Man Stabbed in Internet Cafe, Gamer Plays On

[likalaruku]

It's not disturbing at all, but rather to be expected.

3 times in my life I've seen someone get hit by a car, & each time people stood around taking photos with their phones before getting bored & walking away.

None of the people in that cafe believed they could be the next stabie, just as the traffic gawkers didn't expect the car to turn around & run someone else over.

However gruesome this story obviously is, I must say that the bystander effect continues to fascinate me. I wonder how I would react to such a situation. Maybe then would I finally be able to decide if it is some inherent self defensive part of the human psyche or a simple case of weak will.

My response is usually exquisitely inappropriate laughter, which just freaks people out even more. It's a reflex, like punching someone who scares you...which I also do.

 

[Milanezi]

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I'm not judging, I'm stating a fact. Fantasy might be better, and it must be or it won't sell. But you can't deny reality or it WILL impact you and your fantasy world by consequence. Want to live in Fâerun or post-apocalyptic Las Vegas for the rest of your life? By all means do it, but if YOU don't pay the bills that fantasy world is gonna go bye-bye on your face. You don't have time to feed your pets and children to keep on defending the dungeons, you go ahead, they'll starve to death and you'll see the side of bars that are NOT easy to lock pick. Reality will always come back to bite you in the ass, maybe you're to young to see this, but you have no idea the friendships lost or the opportunities lost, due to "extreme" escapism. Everybody escapes at times, what do you think I am doing when I'm reading the latest comic book released, or playing a game (even those that try to emulate real life situations)? I'm escaping because it entertains me to do so. But it lasts for only as long as in some way reality comes calling, it lasts until I get ready for a romantic dinner with my girlfriend, or going to bed so I can wake up in one piece for work the other day, or even to simply take a bath.
Do you really think, because I honestly think you didn't interpret my post right (after all you were the SINGLE one person to say anything), that it's a healthy escapism when it reaches a level where a person next to you is MURDERED and you just keep on playing? You don't run, you don't go into shock, you don't scream, you just keep on playing.
We don't live in the Matrix, where escapism is strong enough to actually keep any impact from the real world at bay, the ignorance of reality here can have very violent effects. Ignoring the existence of fellow men can lead from a harmless alienation of what's happening around the world (and believe me, this the way that everyone prefers, one less person to compete with) to very serious implications, criminal and psychiatric implications even.

Edit: a video that will show what I'm talking about http://youtu.be/sOtbjz4T-Lk if you don't trust the link, just go to penny arcade > extra credits > season 3 > episode 05[/spoiler]

Going to responds to this in section look at the highlighted bits and their order:
1-Oh then we really don't have a problem-although is it possible for the mere stating of a fact to be in and ofitself judgment?

2- Unfortunate but true still with the right preparation you can keep reality at bay and sometimes the consequences of reality are not worth breaking free.

3- And here were we get to our first disagreement-maybe their escaping because there are no friendship's or opportunities waiting for them in reality only pain and suffering or perhaps said friendship/opportunities aren't worth what they cost

4-By what standard are we measuring health-that of what society deems normal or by that of the person,it could be healthier for her mind to retreat and not react than by being aware which could of caused god knows what reaction.

5-Seen the video before even posted a similar comment to the one I gave you-his experience can not apply to all people,he say's that "reality will always except you back' BULLSHIT it doesn't always except you back his friend is proof of that [the one he tried to help but then abandoned after it got to difficult].

Don't say "we", YOU are bere in a forum discussing with me about this, obviously YOU are not allienated from the world. As for the rest: there is always oppourtunity, all you have to do is grow some balls and face society in its own terms. As for health some peole are SICK as in unhealthy you have a) people who are medically ill as in certain disabilities that will not allow the person to have a full life, ANY escapism will grant him/her the joy they can't really find in life; obviously that's not who I'm talking about. I'm talking about people who are allienating themselves because because they "quit the hardships of reality", doing it is moraly wrong and socially unhealthy, ALSO psychologically unhealthy; it's not your Alzheimer grandpa living in his own world, it's people who don't like "societies' rules" and take the easy way out instead of actually doing something productive that will lead them somewhere tangible. Againg, there 's a loooong difference between playing 8 hours per day and saying it's the best thing in your life to playing the same 8 hours or more and doing so while ignoring existence of everything around you.

