Married with Children as a Parody of Men's Rights Activists

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In the whole "debate" or whatever you want to call it between MRA's and feminists on the internet you have two choices.

Offensive assholes or offended assholes.

A bit like choosing between 4-chan and Tumblr.
 

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This was my favorite show as a kid. From ages 10-15 I just loved the broad parody in it. It was cartoonish, unrestrained, crude and on-the-nose about some fairly valid sociological points. I guess it was the perfect show for me at the time and for it, I will always cherish it fondly. I don't think I'd have a problem revisiting the show now, as an adult, since I can get past the boorish tone in it and appreciate it more for the creative statement it was making rather than as just a broad comedy.
 

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Another site and columnist not bothering to fact check. Here's an article on Forbes from someone who bothered to do so:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/05/24/the-disturbing-internet-footprint-of-santa-barbara-shooter-elliot-rodger/
What the hell is going on here? Even Time published the same false information. I expected better from the Escapist.
 

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Bob you are going to get a lot of people calling you out on this but Elliot had nothing to do with the MRA movement, No evidence that he ever watched MRA videos or visited their forums exists but he was part of Pick Up Artist groups. These two internet cliques are fundamentally different.

I've repeatedly been seeing people making baseless assertions that Elliot was an MRA and you while not directly claiming it are backing it up when you say it's the first time people are learning about it.

Furthermore I would like to make a very critical point. In the MRA movement the mainstream activists like GirlWritesWhat and SargonOfAssad vehemently deny and exclude the fringe elements like right wing political parties exile neo nazis and left wing parties expel communists. However, when you look at Feminist movements and you see that the hashtag #KillAllMen is not only not denounced but so prevalent that it often is trending on Twitter you can see why people wish to seek sexual equality in a way as far removed from Feminist doctrine as they can.

Either way I'll take a look at this show. I've not heard of it before so it might be amusing or a cesspit of bad taste in jokes.
 

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Mr. Q said:
I watched Married... With Children but I never really enjoyed it. I may have laughed at one joke or two but the majority of the show was just repulsive. As for why I watched it, I can't say. I could use the "watching a train wreck" excuse, but I think it was mostly due to being a teenager and lacking a refined pallet for television. Or maybe I wanted to hurt myself mentally (I was going through a rough patch in my life, BTW).

As for the Men's Rights Activists, be it the fictional parody on a 90s sitcom or the disgusting reality we face today, it is definitely one movement that needs to be dumped into a mass grave alongside other outdated concepts and empty ideas. I'd call the MRA as outdated as the Betamax, but the Betamax still has a functioning purpose in the world.
Because men aren't people, I take it? Have you ever engaged with MHRM? Read articles regularly on A Voice For Men, COTWA, and A Voice For Male Students?

Or do you just regurgitate what feminists' have said about the movement? Gender equality is not a zero-sum game. The MRA has a right to exist. Feminism has a right to exist. Men have issues in society that no seems to have the strong plentiful balls to address or even acknowledge.
 

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youji itami said:
I was laid off on the 19th December last year, 119 staff in my department 42 white men the rest women or non white men all 42 white men were 'let go' because it's easier as women and non white men can and do sue every time for 'discrimination'. This is a thing now.
You were working at the Fabrications and Making Stuff Up factory, I presume?
 

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God, I still love Married with Children. I think I identified most with Bud, who wound up being the most successful Bundy.
As for the maniac who shot up UCSB being an MRA, I don't buy it for a minute. In fact, none of these trigger-happy nut bags taking up the news nowadays have any legitimate cause for their heinous actions. I'll sum up my thoughts in the following Seussian rhyme:

As outlandish it sounds, I just have to vent,
An asshole's an asshole 100%!
 

Machine Man 1992

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Darth_Payn said:
God, I still love Married with Children. I think I identified most with Bud, who wound up being the most successful Bundy.
As for the maniac who shot up UCSB being an MRA, I don't buy it for a minute. In fact, none of these trigger-happy nut bags taking up the news nowadays have any legitimate cause for their heinous actions. I'll sum up my thoughts in the following Seussian rhyme:

As outlandish it sounds, I just have to vent,
An asshole's an asshole 100%!
Plus, when you look at the stuff he posted on teh interwebz, it's fairly obvious that Elliot Rodgers was OUT OF HIS FUCKING MIND.
 

