big hard slap in my ***** face. That scene is of such monumental importance to the story and saga as a whole, and it is indeed the lack of any real dialogue (other than the emperors screams) with just the spine-tingling sound of the choral music, which extenuates its gravity and emotional power. Throwing in an odd sounding 'nooo' will ruin that scene. And I really mean ruin. I'm not over-exaggerating as fanboys tend to do. It will not ruin the entire saga or make me cancel my blu-ray pre-order as some melodramatic outraged fans will no doubt be doing and calling for now. But it will diminish that scenes power to the point were it will never have the same impact again as long as I watch the blu-ray. And that I consider a ruination. It will be jarring, it will be out-of-place, it will feel, like I said, as a big hard *****-slap in my face acting as not only a reminder to that laughable scene in Revenge of the Sith, but also as a reminder as to why these films were best left untouched.

I have defended you for a long time George, not just because I'm a fanboy (though I am) but because I felt you were harshly and unfairly treated even if I didn't agree with what you were doing. But this, this is the last straw. After this blu-ray release, I vow, by hook or crook, never to buy another version of Star Wars again if any major alterations are made and I will defend you no more. That may not sound like the most ardent of ultimatums but I'm no dramatist either. I won't let even this most terrible of changes diffuse my excitement and desire for this high-definition set.

I think I finally understand why so many people were outraged with the special editions; not that I'm saying I didn't understand their reasons, I even agree with many of them. No what I mean is I understand what it is to 'feel' like something you love and care deeply about, something that means so much to you, is altered and changed on the whims of another. I grew up with the Special Editions so I've never known that sensation. But now, even with this smallest of changes it makes a huge difference. You will always be the creator of Star Wars and what made it so great, but my respect for you George has now diminshed and you have one less fan in the wide world. That might not mean much to you or anyone else, but it means a lot to me.

Leonardo Da Vinci is quoted as saying "Art is never finished, it is only abandoned". This is certainly true, but that abandonment, that state it is in when it is left behind, is just as much a part of that particular piece of art as any other aspect and so should be respected as an essential part of it's essence.

P.S. If this turns out to be some cruel hoax played by Lucasfilm and the 'nooo' isn't present then everything I said is null, but I doubt it.
 

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Most of the changes made to the original trilogy in the past I've supported, like the improvements to the Cloud City and Mos Eisley sets, adding more Wampa, changing that bit of english text on the power generator to Aurebesh, but like ghost Hayden Christensen I can not get behind this
 

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It's as if a million fans called out in torment, and were suddenly.. silenced..
 

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Sp3ratus said:
Please Lucas, please:I love Star Wars, I really do, it's a fantastic universe, but Lucas has beaten this horse so many times, it's no longer a horse, but just a bloody pulp. Please leave the universe to someone who knows how to handle it and has respect for it.
Completely off topic, but what episode is this from? That was funny as hell.
 

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This further proves that Lucas only made the original Star Wars films by accident. I now officially regret pre-ordering the blu-ray sex-ology back in January. I was going to give the prequels another shot ... maybe they weren't as bad as I had thought ... well, screw that.
He didn't make the originals. His cast made the originals.
 

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dfphetteplace said:
Sp3ratus said:
Please Lucas, please:I love Star Wars, I really do, it's a fantastic universe, but Lucas has beaten this horse so many times, it's no longer a horse, but just a bloody pulp. Please leave the universe to someone who knows how to handle it and has respect for it.
Completely off topic, but what episode is this from? That was funny as hell.
I believe it's from the episode Homie the Clown, from the sixth season. It's hilarious, even after having watched it a bunch of times already.
 

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Sp3ratus said:
dfphetteplace said:
Sp3ratus said:
Please Lucas, please:I love Star Wars, I really do, it's a fantastic universe, but Lucas has beaten this horse so many times, it's no longer a horse, but just a bloody pulp. Please leave the universe to someone who knows how to handle it and has respect for it.
Completely off topic, but what episode is this from? That was funny as hell.
I believe it's from the episode Homie the Clown, from the sixth season. It's hilarious, even after having watched it a bunch of times already.
Thank you very much my good sir.
 

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with the ways he keeps raping it I'm ashamed to even know anything about the franchise it's a good universe but Lucas keeps destroying everything good like Indiana Jones, battlefront, timespitters, and now star wars. please kill George or get him away from the controls
 

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However I don't think it fair to call Georges making of the originals an 'accident', credit must be given where credit is due and the making of a mythological universe so highly intertwined in the popular culture mindset of the general public is no accident. It might have been an unexpected success (as it indeed was in the highest sense) but it was no idiot who created Star Wars, even if he has arguably lapsed into idiocy now. I can't deny however, despite my great admiration for George and what he has created (even if not everything is tip top), this last alteration, the Darth Vader 'Nooooo' feels frankly like a big hard slap in my ***** face. That scene is of such monumental importance to the story and saga as a whole, and it is indeed the lack of any real dialogue (other than the emperors screams) with just the spine-tingling sound of the choral music, which extenuates its gravity and emotional power. Throwing in an odd sounding 'nooo' will ruin that scene. And I really mean ruin. I'm not over-exaggerating as fanboys tend to do. It will not ruin the entire saga or make me cancel my blu-ray pre-order as some melodramatic outraged fans will no doubt be doing and calling for now. But it will diminish that scenes power to the point were it will never have the same impact again as long as I watch the blu-ray. And that I consider a ruination. It will be jarring, it will be out-of-place, it will feel, like I said, as a big hard *****-slap in my face acting as not only a reminder to that laughable scene in Revenge of the Sith, but also as a reminder as to why these films were best left untouched.
The issue is that if you look back at how they were made, it was the people around him at the time that argued and fought him to keep him from making these stupid decisions, without these folks he would have arguably destroyed the original films with his total vision.
http://geektyrant.com/news/2011/3/8/3-ways-george-lucas-ex-wife-helped-star-wars.html
Just a perspective from his wife/editor at the time. Similar stories for many of the folks around him, mentioned in the well known red letter media reviews of his films as well.