 

[knight steel]

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Don't say "we", YOU are here in a forum discussing with me about this, obviously YOU are not alienated from the world. As for the rest: there is always opportunity, all you have to do is grow some balls and face society in its own terms. As for health some people are SICK as in unhealthy you have a) people who are medically ill as in certain disabilities that will not allow the person to have a full life, ANY escapism will grant him/her the joy they can't really find in life; obviously that's not who I'm talking about. I'm talking about people who are alienating themselves because because they "quit the hardships of reality", doing it is morally wrong and socially unhealthy, ALSO psychologically unhealthy; it's not your Alzheimer grandpa living in his own world, it's people who don't like "societies' rules" and take the easy way out instead of actually doing something productive that will lead them somewhere tangible. Againg, there 's a loooong difference between playing 8 hours per day and saying it's the best thing in your life to playing the same 8 hours or more and doing so while ignoring existence of everything around you.

Don't YOU make judgements about my life that you know NOTHING about-how do you know I'm not alienated huh simply because I'm on a forum did you ever think that this is my escape and this is my fantasy don't claim to know how I live please.

Sorry bud but some people don't have the ability to "grow the balls" and the terms that society present aren't matchable with everyone so no there isn't "always opportunity" so in a way they are just as hard of as those who are sick.

Morality don't give me that rubbish There is no such thing as the universal correct Morality.
Morality is Manmade it is an ideology and not an innate part of nature.
Therefore our morality is created through our experiences and perceptions.
This makes it subjective to each person and society.
What does this mean, it means that because it subjective,
there is no right or wrong moral code.

And as for socially unhealthy who cares about if it's socially unhealthy society never treated us right so why should we care if our escapism doesn't fit into your view of "normal health" why must WE be productive if there is no benefit that means anything to us in doing so- why should We think and act in the way you see fit if we are not hurting anyone who are you to drag us kicking and screaming into the world "for our own good".

 

[Veylon]

I hate that it has to be three pages in to be pointed out, but this whole thing played out in a few seconds. It's easy to play Monday morning quarterback from a priveleged perspective; we knew before watching this what was going to happen, we got to watch it twice - once in slow motion - we got to see the events from a point of view high up on the wall, and we weren't distracted by all the myriad things that people go into a internet cafe to do in the first place.

People on the spot have none of those advantages. To make a difference, they have to act before they even know what's going on. There simply isn't time to analyze the situation and make a good decision. And so most do nothing. In the 99% of the time that somebody's shouting or falling over or pushing, that's the right decision. In the 1% we see here, well, they get raked over the coals for not being omniscient.

 

[eberhart]

How about conducting an experiment with the same premise, but in USA or Europe? How much people reaction would differ?
But yeah, that's kinda fucked up. Thinking about it, some people won't even notice their own death while playing.

Not exactly "an experiment", but still...

 

[Milanezi]

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Don't say "we", YOU are here in a forum discussing with me about this, obviously YOU are not alienated from the world. As for the rest: there is always opportunity, all you have to do is grow some balls and face society in its own terms. As for health some people are SICK as in unhealthy you have a) people who are medically ill as in certain disabilities that will not allow the person to have a full life, ANY escapism will grant him/her the joy they can't really find in life; obviously that's not who I'm talking about. I'm talking about people who are alienating themselves because because they "quit the hardships of reality", doing it is morally wrong and socially unhealthy, ALSO psychologically unhealthy; it's not your Alzheimer grandpa living in his own world, it's people who don't like "societies' rules" and take the easy way out instead of actually doing something productive that will lead them somewhere tangible. Againg, there 's a loooong difference between playing 8 hours per day and saying it's the best thing in your life to playing the same 8 hours or more and doing so while ignoring existence of everything around you.

Don't YOU make judgements about my life that you know NOTHING about-how do you know I'm not alienated huh simply because I'm on a forum did you ever think that this is my escape and this is my fantasy don't claim to know how I live please.

Sorry bud but some people don't have the ability to "grow the balls" and the terms that society present aren't matchable with everyone so no there isn't "always opportunity" so in a way they are just as hard of as those who are sick.

Morality don't give me that rubbish There is no such thing as the universal correct Morality.
Morality is Manmade it is an ideology and not an innate part of nature.
Therefore our morality is created through our experiences and perceptions.
This makes it subjective to each person and society.
What does this mean, it means that because it subjective,
there is no right or wrong moral code.

And as for socially unhealthy who cares about if it's socially unhealthy society never treated us right so why should we care if our escapism doesn't fit into your view of "normal health" why must WE be productive if there is no benefit that means anything to us in doing so- why should We think and act in the way you see fit if we are not hurting anyone who are you to drag us kicking and screaming into the world "for our own good".

