Hmm a reverse reaction coming from them (I mean I've seen videos of the bystanders jumping on the robber in Asia or just defending themselves than to become a victum).
Well they do say that playing games is a fantasy to escape reality which is now a literal term, seriously how can that woman with blood splatter on her shirt do nothing as I for one would of freak out if I was her (no amount of gaming and rare loot would save me from a nearby stabber).
I dunno. Even from the camera angle it's hard to know what the hell is going on initially, and it looks like it's playing back at a reduced speed, eveyone jumps up and looks around on that side of the divider, so this all might have happened really fast. She might not have really seen the event at all from that angle...
Take those possibilities into account, add in the bystander effect (or the 'i don't want to get stabbed too, so I'll stay very still' syndrome) and I can see how this can happen.
We all want to think we'd be able to leap to the rescue, like G.I Joe or captain Krav Maga or something.
I ignore annoying people all the time, i can imagine myself in a situation where someone shouts, i glance up at them and think "shut up dude jesus" and carry on with what i'm doing.
A stabbing isn't as obvious as shots fired, without seeing a knife it can be a little confusing.
I can't believe it, Taiwan is my birth place, I spent first 11 years of my life there!
The worse part was the comments uploaded below the video
"盗号的最可恨，死一个少一个盗号的//@..." as in "Account Hijackers are the worst, Let them die, one less hijacker in the world.." WTF!? ARE YOU SERIOUS?! What kind of statement is that?
Now I could be absolutely wrong on this, but I think this is a problem more with Chinese society and not gaming. But there have been a few cases in both Chinese societies IIRC with no videogames being present.
China has a weird view on samaritan-ism (ie. you involving yourself means you are guilty) which is ironic cause Buddhism actively opposes this attitude,
If this happened in Korea or Japan, I wouldn't be as surprised, but still surprised.
It's not much different in our own society. When people witness a crime, they usually don't call the cops. That's not to say there aren't those who do, but most people just stand there and watch, or simply ignore what happens.
you know what was probably going through their head?
"oh god that guy has a knife, holy shit is he going to kill that persOH GOD THEY DID! ok, don't react, pretend not to have noticed, oh god please don't kill me too please please please please please oh godohgodohgod"
would you people have preferred that she did something and got killed too? if you look at the reaction of everyone else, helping wouldn't have done anything, she'd have died and the people who pretended not to notice wouldn't have lifted a finger.
This is the most likely reason, she froze solid and hoped she wasnt next.
I wish I could say with 100% certainty I wouldnt of done the same... but I cant.
I can't believe it, Taiwan is my birth place, I spent first 11 years of my life there!
The worse part was the comments uploaded below the video
"盗号的最可恨，死一个少一个盗号的//@..." as in "Account Hijackers are the worst, Let them die, one less hijacker in the world.." WTF!? ARE YOU SERIOUS?! What kind of statement is that?
o-o............Thank you for letting us know that every country has a few A-holes on the internet. (Not mad at ya. I really mean thank you. I'm just a bit shocked is all.)
How about the most obvious answer? That she was scared shitless and believed that if she reacted to the attack, she would be stabbed too. You know, cause that highly what could of happened.
I came here to state that perhaps the girl was just so damn terrified that she would be stabbed next if she did anything. I didn't see the video, but with all the shootings and stabbings lately, I would understand people being a little gunshy to the vigilante justice. I was more saying this to keep my faith in humanity.
But then... this.
Zombie_Moogle said:
Lovely Mixture said:
Now I could be absolutely wrong on this, but I think this is a problem more with Chinese society and not gaming. But there have been a few cases in both Chinese societies IIRC with no videogames being present.
China has a weird view on samaritan-ism (ie. you involving yourself means you are guilty) which is ironic cause Buddhism actively opposes this attitude,
If this happened in Korea or Japan, I wouldn't be as surprised, but still surprised.
look up ?Peng Yu case? some time. Old woman fell off a bus, broke several bones, good samaritan Peng Yu helped her, got her to the hospital, paid her medical bill... & she sued him... and the judge ruled in her favor
It's my understanding that this case is pretty fresh in the minds of the Chinese public
First, the case in question (Source [http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-17/china-s-infamous-good-samaritan-case-gets-a-new-ending-adam-minter.html])
This curious but important tale begins on the morning of Nov. 20, 2006, when Xu Shuolan, a 65-year-old grandmother stepped off a bus in Nanjing, and fell to the ground. Just behind her was Peng Yu, a 26-year-old student. While others passed her by, Peng ?- a self-described Good Samaritan -- rushed to her aid, accompanied her to the hospital and even paid her modest bill.