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Machine Man 1992 said:
Plus, when you look at the stuff he posted on teh interwebz, it's fairly obvious that Elliot Rodgers was OUT OF HIS FUCKING MIND.
Have you seen the stuff that MRAs post online? It's hard to tell the difference.
 

Machine Man 1992

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Aardvaarkman said:
Machine Man 1992 said:
Plus, when you look at the stuff he posted on teh interwebz, it's fairly obvious that Elliot Rodgers was OUT OF HIS FUCKING MIND.
Have you seen the stuff that MRAs post online? It's hard to tell the difference.
Funny thing is, you think you're being clever-- you know, make me question my beliefs, really examine what I support, hopefully see some kind of skeleton in the closet-- if it wasn't for the fact I DO SEE WHAT MRA's POST ONLINE. I read A Voice For Men, COTWA, Judgy *****, A Voice For Male Students and Women Against Men religiously. I know what the MRA's are thinking, I read their content, and do you know what I find?

Stuff that proves that what feminists and internet commentators have been saying about the movement has been nothing but a giant CROCK OF SHIT.

I mean really; have these people ever engaged with the movement?
 

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Machine Man 1992 said:
I know what the MRA's are thinking, I read their content, and do you know what I find?

Stuff that proves that what feminists and internet commentators have been saying about the movement has been nothing but a giant CROCK OF SHIT.
A few examples do not stand for all members of the movement.That's like saying that the existence of a few moderate Republicans is proof that crazies like Michelle Bachman don't exist.

For every semi-reasonable coherent arguer, there are probably 10 embittered men with revenge fantasies. Hell, you don't even need to look beyond the pages of The Escapist to see the crazy lurking there, every time a feminist issue is raised.
 

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It was a show against the rampant politicial correctness of the late 80's and early 90's, so the opinion stated above is wrong. Everyone was a loser, and everyone dished out jokes at each other equally, men and women alike.

Trying to say this has anything to do with MRA's based on an old TV show (with none of the content creators or actors saying anything close to it) is shooting an arrow, painting a target around it, and claiming you're right.
 

Machine Man 1992

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RatherDull said:
I really hope Men's Rights Activism and Feminism work together in the end.

Most of the issues that plague men negatively impact women too and vice versa.
This is the point where I ask, how?

Men commit suicide at four times the rate as women, can be drafted to go fight and die in some god forsaken country, have their assets seized by their wife during divorce, run through the legal meat grinder of the Family Court, be imprisoned and ostracized by the mere accusation of sexual misconduct, and expected to just lie there and take it. "Man up," is the "stay in the kitchen" of men.
 

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Aardvaarkman said:
Machine Man 1992 said:
I know what the MRA's are thinking, I read their content, and do you know what I find?

Stuff that proves that what feminists and internet commentators have been saying about the movement has been nothing but a giant CROCK OF SHIT.
A few examples do not stand for all members of the movement.That's like saying that the existence of a few moderate Republicans is proof that crazies like Michelle Bachman don't exist.

For every semi-reasonable coherent arguer, there are probably 10 embittered men with revenge fantasies. Hell, you don't even need to look beyond the pages of The Escapist to see the crazy lurking there, every time a feminist issue is raised.
I'm sorry, my brain had a temporary meltdown while it tried to process YOUR CIRCULAR FUCKING LOGIC.

"A few examples do not stand for the entire movement", and yet you base you're stance on THE ACTIONS OF A FEW MEMBERS, WHO ARE ACTIVELY CONDEMNED MY THE MAINSTREAM MOVEMENT.

*faceplam*
 

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Machine Man 1992 said:
Men commit suicide at four times the rate as women, can be drafted to go fight and die in some god forsaken country, have their assets seized by their wife during divorce, run through the legal meat grinder of the Family Court, be imprisoned and ostracized by the mere accusation of sexual misconduct, and expected to just lie there and take it. "Man up," is the "stay in the kitchen" of men.
See, that didn't take long, did it? You claim MRAs are thinking reasonably, and then you go off the deep end yourself, within minutes.
 

