Married with Children as a Parody of Men's Rights Activists

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Machine Man 1992 said:
RatherDull said:
I really hope Men's Rights Activism and Feminism work together in the end.

Most of the issues that plague men negatively impact women too and vice versa.
This is the point where I ask, how?

Men commit suicide at four times the rate as women, can be drafted to go fight and die in some god forsaken country, have their assets seized by their wife during divorce, run through the legal meat grinder of the Family Court, be imprisoned and ostracized by the mere accusation of sexual misconduct, and expected to just lie there and take it. "Man up," is the "stay in the kitchen" of men.
You've reminded me on what I saw on Youtube, he's a radio talk show host that mainly talks about the black community but primarily absent fathers and single mothers.
He's a bit abrasive and politically incorrect but underneath it he has undeniable points. Which both you and he share.

In this one it's the importance of fathers

 

Machine Man 1992

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RatherDull said:
Machine Man 1992 said:
RatherDull said:
I really hope Men's Rights Activism and Feminism work together in the end.

Most of the issues that plague men negatively impact women too and vice versa.
This is the point where I ask, how?

Men commit suicide at four times the rate as women, can be drafted to go fight and die in some god forsaken country, have their assets seized by their wife during divorce, run through the legal meat grinder of the Family Court, be imprisoned and ostracized by the mere accusation of sexual misconduct, and expected to just lie there and take it. "Man up," is the "stay in the kitchen" of men.
All of these stem from negative stereotypes of women. Like women are too weak to fight, women are less capable of taking care of themselves, women are meant to be caretakers of children and men are meant to be free spirits.

These things you mention are things that feminists fight against. Feminists want equality, not female supremacy or revenge.

This is why we should be working together to solve issues, because we're working towards the same goals.

These things you mention are perfect examples of how sexism doesn't really benefit anyone.
I could gab your ear off for hours about benevolent sexism. Fun fact a recent study (don't quote me on this, this was a while ago and I forgot most of the who's and whats) showed that women support sexism when it benefits them (again, it's been a while). And I don't mean to be a dick here but your post makes me think of how incredibly narcissistic feminism is. Everything is about women, all problems are because women aren't able to X. There are issues that are independent of women, and I'm sorry, there is no one on the planet who can convincingly argue that a woman gaining sole custody and monthly child support is somehow oppressed or discriminated against.
 

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In television, as is most often true in life, everyone is at least partially wrong. Woman-bashing is wrong. Man-bashing is wrong. We must always remember that the most vocal members of any movement are generally representative of the fringe, not the whole. This article makes it sound like there's no such thing as victimized men. I get it, I really do. There are always going to be losers who want their "bone throne," but to dismiss an entire group of people out of hand is never the right choice.

There is a serious problem in the world today where people are treated badly based on their gender. This has been an obvious issue for women for a very long time and was institutionally sanctioned until relatively recently, but that does not mean that men are completely free of discrimination. I have firsthand experience of witnessing a father's rights utterly disregarded because his Y chromosome clearly makes him the lesser parent, despite the fact that he works three jobs to pay all of his bills and child support to his ex, who spends her days living off welfare, smoking pot, and neglecting her children. (She actually told me once that she doesn't believe in vegetables and that her children won't be eating them. It's honestly damn near child abuse.) Don't get me wrong, the father isn't a saint, but I've seen the lengths to which he's willing to go to care for his children and it's disgusting to me that the court has no problem with his ex refusing to let him see his children.

I respect your right to your own opinion, Bob, and I recognize the overwhelming presence of misogyny in our society, particularly on the internet, but I beg you to not make sweeping statements that belittle any group of people, regardless of the mistakes of some people who self-identify with said group.

On a lighter note, "candied nihilism" may be the best phrase I've heard in a long time. Just brilliant.
 

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Not sure I buy this one. Sorry, Bob.

RatherDull said:
I really hope Men's Rights Activism and Feminism work together in the end.

Most of the issues that plague men negatively impact women too and vice versa.
They should totally get married!

Yeah, not gonna bother getting involved in this rather heated debate in this thread. Needless to say, everyone has points, but they refuse to realize where they actually agree and focus on semantics rather than what they agree on.
 

Machine Man 1992

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RatherDull said:
Machine Man 1992 said:
RatherDull said:
Machine Man 1992 said:
RatherDull said:
I really hope Men's Rights Activism and Feminism work together in the end.

Most of the issues that plague men negatively impact women too and vice versa.
This is the point where I ask, how?

Men commit suicide at four times the rate as women, can be drafted to go fight and die in some god forsaken country, have their assets seized by their wife during divorce, run through the legal meat grinder of the Family Court, be imprisoned and ostracized by the mere accusation of sexual misconduct, and expected to just lie there and take it. "Man up," is the "stay in the kitchen" of men.
All of these stem from negative stereotypes of women. Like women are too weak to fight, women are less capable of taking care of themselves, women are meant to be caretakers of children and men are meant to be free spirits.

These things you mention are things that feminists fight against. Feminists want equality, not female supremacy or revenge.

This is why we should be working together to solve issues, because we're working towards the same goals.