In thanks, Xu Shuolin -? a woman of modest means ?- sued Peng for roughly $7,000 in medical expenses she claimed were due to the fall, including broken bones. The judge, in turn, invented a new ?everyday experience? standard in the law, suggesting that nobody pays a stranger?s medical expenses without a guilty conscience. And on that basis, he ruled against Peng Yu, turning the case into shorthand for the decline of Chinese morality.
The ?Peng Yu case? has become a talisman of modern China's failings, the easiest and most accessible example available to the social commentator looking to make a point about Chinese flaws and moral inferiority. And, to be truthful, since that famous verdict there have been several other high-profile ?Peng Yu cases,? in which pedestrians failed to help injured strangers for fear of being sued. The most notorious occurred in October, when a national outcry ensued over a video of pedestrians passing by a fatally-injured 2-year-old who was struck by delivery trucks in a south China recycling market.
In the aftermath of that grisly incident, a real discussion about the need for a so-called ?Good Samaritan law? began to take place in China, while one academic in southern China went so far as to form a foundation to provide legal and financial assistance to good Samaritans who specifically help the elderly. Of course, all of the Peng Yu-type incidents can't be blamed on Xu Shuolin?s decision to sue him, but the important point is that the national discussion about China?s so-called Good Samaritan problem was dominated by the injustice done to poor Peng Yu.
Or rather, it was until Jan. 16 -- when, in what seems to be one of the great scoops in recent Chinese journalism, the state-owned news magazine Oriental Weekly revealed the content of some newly discovered and disclosed documents. According to the trove, Peng Yu not only confessed to knocking over that supposedly greedy granny in 2006, but he actively solicited the local news media and online forum moderators to promote him as a martyred Good Samaritan.
On top of that, reports Oriental Weekly, he and Xu Shuolin secretly agreed on a modest financial settlement and had the decision sealed. So far as the two major players in China?s most notorious court decision were concerned, nobody ever had to know the truth of the matter.
The revelation that Peng collided with Xu, alone, would have been enough to send China?s microbloggers into paroxysms of recriminations. But what made the Oriental Weekly's discovery so much more potent, and so much more infuriating, was the revelation that law enforcement officials in Nanjing had received testimony and other evidence to the effect that Peng had knocked over Xu. Why was this testimony and documentation only released this week?
Now I'm just perplexed if people still believe in it, if she was scared out of their mind, or everyone just didn't want to get involved. The more I think about it, it has to be the Latter. I mean, if you were scared for your life... you'd probably just run like every other country does.
captcha: Until tomorrow... DAMN, Captcha, I didn't even get why you said that until my last sentence, you creepy clairvoyant piece of programming!
It isn't the case by itself that makes people not want to help each other. People run BS scams all the time using the legal system. No shock at all there. The reason why this has such a chilling effect on people's behaviour is because of how the judgement was reached and why. Judge's see BS cases all the time and after a while they start picking up on BS. But this judge actually feels that citizen intervention should be punished as only they are allowed to judge a situation and anyone who interferes with that, should also be made to pay as an example. Too many people in the justice system become arrogant like this. Judge's, DA's, Lawyers, and of course LEO's. It even happens here to similar effect even now.
For an excellent example: http://americasright.com/2010/01/13/an-egregious-lapse-in-judgment/
I like playing the "Find a justification" game. I'll try to imagine what reason the bystanders had.
Let's see:
1) He was a HUGE jerk and nobody liked him.
2) That internet cafe is extraordinarily expensive. One can't waste a second of their time.
3) He gets stabbed all the time. It's, like, every other day with this guy. He always got back up.
4) Everyone else there was in on the stabbing.
5) Everyone else is watching some Taiwanese hypnotist, or is otherwise mesmerised.
6) The establishment usually films movies in there, and the customers get compensated for their time.
