LulzSec Leader Outed As FBI Rat

[ultimateownage]

I thought that there were laws against that sort of catch? Making a man choose between ratting on his friends or going to jail.

Uh no. Actually this is the first thing he's done in ages that is legal. Oddly enough, unauthorised file access and hacking are illegal.

Of course what he did was illegal. I never said anything about that. I wasn't even talking about anything he's done. I'm talking about the situation the FBI put him in.

 

[EvilRoy]

I thought that there were laws against that sort of catch? Making a man choose between ratting on his friends or going to jail.

Uh no. Actually this is the first thing he's done in ages that is legal. Oddly enough, unauthorised file access and hacking are illegal.

Of course what he did was illegal. I never said anything about that. I wasn't even talking about anything he's done. I'm talking about the situation the FBI put him in.

Not really, no. The FBI didn't say 'tell us the names of your allies or you'll never see your children again', they said 'you're going to jail until you're too old to remember what you did, unless you give us a reason why we should do otherwise'.
Never seeing his children again without a pane of Plexiglas between them and him was just an unavoidable consequence of him being in prison till his pubes went grey.

 

[j0frenzy]

Yay! Now let us hope this doesn't cause a comeback of LulzSec.

Also am I the only one who thinks that a TV show about a hacker who turns on his comrades and helps the FBI catch criminals to keep his kids would be awesome?

I think what you are looking for are the movie "Catch Me If You Can" and the show "White Collar". They both have to deal with criminals turning informant for FBI (admittedly the former is more an end result rather than the focus). They just lack the hacker or family part. But instead, you get forgeries and fraud, which is always fun.

 

[puncturedrectum]

That must really suck,being the head of a somewhat criminal organization only to be flipped by the FBI and fuck over all your friends,now it's all over.Now he has to wait in line just like the rest of the people at the internet cafe because his computer was seized,can't even get decent mbps.He gets to live the rest of his life a schnook,an average nobody.

 

[RedgraveStorm]

Yay! Now let us hope this doesn't cause a comeback of LulzSec.

Also am I the only one who thinks that a TV show about a hacker who turns on his comrades and helps the FBI catch criminals to keep his kids would be awesome?

I think what you are looking for are the movie "Catch Me If You Can" and the show "White Collar". They both have to deal with criminals turning informant for FBI (admittedly the former is more an end result rather than the focus). They just lack the hacker or family part. But instead, you get forgeries and fraud, which is always fun.

I've seen a few episodes of White Collar. Great show. Still say that a show centered around a hacker would be fun, only use real hacking not Hollywood magic haxorz shit.

Plus our lead could hack the head of the FBI computer and plant porn. Much comic potential there.

 

[The Funslinger]

Monsegur, described by FoxNews.com [http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/03/06/hacking-group-lulzsec-swept-up-by-law-enforcement/#ixzz1oLiLkGhI] as an "unemployed, 28-year-old father of two," apparently flipped on the group in order to avoid being separated from his children. "It was because of his kids. He didn't want to go away to prison and leave them," a law enforcement official said. "That's how we got him."

This is the only thing I don't like. Threatening to leave his children without a father or as orphans is a pretty terrible thing to do.

Also want to point out that his name is freaking awesome.

Well to be honest, I'm also worried that someone willing to cause mass hysteria for shits and giggles (say what you want about them wanting to help people secure stuff, that lasted all of five seconds) has children.

 

[Innegativeion]

Good fucking riddance I say. I really love this, I'll be honest here. Say what you will about his reasons for doing it but the simple fact of the matter is that LulzSec's entire existence was based on a matter of principle, "people should secure their shit." And now at the end of the day we see their leader sacrifice his principles and betray his comrads. Hypocrisy and irony all in one delicious serving.