Oh but you ARE right, morality is subjective, but to society as a whole, one who makes individual morality is one who sets oneself outside of society. However, society is where LIFE is made. Life in middle east and USA are very different, not only because of religion and culture, but also because of moral codes, those moral codes respond to the LOCAL SOCIETY. If you set yourself outside of society, then you don't fit, there are harmless people who don't fit, so society will forget about you unless you try to fit (you will have to claw your way back of course, modern times do not allow groups or individuals to "waste" time, though PERSONALLY I wouldn't call it wasting time), if your harmful then you will be incarcerated, after all the very LAW in democratic or semi-democratic country is set by society's standards (for instance, in Brazil, if society stop abiding a given law, with time the police force will stop enforcing it, and after that the very positivation of the law will be excluded from whichever code it belonged to - for instance the "ex"crime of infidelity).
Anyway, as for you not being alienated, alienated people don't waste their gaming time - since it IS game we're discussing - discussing at forums an argument that is time consuming and wont't lead one anywhere or gain one any status, they can't elaborate half of what you elaborated either, after all you ARE socially corresponding to me here instead of IGNORING my existence. And that's is hardly making a judgement about your life, I don't know nothing about your life but what you're bringing to the table here, which is most surely not enough to discuss shit about you or me, and neither of us are the subject here: one thing however I CAN determine by your argumentation, you are NOT alienated, you might think you are, but you aren't, I don't know why you'd feel that way, it doesn't matter if MAYBE you escape to games instead of facing reality like a fucking lion, it doesn't matter because you are socially functional, and you discussing here is proof of that, you are not engulfed a 100% inside "another reality whatever it may be", this is a VIRTUAL forum, but it's a forum nonetheless, that is throwing REAL LIFE events on your lap, that WE are discussing about. Take it as a compliment dude, I'm most definitively not trying to judge you nor offend you (maybe you felt offended in turn of people that you know?), and if you felt that way I'm sorry, but I'll stand by all my arguments. It seems you won't agree either, so I think this conversation is over, it is just wasting time and forum space by now.

 

[knight steel]

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Oh but you ARE right, morality is subjective, but to society as a whole, one who makes individual morality is one who sets oneself outside of society. However, society is where LIFE is made. Life in middle east and USA are very different, not only because of religion and culture, but also because of moral codes, those moral codes respond to the LOCAL SOCIETY. If you set yourself outside of society, then you don't fit, there are harmless people who don't fit, so society will forget about you unless you try to fit (you will have to claw your way back of course, modern times do not allow groups or individuals to "waste" time, though PERSONALLY I wouldn't call it wasting time), if your harmful then you will be incarcerated, after all the very LAW in democratic or semi-democratic country is set by society's standards (for instance, in Brazil, if society stop abiding a given law, with time the police force will stop enforcing it, and after that the very positivation of the law will be excluded from whichever code it belonged to - for instance the "ex"crime of infidelity).
Anyway, as for you not being alienated, alienated people don't waste their gaming time - since it IS game we're discussing - discussing at forums an argument that is time consuming and wont't lead one anywhere or gain one any status, they can't elaborate half of what you elaborated either, after all you ARE socially corresponding to me here instead of IGNORING my existence. And that's is hardly making a judgement about your life, I don't know nothing about your life but what you're bringing to the table here, which is most surely not enough to discuss shit about you or me, and neither of us are the subject here: one thing however I CAN determine by your argumentation, you are NOT alienated, you might think you are, but you aren't, I don't know why you'd feel that way, it doesn't matter if MAYBE you escape to games instead of facing reality like a fucking lion, it doesn't matter because you are socially functional, and you discussing here is proof of that, you are not engulfed a 100% inside "another reality whatever it may be", this is a VIRTUAL forum, but it's a forum nonetheless, that is throwing REAL LIFE events on your lap, that WE are discussing about. Take it as a compliment dude, I'm most definitively not trying to judge you nor offend you (maybe you felt offended in turn of people that you know?), and if you felt that way I'm sorry, but I'll stand by all my arguments. It seems you won't agree either, so I think this conversation is over, it is just wasting time and forum space by now.