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Machine Man 1992 said:
Mr. Q said:
I watched Married... With Children but I never really enjoyed it. I may have laughed at one joke or two but the majority of the show was just repulsive. As for why I watched it, I can't say. I could use the "watching a train wreck" excuse, but I think it was mostly due to being a teenager and lacking a refined pallet for television. Or maybe I wanted to hurt myself mentally (I was going through a rough patch in my life, BTW).

As for the Men's Rights Activists, be it the fictional parody on a 90s sitcom or the disgusting reality we face today, it is definitely one movement that needs to be dumped into a mass grave alongside other outdated concepts and empty ideas. I'd call the MRA as outdated as the Betamax, but the Betamax still has a functioning purpose in the world.
Because men aren't people, I take it? Have you ever engaged with MHRM? Read articles regularly on A Voice For Men, COTWA, and A Voice For Male Students?

Or do you just regurgitate what feminists' have said about the movement? Gender equality is not a zero-sum game. The MRA has a right to exist. Feminism has a right to exist. Men have issues in society that no seems to have the strong plentiful balls to address or even acknowledge.
I understand men have rights but not the right to subvert women or other people just because life did not give them what they wanted. You want better pay in the work place? You want affordable healthcare? Then decide what you want from other side and be prepared to fight for it. Just don't go looking for scapegoats for when life gets harsh for you.

Hell, Scrumpmonkey put it better than I or anyone else could.

Scrumpmonkey said:
I think the parading of the "Men rights" boogeyman to try and shame out of existence anyone who feels repulsed by a specific noxious genre of internet bloggers is getting kind of tired. You can see my comments on the need for more female characters and the problems with the game industry all over the forums right now, hell some people have even accused me of being the dreaded 'social justice warrior' for saying that excluding women from gaming is toxic.

With that in mind let me say this: Much of what is said online by the righteous feeling side is brow-beating horse shit. It gives the disgusting views of many of the hardcore anti-women MRA organizations something to hide behind. The amount of self-satisfied assholes online who think they can act however they want because their side is 'the right side' drives people into the arms of organizations like that.

The Euphoric MRA caricature has become almost as bloated and cliched as the the social justice warrior caricature. But that's what they are most of the time. Merely caricatures. I don't think people like to admit that both sides are responsible for poisoning the debate.

If someone does not feel a group of people represents them at all they have a right to think that. The #NotAllMen comes from a place of being misguided rather than malice, i think there is a nugget there that if you don't feel like you want to be tarred with a massive broad brush you don't have to be. It makes many people feel bitter and attacked without reason and drives them towards the hardcore misogyny of the organized MRAs who operate under this guise of "Feminism for men" but are anything but.

We're going to go a little deep here but let me find something i write a while ago:

There needs to be a more safe place for men to talk about well.. maleness. Men have the same problems of identity, conflicting forces and messages but without the support network or wealth of existing ideas to help them make sense of what it means to be a man when their traditional identities and roles are still expected of them but are increasingly looked down on and said to be outdated or even offensive.

There is a bit of a vacuum that disturbing groups like the crop of MRAs can fill. Being a man can feel is shameful, negative and belittling. You are told to be a provider, a leader but those very traits are seen as patronizing and sexist by some. You are told to be sensitive, caring, supportive and domestic but those qualities are seen as weakness, feminine, 'gay' or a symptom of 'nice guy syndrome'. You are seen as either a cave man brute or a simpering pansy.

There is no one there to tell you it's okay to struggle with being a man, only conflicting messages about being a 'real man' or being a 'nice guy' or how you shouldn't be a certain type of 'nice guy'. There are a lot of forces pulling you a lot of different directions. Men feel like gender studies are not for them as they are mainly seen as the preserve of feminism. We need more of a male equivalent of that, not in the sense of activism, but in sense of coming to terms with the meaning of masculinity in the 21st century.

Those with the wish to discuss the issues or challenges of being a man are immediately put off by the massive reaction and push back. It seems many trying to have a sensible discussion about some of these issues in the 21st century decide it is not worth their time. Most normal, moderate people who feel like there is something lacking or don't feel like they have a voice in the debate the represents then stay out of the debate entirely because they know it will just lead to them being branded an MRA 'rape advocate'.

