madoff got 150 yrs?

[lostclause]

I don't see the problem. Crimes stack. There are people who are serving 2 life sentences for things like murder. 100 petty thefts brings greater punishment than one. Stealing everyday for 50 years is going to bring a harsh sentence.

 

[Latinidiot]

then why not put him on a island with a gun, loaded with one bullet and see how he manages. i don't think he can be freed on good behaviour before his grandchildren have died.

 

[vampirekid.13]

this will go on and on its an opinion i suppose. you cant charge someone for harm someone else did on to themselves.

Yes you can. Manson got charged with just telling people to kill others, there have been several cases of negligence resulting in death, Drs can be charged for prescribing the wrong medication which results in death even if just by causing a psychological break resulting in suicide. If I infected someone with a disease or caused them a accident that would result in them being in pain for the rest of their lives so they chose euthanasia I would have that added to my charges.
If your opinion were fact then I could quite happily line the streets with traps and would not be in trouble since others caused themselves harm. (I understand that one is a bit of a leap but the core argument still remains as even if I labeled what would happen and someone thought it was a joke and triggered it anyway I would still be liable.)

poisoning someone or using a trap, or prescribing medicine that causes is is definately not the same as the person killing themselves on their own w/ no materialistic help from you at all.


they lost money, they killed themselves.

the 2 barely seem even able to relate to eachother.

while saying they got poisoned and killed themselves because there was no cure and were dying anyway is totally different.

this reminds me of the myspace scandal where a teen killed herself cuz someone posed as a guy and told her to do it.

well...i mean, yea the person should get charged with impersonating someone.

but not w/ murder. cuz she didnt kill anyone.

 

[Brett Alex]

hmm, OMG 1035 yrs...in prison thats another one that makes no sense...not like he's gonna live that long, either way i suppose i kinda understand....

Yeah, although personally I reckon that 1035 years is too short for what he did. I think in that case the 1035 years is just to make sure that no matter how long he lives, no matter what appeals he makes or how his petitionary conditions change, he'll never be released.

 

[101194]

The point is, Just saying if you steal once around 9 months to two years in jail, Steel around 4 things, You'll get around 3 years to 8 years, Murder is the same, Murdering once you get 15+life/death penalty or 5 people 85+Death Pentalty, Its not the vaule of the crime mearing the amount of times the crime was performed.

 

[GrinningManiac]

He got 150 years because of all the different crimes he committed. Each one racked up a certain number of years.

even so he TRULY didnt "hurt" anyone anywhere other than their pockets.

it seems stupid. the added sentence for crimes that are not extraordinary crimes like murder, rape, assault should not be able to be more time in jail than one of the previously mentioned crimes.


for those that dont know who madoff is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Madoff

he basically scammed people out of money for 50 years, and finally came clean (yea, he turned himself in pretty much).

If you hurt someone in their pocket, their whole life is in danger of being ripped apart.

Madoff stole so much money from people that some are now jobless, homeless, scrounging for food or driven to petty theft.

Some poor people were actually the eldery, who had entrusted their life savings for retirement, and now it's all gone.

He sickens me. Rape destroys a person and their family, murder mabye a good 100 people will suffer because of it. This guy has ruined THOUSANDS of people's lives, some of those people didn't have that much life left to spend anyway

 

[Matronadena]

150 years seems kind of ridiculous. They might as well have sentenced him to life.

They did, but the legal system only allows " in word" only certain crimes to earn a life sentence, those being violent crimes on a federal, or capital level, there are no white collar crimes that can achieve a life sentence.

however, When one is indited on "X" separate counts of " list crime A ".. and " x" amount of " list crime B" and is found guilty on more than one count, the total sentencing time adds up.

This counts for all crimes, be they civil, or capital...and yes they do add time if it's made clear that someone would continue the behavior upon release.

If you get charged with 1 count of murder...( and I do add that there are MANY factors considered when being sentenced) you could face major time, up to a death sentence depending again on circumstances, like pleading guilty out of the box, or going with a plea bargain with prosecutors.