Gotta say I called this from the beginning, and I totally agree with you. Their arrogant demeanor and their rampant disregard for the well-being of the internet goers they styled themselves to represent was just BEGGING for this sort of thing to happen. That, and nothing they ever did was the least bit funny despite their slogan. Way to botch one of the oldest and most easily recognizable conventions internet slang (IE the abbreviated laughter), you bunch of twits.

Way to champion the cause of the internet by getting yourselves arrested.

Good show, lulzsec. I do so love an ironic ending.

Spoiler

 

[Natasha_LB]

It seems like Anon is not as dead as people thought. They just hacked open and took over the site for panda security

http://pastebin.com/LM9vdNWy

http://cybercrime.pandasecurity.com/

LulzSec =/= Anonymous

They are a splinter faction of Anonymous that went a different direction.

Yeah but isn't anyone who claims to be a member of anonymous a member by default? if the group has no definition than surely anyone who claims to be a member, is one.

Anonymous is an idea, not a group.
of course one might say to be a part of anonymous is just the reflection of sharing the idea, but you can say all you want, if you do not truly share the idea (but lie about it to get in touch with Anons and "associates" to jail them, for example because you work for a government organisation) you just don't - i think that's the idea behind an... idea
although you can very well be part of an organsiation but not truly share their goals and ideas

aah damnit, it's somewhat getting down to semantics, screw that:
Anonymous is an idea, not a group - you cannot be part of an idea, but you can be part of a group



as to the Anonymous haters, it being shitty that "they" ask for transparency while hiding themselves: "they" do it because there is no other possibility at the time being - as this thread shows, if your name's known you may get imprisoned; and you cannot do shit when in jail
so "they" have to somewhat hide themselves and be only as transparent as "they" can afford, for now.
Anonymous is aware that there'll always be people who talk, or means to get them talking, so until a safe environment is created, "they" cannot expose themselves - actually it's pretty smart, because self-aware, i'd say

and no, Anonymous is not after your credit card information; that is not the idea, from what i gathered from some of "their" transparently accessible videos

Yawn. "Not a group just an idea" is just another way of trying to deny responsibility for your actions, as this "idea" was created by a group of people who are afraid to show their face yet demand transparency.

When I protest I do it proudly. I show my face and show that I'm, and not my "idea", protesting against this. I don't need to resort to illegal means or fear, and I don't need to hide my face. Saying that I do because either A) I'm doing something illegal or B) (Tinfoil hat wearing delusions) is just ridiculous. Especially as people even compare Anonymous' first world problems to actual revolutions, which is just plain insulting.

Ideas don't attack people or hack things, people do.

Sadly peaceful protests just don't work, people pay no attention to them at all. I've been to a fair few rallies myself, and the one's that have the greatest effect are quite sadly the ones that turn violent. It's a sad thing, but trouble calls for attention, and attention get's the issue known to a wider group of people. If you really want to get noticed, you have to do something pretty big (And illegal), so hiding your face is kind of required.

I wish peaceful and non disruptive protests could work, I really do. But the government make up their mind as to what to do, and ignore the views of the people. Often the only way to make them listen, is to cause them trouble. It doesn't matter how many people group together and rally, unless you stick in their side like a thorn, they will never listen.

As for lulzSec, I think it's a shame to see them being treated in this manner. It's not like they did anything too bad. Do the FBI not have bigger issues to worry about? I'm not even convinced that what they did is wrong. Protests that take place in the "real" world almost always obstruct peoples access to places (That's how they get noticed! - A protest in the middle of nowhere would be almost useless!!). So why on earth should it be wrong to obstruct someones access online?

Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with that they did. They didn't have a cause, as they say themselves it was all "for the lulz! But I do believe that they actions they took would not have been wrong if they were fighting for something, and as it is unfair for me to classify what counts as a good enough cause (As every one deserves to be heard) then I have to defend their actions. Essentially the old mantra of "I don't agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it" comes to light.

I really can't believe the FBI went after this group. Did they hurt anyone? Did they kill anyone? No!! They just embarrassed a few companies, and made them find glaring holes in their security systems. I'm very surprised the FBI are wasting their time on these people.