All a lot of people hear is "You are a terrible person" over and over again. We need to be having a much more positive debate and actually engaging people, not facing them with a angry crowd they retreat into their own prejudices from.
 

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Aardvaarkman said:
Machine Man 1992 said:
Men commit suicide at four times the rate as women, can be drafted to go fight and die in some god forsaken country, have their assets seized by their wife during divorce, run through the legal meat grinder of the Family Court, be imprisoned and ostracized by the mere accusation of sexual misconduct, and expected to just lie there and take it. "Man up," is the "stay in the kitchen" of men.
See, that didn't take long, did it? You claim MRAs are thinking reasonably, and then you go off the deep end yourself, within minutes.
I'm drunk, what's your excuse?

It's obvious that you're too blinkered to even see what's right in front of you. I don't know why I even bothered.
 

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Scrumpmonkey said:
I think the parading of the "Men rights" boogeyman to try and shame out of existence anyone who feels repulsed by a specific noxious genre of internet bloggers is getting kind of tired. You can see my comments on the need for more female characters and the problems with the game industry all over the forums right now, hell some people have even accused me of being the dreaded 'social justice warrior' for saying that excluding women from gaming is toxic.

With that in mind let me say this: Much of what is said online by the righteous feeling side is brow-beating horse shit. It gives the disgusting views of many of the hardcore anti-women MRA organizations something to hide behind. The amount of self-satisfied assholes online who think they can act however they want because their side is 'the right side' drives people into the arms of organizations like that.

The Euphoric MRA caricature has become almost as bloated and cliched as the the social justice warrior caricature. But that's what they are most of the time. Merely caricatures. I don't think people like to admit that both sides are responsible for poisoning the debate.

If someone does not feel a group of people represents them at all they have a right to think that. The #NotAllMen comes from a place of being misguided rather than malice, i think there is a nugget there that if you don't feel like you want to be tarred with a massive broad brush you don't have to be. It makes many people feel bitter and attacked without reason and drives them towards the hardcore misogyny of the organized MRAs who operate under this guise of "Feminism for men" but are anything but.

We're going to go a little deep here but let me find something i write a while ago:

There needs to be a more safe place for men to talk about well.. maleness. Men have the same problems of identity, conflicting forces and messages but without the support network or wealth of existing ideas to help them make sense of what it means to be a man when their traditional identities and roles are still expected of them but are increasingly looked down on and said to be outdated or even offensive.

There is a bit of a vacuum that disturbing groups like the crop of MRAs can fill. Being a man can feel is shameful, negative and belittling. You are told to be a provider, a leader but those very traits are seen as patronizing and sexist by some. You are told to be sensitive, caring, supportive and domestic but those qualities are seen as weakness, feminine, 'gay' or a symptom of 'nice guy syndrome'. You are seen as either a cave man brute or a simpering pansy.

There is no one there to tell you it's okay to struggle with being a man, only conflicting messages about being a 'real man' or being a 'nice guy' or how you shouldn't be a certain type of 'nice guy'. There are a lot of forces pulling you a lot of different directions. Men feel like gender studies are not for them as they are mainly seen as the preserve of feminism. We need more of a male equivalent of that, not in the sense of activism, but in sense of coming to terms with the meaning of masculinity in the 21st century.

Those with the wish to discuss the issues or challenges of being a man are immediately put off by the massive reaction and push back. It seems many trying to have a sensible discussion about some of these issues in the 21st century decide it is not worth their time. Most normal, moderate people who feel like there is something lacking or don't feel like they have a voice in the debate the represents then stay out of the debate entirely because they know it will just lead to them being branded an MRA 'rape advocate'.

All a lot of people hear is "You are a terrible person" over and over again. We need to be having a much more positive debate and actually engaging people, not facing them with a angry crowd they retreat into their own prejudices from.
Bravo, good sir. I could not have said that better. =)

I'm not perfect and I don't claim to be that. My trials and tribulations trying to find who I am during high school was not easy. My dad was on the road most of my life and any "pearls of wisdom" were not that brilliant or repeatable on any form of social media. But I'm thankful I was raised by a caring mother and father, despite their flaws, that taught to be a better person. While I can't say I'm always on that path 24/7, I do my best to keep myself in check. It's a shame people like the Santa Barbara killer or those in the MRA never got a proper upbringing.