If you get slapped with, lets say; 20 counts of willfulness to commit fraud, 30 counts of embezzlement, 15 counts of tax evasion, 53 counts of misuse of public funds etc etc etc and found guilty on all accounts there is 118 individual crimes your being tried for at once, each carrying their own sentencing... like say, 15 total years for the misuse of funds, 10 years total for the evasion....all those add up.

and yes the same system works for major crimes too, separate charges add up...and breaking numerous laws for over 50 years REALLY adds a long list to add together.

had he done this only for a month or so, he would have gotten away with perhaps only 6 months, or less time but major fines.

 

[magnuslion]

And? In my honest opinion, that son of a ***** Madoff deserves it. He swindled people out of money in a time of crisis, with one of the people he swindled committing suicide. In every way possible, he deserves the 150 years in prison.

Although, the sentence does seem a bit outrageous. 150 years? The dude's what? 80 something?

EDIT: actually he's 71.

considering i would have taken him into the street and beat him half to death, let him heal, and repeated the process about 1 time per person or family he bilked out of their savings, investments, and life, i think hes getting of light.

 

[SnowCold]

who is Madoff?

the guy who caused the economic crysis, he stole 65 BILLION dollars!

 

[Mackinator]

how does that make any sense?

He ruined lives who together invested billion which were lost both by the big guys and by little small-fry investors. Then the number of charges are so high that they add up to this.

 

[Lyri]

So....

I never really got why they sentence people to such a long term in jail.

What's the difference between Life imprisoned w/out parole and being imprisoned for 59734 years?

Stupid, really.

Well, over here in the Uk a life sentence is 25 years, unless the judge says that life means life.
I believe it could be similar over there, I'm not to polished with your justice system.

*snip*
*Jazz hands*

Informative.

 

[Booze Zombie]

Actually, I do believe he's one of the key figures responsible for the recession... so even though he hasn't directly murdered anyone, he's probably affected millions in a negative way.

 

[The_Night_Walker]

does that make sense at all.


so he basically stole money, and gets 150 years for it.


while people go in jail for murder and only stay there for 25 years.

rape is less than life.

and you can molest a kid and get less than that.

how does that make any sense?

the thing is he is 71 - he will be dead in 15 years anyway

 

[Dele]

I assume you mean 'cheated numerous investors and charities out of a whopping sum of 65 Billion US Dollars. You did read that right:

$65 Billion.

He stole 50 BILLION dollars.

That's $50,000,000,000.

More like 20 billion dollars. Those high numbers were made up by Madoff himself to the media.

the guy who caused the economic crysis, he stole 65 BILLION dollars!

Actually, I do believe he's one of the key figures responsible for the recession... so even though he hasn't directly murdered anyone, he's probably affected millions in a negative way.

Nope, small sums like that don't cause recessions. If anything, Madoff was a monument to the failure of government financial regulators and the stupidy of people for not realizing what "mathematically impossible gains" means.

 

[Brett Alex]

More like 20 billion dollars. Those high numbers were made up by Madoff himself to the media.

Source by any chance?

If anything, Madoff was a monument to the failure of government financial regulators and the stupidy of people for not realizing what "mathematically impossible gains" means.

Still doesn't mean he's blameless. People fall for scams all the time, but the scammer isn't any less culpable.

 

[wilsonscrazybed]

who is Madoff?

This is why people should give some background to their threads.

 

[MrDutch]

I think, if you singlehandedly helped the economie collaps, a 150 years is a puny punishment.

 

[Rickyvantof]

Well, 65 billion dollars is worse than rape.
Apparently.

 

[Wadders]

Well, 65 billion dollars is worse than rape.
Apparently.

The fact is, as many people have already said on this thread, that although it didn't "hurt" people, this crime has affected a large number of people in a huge way. They have lost their savings, they're in debt, in a really shitty financial situation, from which they may not recover in their lifetimes, all because of one man, who fucked them over for all they had.

A rape, whilst an abhorrent crime, affects a tiny amount of people in comparison to this...

 

[Wadders]

who is Madoff?

the guy who caused the economic crysis, he stole 65 BILLION dollars!

that dude is fucking awesome

Not really...