These things you mention are perfect examples of how sexism doesn't really benefit anyone.
I could gab your ear off for hours about benevolent sexism. Fun fact a recent study (don't quote me on this, this was a while ago and I forgot most of the who's and whats) showed that women support sexism when it benefits them (again, it's been a while). And I don't mean to be a dick here but your post makes me think of how incredibly narcissistic feminism is. Everything is about women, all problems are because women aren't able to X. There are issues that are independent of women, and I'm sorry, there is no one on the planet who can convincingly argue that a woman gaining sole custody and monthly child support is somehow oppressed or discriminated against.
You asked how problems that plague men are also problems for women. And I answered.

Though, I firmly believe that if a societal problem exists exclusively for men then it has something to do with the relationship between men and women. After all, if a problem exists for males, it begs the question of why it doesn't exist for females.
Because men and women are different. I know it's not politically correct to say, but it's true. Men and women have fundamental differences in body and mind. What affects one doesn't always affect the other. I would spend the rest of this post ranting about how feminism has morphed from a Women's Lib movement into a government backed hate group, but my supply of fucks to give has run out today. So yeah; good talk, glad we had it.
 

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Lacey said:
Andrew Siribohdi said:
I don't think the NO MA'AM movement was ever meant to be taken seriously.
...Which makes it different from the MRM... how?

No, I'm being mean. Why, just look at all these battered men's shelters set up by Men's Rights Activists!

*looks around*

Oh. Well I guess they're still in the planning stages. But boy howdy, those MRAs sure are experts at raiding comments sections.
It's because they can't get funding for them. Want proof? Look at Earl Silverman; got a battered men's shelter opened, ran it out of pocket, and felt into suicidal despair when he could keep it going.

Are you seriously going to look at a man who killed himself when he couldn't fulfill his life's dream of helping men who left abusive wives, and mock him like all the feminists did?
 

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Dear me this went to bile fast. In any case, I'm gonna second (or 4-th... whatever) scrumpmonkeys message.

Scrumpmonkey said:
There needs to be a more safe place for men to talk about well.. maleness. Men have the same problems of identity, conflicting forces and messages but without the support network or wealth of existing ideas to help them make sense of what it means to be a man when their traditional identities and roles are still expected of them but are increasingly looked down on and said to be outdated or even offensive.

There is a bit of a vacuum that disturbing groups like the crop of MRAs can fill. Being a man can feel is shameful, negative and belittling. You are told to be a provider, a leader but those very traits are seen as patronizing and sexist by some. You are told to be sensitive, caring, supportive and domestic but those qualities are seen as weakness, feminine, 'gay' or a symptom of 'nice guy syndrome'. You are seen as either a cave man brute or a simpering pansy.

There is no one there to tell you it's okay to struggle with being a man, only conflicting messages about being a 'real man' or being a 'nice guy' or how you shouldn't be a certain type of 'nice guy'. There are a lot of forces pulling you a lot of different directions. Men feel like gender studies are not for them as they are mainly seen as the preserve of feminism. We need more of a male equivalent of that, not in the sense of activism, but in sense of coming to terms with the meaning of masculinity in the 21st century.

Those with the wish to discuss the issues or challenges of being a man are immediately put off by the massive reaction and push back. It seems many trying to have a sensible discussion about some of these issues in the 21st century decide it is not worth their time. Most normal, moderate people who feel like there is something lacking or don't feel like they have a voice in the debate the represents then stay out of the debate entirely because they know it will just lead to them being branded an MRA 'rape advocate'.

All a lot of people hear is "You are a terrible person" over and over again. We need to be having a much more positive debate and actually engaging people, not facing them with a angry crowd they retreat into their own prejudices from.
And add a bit of my own. There are some sites that arent vitriolic and that are trying to have an honest discussion about maleness (that has nothing to do with women). I believe there is too much focus on a "men vs. women" dynamic, and these sites attempt to take a more internalized approach.

http://www.artofmanliness.com/
Cheesy name, but generally good site. There's currently a (very) long series of articles that tries to make some sense of the history of the notion of manliness, how it came to be, and what us (as men) can do to maintain ourselves in a constructive way.

http://goodmenproject.com/

Also a good site. However, they do accept a lot of articles, so contradictory viewpoints pop up occasionally.

In any case, I've tried to make my own constructive contribution to the discussion. I know some folks might object to the content of the sites, but they are at least trying to make us (as men) look into ourselves. It's useful to know what ills ail us, but it's better to try to work to solve them.

Well, here's to hoping I wont cause more FLAMES TO RISE! :i
 

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Aardvaarkman said:
recommended "intelligent" critics of Anita Sarkeesian, which upon viewing/reading turned out to be just as stupid as the others, just without the rape and death threats.

I have seen enough boards full of insane, embittered misogyny to know that "the crazies" aren't exactly a small minority in this movement.
Can you cite just one credible threat to Anita? If you claim it, you must name it. Or Anita should.

While you're at it, look up Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Since you probably consider how woman are represented in fiction to be an issue of great importance(something shared with Anita), you've probably got enough time on your hands to look her up.
 

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V4Viewtiful said:
In conclusion women suck and don't do enough of it ;)
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...-_-....really?
Machine Man 1992 said:
can be drafted to go fight and die in some god forsaken country,
this hasn't fucking happned since what...Nam?

aside from that I could also rattle off a list of bad things that happen to women..but you know what? that would be pointless...because comparing "bad things that happen" to any one group is pointless