Clearly his bubble is so strong at this point he refuses to listen to anyone, and has removed anyone that could stand up to him. This is a poke in the eye, there is no way he couldn't have heard the criticisms of the new film, and now instead of being more humble, he takes one of the worst parts of the prequels and shoves that into the original the pussify vader with consistency, pretty sad.
 

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I'm confused. 1, 2, and 3 were some of my favorite films of all time. I thought 3, 4, and 5 were lumps of shit. Bad acting, bad casting, but visuals, costumes, EVERYTHING. That scene in particular sucked more than anything else. I re-watched all episodes about six months ago and wondered why that scene is so famous and why people even like the prequals. That "Luke, I am your father" line was cringe worthy.
 

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Am I really the only one that thinks this is just pointless fanboy bitching and moaning?
I can understand that it was for some people a treasured nostalgic memory but for me I simply can not understand why people still care about star wars. But still who cares if a 30 year old movies has been slightly changed?
 

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wetnap said:
YodaUnleashed said:
However I don't think it fair to call Georges making of the originals an 'accident', credit must be given where credit is due and the making of a mythological universe so highly intertwined in the popular culture mindset of the general public is no accident. It might have been an unexpected success (as it indeed was in the highest sense) but it was no idiot who created Star Wars, even if he has arguably lapsed into idiocy now. I can't deny however, despite my great admiration for George and what he has created (even if not everything is tip top), this last alteration, the Darth Vader 'Nooooo' feels frankly like a big hard slap in my ***** face. That scene is of such monumental importance to the story and saga as a whole, and it is indeed the lack of any real dialogue (other than the emperors screams) with just the spine-tingling sound of the choral music, which extenuates its gravity and emotional power. Throwing in an odd sounding 'nooo' will ruin that scene. And I really mean ruin. I'm not over-exaggerating as fanboys tend to do. It will not ruin the entire saga or make me cancel my blu-ray pre-order as some melodramatic outraged fans will no doubt be doing and calling for now. But it will diminish that scenes power to the point were it will never have the same impact again as long as I watch the blu-ray. And that I consider a ruination. It will be jarring, it will be out-of-place, it will feel, like I said, as a big hard *****-slap in my face acting as not only a reminder to that laughable scene in Revenge of the Sith, but also as a reminder as to why these films were best left untouched.
The issue is that if you look back at how they were made, it was the people around him at the time that argued and fought him to keep him from making these stupid decisions, without these folks he would have arguably destroyed the original films with his total vision.
http://geektyrant.com/news/2011/3/8/3-ways-george-lucas-ex-wife-helped-star-wars.html
Just a perspective from his wife/editor at the time. Similar stories for many of the folks around him, mentioned in the well known red letter media reviews of his films as well.

Clearly his bubble is so strong at this point he refuses to listen to anyone, and has removed anyone that could stand up to him. This is a poke in the eye, there is no way he couldn't have heard the criticisms of the new film, and now instead of being more humble, he takes one of the worst parts of the prequels and shoves that into the original the pussify vader with consistency, pretty sad.
I agree; I know a great deal about the making of the original films and the reason the prequels were so heavily flawed as they are is because George wrote them on his own. With the originals he had other screenwriters like Lawrence Kasden and indeed his ex-wife amongst others and Irvin Kershner directed Empire challenging George creatively at several turns, most notably the famous 'I love you', 'I know' scene. If George had has his way, who knows, Solo might never have said the line that epitomises his character so perfectly.

However, his original vision is what created Star Wars, and whilst he might have made a few blunders if others were not there to step in and challenge him creatively whilst he was making the originals, they were still born from his mind and his ideas and there is no doubt in my mind that Lucas is one of the great leading film industry developers. Without him we may never have gotten ILM, Skywalker Sound or even Pixar and all the incredible work they accomplish in films world-wide, all of them having their origins within his company and under his management to one degree or another.
 

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Who keeps giving them (Lucas and co.) money with the express understanding that they actually like this bloated dinosaur pissing on his own creations?

Episodes 1-3 were cancerous enough on their own merits, with or without the "Star Wars" title. But the changes he keeps green-lighting? Ugh...

'Twas said better and more concisely by another before I; "George Lucas continues to prove he is the master of ruining things..."
 

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Am I really the only one that thinks this is just pointless fanboy bitching and moaning?
I can understand that it was for some people a treasured nostalgic memory but for me I simply can not understand why people still care about star wars. But still who cares if a 30 year old movies has been slightly changed?
I think people are upset because the changes actually lessen the impact of that scene. In my opinion, and I think a lot of people feel the same way, this particular scene stands very well on its own and didn't need any sort of alterations.

At the end of the day, I just think it's sad that George Lucas is changing one of the most iconic scenes from Return of the Jedi.
 

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I don't get it. Everything he's done since the original trilogy was crap. I'm starting to think he had minimum influence on the original and a damn good editor that should get the reputation instead of him.

Seriously, when has a big Nooooo! ever sounded dramatic oder believable? It always rips me out of the experience.
 

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Sigh. George Lucas has just provided my answer for whether or not I'll buy this.

No. Noooooo!!!!!
 

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I... have no words.

I didn't even grow up with the original trilogy and can already feel my childhood dying!