7) By the time people realized what was happening they thought it was too late to help and said "eh, f**k it"
8) The cafe was really cramped and they didn't want to bother moving the furniture to get over there
9) He was hacking in CS:GO and everyone was about to stab him anyway
10) This cafe is actually in Silent Hill and the stabbing is just a metaphor for his own sexual inadequacies and guilt over his uncle's untimely death at his hands
It's terrible that the society in the region makes people feel like that can't help people out without fear of legal reprisal. I can't imagine not caring about something like that happening nearby.
China has a weird view on samaritan-ism (ie. you involving yourself means you are guilty) which is ironic cause Buddhism actively opposes this attitude
Yes this isn't a "gamer" issue more as a "cultural" issue. It wasn't because people were gamers that they didn't respond to the person getting stabbed, it's a cultural implication of guilty by association.
Want to know something really strange? Similar things happen in Thailand... unless you're white.
I don't mean that white people will always leap to help someone in that situation but if the situation HAPPENED to a white person in Thailand the response by the locals is very different. Then again the culture there is focused so much on tourism that if you help a tourist in such a way it will make the news and you'll gain considerable social standing/karma for the action.
its a pretty normal human reaction im afraid , about 10 years ago i opened my front door to recieve a metal bar to the face, i found out later he was a heroin addict who had got the wrong address he thought my house was a stash house and was trying to rob it. the ensuing 15 minute fight to the near death was situated near and sometimes in a 4 lane busy road , opposite a supermarket with dozens of people walking by , of the 50+ that walked past or close enough to see not one person helped. a lot took out there phones and filmed it. i asked the police later how they heard about it and no one had phoned it in a patrol car just happened to pass by us. and this was mid morning on a normal weekday.
but because this didn't happen in front of gamers it didn't make the news , go figure.
That's an unfortunate truth which I can second. I'm an Indian myself, and this is the reason that the society there sometimes hates me so much. Someone should fucking get off their high horses there and do something about it.
OT- Fear, I'll chalk it up to that. I can't really say anything else, but why did no one else do anything? She can't have been the only one there...
Jesus, I thought India had enough issues to deal with as it were.
Zer_ said:
It's not much different in our own society. When people witness a crime, they usually don't call the cops. That's not to say there aren't those who do, but most people just stand there and watch, or simply ignore what happens.
With crime yes, we saw that with Kitty Genovese. But with cases in China like the infant getting run over and no one doing anything, I'm more predisposed to believe that Chinese culture somehow promotes apathy. Because in that case, it's
But yes, America isn't innocent either.
Zombie_Moogle said:
look up ?Peng Yu case? some time. Old woman fell off a bus, broke several bones, good samaritan Peng Yu helped her, got her to the hospital, paid her medical bill... & she sued him... and the judge ruled in her favor
It's my understanding that this case is pretty fresh in the minds of the Chinese public
Yes, that was the case I was indirectly referencing, thank you for finding the name.
Regardless of the truth in that case (that Obsidian posted), the culture remains.
wombat_of_war said:
Zombie_Moogle said:
Lovely Mixture said:
Now I could be absolutely wrong on this, but I think this is a problem more with Chinese society and not gaming. But there have been a few cases in both Chinese societies IIRC with no videogames being present.
China has a weird view on samaritan-ism (ie. you involving yourself means you are guilty) which is ironic cause Buddhism actively opposes this attitude,
If this happened in Korea or Japan, I wouldn't be as surprised, but still surprised.
look up ?Peng Yu case? some time. Old woman fell off a bus, broke several bones, good samaritan Peng Yu helped her, got her to the hospital, paid her medical bill... & she sued him... and the judge ruled in her favor
It's my understanding that this case is pretty fresh in the minds of the Chinese public
fairly recently there have been some more developments in the peng yu case as well where it looks like he actually did knock the woman down and had campaigned to be called a "martyed good samaritan"
1. People think when you're splashed with a liquid it always goes through the clothes makes contact with your skin.
2. People do not understand how engrossing a game can get. When you're fixated on PVP, you're not going to every five minutes take a sit back and look around the room.
3. People assume that when a murder occurs others will act rational to the event.
Uh...Diffusion of responsibility is a good one as well.
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I am sad too.