On occasion I even support Anon. While their actions are erratic at best, they have done some good things. The ddos attack they carried out over the wiki leaks fiasco where (In my opinion) completely justified, they stood up for what they believed in: And you have to respect that.

EDIT: Sorry I hit "post" before I was ready, so I had to edit it to finish it off.

 

[MPerce]

This is so wonderful. Nothing like a hacker group justifying their actions as "promoting security" being taken down by an informant.
Irony is a beautiful thing.

 

[Vergial]

Quite a number of people seem to think that cutting the 'heads' off of LulzSec will stop them. Clearly, the twits don't know how anonymity works.

They'll just replace them. LulzSec doesn't NEED leaders. It simply needs people who will hack for lulz. Hence the name.

Cutting off the heads will result in MORE heads. They attacked the 'hydra' in the worst possible way.

Then they revealed the NAME of the dude who helped the FBI.

This just shows the FBI really has no idea what they're doing. At all.

You're talking like LulzSec have been at all active since last year.

They weren't even a major player to begin with. They just made some headlines because they got ahead of themselves and took down one too many websites.

You're right, honestly.

But then again, Anon rarely needs a GOOD reason to attack someone. Odds are high they'll see this and, at the least, attack the guy whose name has been revealed. At most, they'll attack the FBI for the hell of it.

 

[Cid Silverwing]

Good fucking riddance I say. I really love this, I'll be honest here. Say what you will about his reasons for doing it but the simple fact of the matter is that LulzSec's entire existence was based on a matter of principle, "people should secure their shit." And now at the end of the day we see their leader sacrifice his principles and betray his comrads. Hypocrisy and irony all in one delicious serving.

FUCKING THIS!

And good goddamn riddance to LulzSec. They're nothing but criminals with no justification other than "lulz" for hacking all the credit card information etc.

Guess what? Sony didn't even learn their lesson from the attack, so NOTHING WAS CHANGED!

 

[ResonanceSD]

why would others be more courageous?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57392089-83/antisec-hacks-security-site-to-protest-lulzsec-arrests/

Yeah, about that...

And here's Ars Technica on that exact same story.

Panda said the attack was not a severe one, noting in a statement on Facebook that "The attack did not breach Panda Security's internal network and neither source code, update servers nor customer data was accessed. The only information accessed was related to marketing campaigns such as landing pages and some obsolete credentials, including supposed credentials for employees that have not been working at Panda for over five years." Hackers obtained access to a server "hosted outside the Panda Security internal network," which was used for marketing campaigns and company blogs.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/03/anonymous-attacks-security-firm-as-revenge-for-lulzsec-arrests.ars

why would others be more courageous?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57392089-83/antisec-hacks-security-site-to-protest-lulzsec-arrests/

Yeah, about that...

Treason doesn't mean what they think it means. Just sayian.

Lol, I know, right?

 

[Natasha_LB]

I really can't believe the FBI went after this group. Did they hurt anyone? Did they kill anyone? No!! They just embarrassed a few companies, and made them find glaring holes in their security systems. I'm very surprised the FBI are wasting their time on these people.

Time heals all wounds, I guess... did you forget the part where they released millions of people's credit card information on pastebin?

Nope!I remember browsing it myself!! I had quite a laugh at it!! It should have been better protected!! It's the equivalent of a hole in the side of a bank vault, can you really say you wouldn't stick your hand in and take some cash if you walked past?

Besides, any cash that was withdrawn from those accounts will have been returned by the banks... sure it might have caused people a little trouble in the short term, but in the long term the only people who suffer are the bankers, and I find it very hard to have even an ounce of sympathy for them!

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Lol, I know, right?

And the 2 hour Facebook outage today? I'm wondering if you're just post count building now, because you haven't brought anything new to the discussion for 5 pages now. Just "lol'd" at everything.