I can't go outside my house and I find it impossible to talk to people so I have to communicate through forums like this,when I was in school I was greatly bullied had my fingers bent back and broken, stabbed,beaten sworn at and had rubbish thrown at me-I have never been to a social gathering outside school I have never spoken to a woman outside of my family/internet- the chemicals in my brain are messed up causing mass panic attacks that literal leave me bed ridden and a inaudible mess requiring medicine to get rid of and allowing me to function at all-so in my life there are only four things I do the basic necessities [food] video games,forums and Anime-if that not being alienated then I don't know what is and I've been told countless time by professionals that I'm ignoring reality and thats my main problem.

Look as you said those who don't abide but societies standards don't fit-all I'm arguing is that the Harmless people who do this such as those who ignore/escape reality in a safe way should not be judged but instead left alone like the women in the internet cafe. I perceive [maybe wrongly] that your stance on this is that this should not be the case and that we should forcefully "help/cure" them because their harming themselves which is what I'm fighting you against.

 

[ckam]

Huh, that eerily reminds me of this... [youtube]buyUoGJVZFM[/youtube]

Anyways, I can only think of the anti-samaritan in Chinese culture nowadays. However this is Taiwan and not mainland China, so their culture shouldn't be this jaded. All around, it just seems kind of weird.

 

[EstrogenicMuscle]

There's no way I could do such a thing.

I will never understand the lack of empathy some people have. I would never be able to sleep right at night again if I had every done such a thing. Much less would I be able to concentrate on a video game letting something like that pass by.

I've gotten so little as a phone call in the middle of playing a video game to tell me sad news and I didn't feel like playing a video games for three days afterword.

I don't understand. I really don't understand some people.

 

[The Lugz]

Sensory engaging experience distracts person from life

DUH?


I mean honestly. noisey environment concentrating on whatever ur playing all u notice is random blood-splatter landing on you after the event

this is a complete non-story. seriously

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

Now if the blood had splashed onto the screen...

Seriously though, what the hell. What the hell...

I get into my gaming too but yeah...

 

[Jellly]

Aww, I thought this would be the chuckle worthy story of a gamer who got stabbed and decided to not give a fuck and kept playing his game while the paremedics were on the way.

 

[Joshroom]

Whoo, thats awful. If I was the person sitting next to the stab victim I'd definetely do something! Blood stains if you don't wash it off straight away; it would be awful if my clothes got ruined.

Though, in all seriousness, probably this sums up what I think about the whole incident:

Not surprising really. My generation have been brought up to heavily avoid confrontation, to leave anything illegal to law enforcement or to some other form of authority. Combined with a very individual centric society where your own individual rights and desires are valued greater than your peers and just how socially dysfunctional internet addiction can make some people, it's entirely believable that something like that could happen.

This is an extreme example of course but I really don't find it too unbelievable. Creepy stories always come out of those internet Cafes.

 

[Slash2x]

Now if the blood had splashed onto the screen...

Seriously though, what the hell. What the hell...

I get into my gaming too but yeah...

Personal guess what they do not show in the video is that when she stands up her pants are wet because she pissed herself. If you look she is COMPLETELY frozen, after the stabbing. No movement at ALL. She is probably terrified to the point of not being able to move at all, afraid that eye contact will make her the next victim.

Captcha Squeaky clean.... She is not anymore captcha..... Not anymore.

 

[Cid Silverwing]

I'm reminded of the South Korean individual who played himself to death (starvation). I think he was a smelting worker and was playing a number of games in a café for 3 days straight and wasn't found out until the guy behind the counter poked him.

Captcha: usual suspects

 

[Zakarath]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect

The more you know...

 

[Strazdas]

Well, ive seen matches where litterary millions were at stake, and a teamspeak server of one team dropped, panic ensued and they still managed to win. apparently chat is still effective. but beside this kind of deal, there is pretty much no excuse. Though one could say she was indeed scared of the perpetrator and didnt want to get involved.

To be honest im guilty of zoning out sometimes too, there are times when i get invoved with a game and tursn out its 4 AM in the morning andl ast time i looked the sun was still up. tunnelvision pretty much, the brain onyl cares about one single stimuli.

4) Everyone else there was in on the stabbing.

Sounds legit.

 

[DasDestroyer]

To be fair, if I were playing a game and someone beside me was suddenly murdered, meaning that there was an armed murderer right beside me without a current target, I'd pretend I didn't notice anything either.

 

[Lunar Templar]

I knew this was happened in an Asian country the moment I read the title, little to do but roll ones eyes.

Well, that and be thankful I live in a country where I highly likely to get aid if that happens to me.